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Republicans to Officially Present Alternative to Obamacare
Townhall.com ^ | March 17, 2014 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 03/17/2014 4:56:50 AM PDT by Kaslin

Republicans have voted more than 50 times to repeal or alter Obamacare as the popularity of the legislation continues to be nearly non-existent. In the process, Republicans have been criticized for failing to present an alternative piece of legislation to replace Obamacare. More than a dozen alternative plans have been crafted on the Hill, but Republicans haven't been able to rally around a single plan. Now, that's changing as Republican prepare to present Americans with an official alternative to the Affordable Care Act:

The plan includes an expansion of high-risk insurance pools, promotion of health savings accounts and inducements for small businesses to purchase coverage together. The tenets of the plan — which could expand to include the ability to buy insurance across state lines, guaranteed renewability of policies and changes to medical-malpractice regulations — are ideas that various conservatives have for a long time backed as part of broader bills.

But this is the first time this year that House leaders will put their full force behind a single set of principles from those bills and present it as their vision. This month, House leaders will begin to share a memo with lawmakers outlining the plan, called “A Stronger Health Care System: The GOP Plan for Freedom, Flexibility, & Peace of Mind,” with suggestions on how Republicans should talk about it to their constituents.


The timing for this legislation is great for Republicans who just came off of a special election win in Florida where Democrat Alex Sink lost by running on a fix, don't repeal platform. Not only can Republicans running for election in the fall run against Obamacare, a law that will only continue to make the lives of Americans worse and more expensive, they can run on a new alternative.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 0bamacare; alternative; demonratscare; gop4romneycare; hillarycare; isnotramneycare; isnotromneycare; lieberalscare; price; romneycare; romneycare4ever; romneycare4u; unafforable0bamacare
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1 posted on 03/17/2014 4:56:51 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

No.

No.

No.

Repeal it.

Period.


2 posted on 03/17/2014 5:00:40 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi

3 posted on 03/17/2014 5:03:31 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Kaslin

Sounds good. Another thing they should be considering is offering a solution to help those people who have already suffered the terrible consequences of “Obamacare” in the form of lost insurance, lost benefits, etc. It will take a while for the reforms they are suggesting to enter into effect, and in the meantime, there are people who need to have this thing fixed right away.

I wonder if it would be possible to repeal it and restore the policies that people had had the year prior to Barry’s destruction of the US medical system. I suspect this would probably require some kind of payment to the insurance companies, unfortunately, but it might be necessary just to give the system a stable jumping-off point for the changes the GOP is suggesting.


4 posted on 03/17/2014 5:05:42 AM PDT by livius
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To: shibumi

Yes, the alternative to zer0 care is LET THE AMERICAN BUSINESS MODEL TAKE CARE OF IT.

“The Business of America is Business”
Calvin Coolidge


5 posted on 03/17/2014 5:07:59 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: shibumi

They want to repeal it. But what’s going to happen then?

The old system, in both what was good and what was bad about it, no longer exists.

So what now? Just tell the people who have been devastated by Obamacare that it’s their tough luck?


6 posted on 03/17/2014 5:09:50 AM PDT by livius
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To: shibumi
Repeal it. Period

And make mandates of any kind illegal.

7 posted on 03/17/2014 5:10:03 AM PDT by grania
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To: Kaslin

Here’s my solution. Make it voluntary. Sounds too simple doesn’t it.


8 posted on 03/17/2014 5:12:06 AM PDT by McGruff (They say the first casualty of war is truth)
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To: livius

Electing Liberals (from either party) has consequences.

Some of those are devastating.

The longer we wait the more painful the recovery will be.

(We could always try blaming the people who did this for a change.)


9 posted on 03/17/2014 5:13:14 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: McGruff

It should have been voluntary from the beginning and never shoved down our throats


10 posted on 03/17/2014 5:15:23 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: livius
“So what now?”

Return to the days when I was growing up when there was no such thing as health insurance.

Medical care was reasonable and good.

Pay your own way in this world or croak!

11 posted on 03/17/2014 5:16:17 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Kaslin
The main problem with obungacare is that it doesn't fix anything, it's just a spectacularly ill-conceived redistrobution scheme.

The country does need medical reform, but not Obungacare.

The size of obungacare indicates to me that it is about power and not about health care. Likewise Mark Steyn notes that the job of director or head of public health has become the biggest govt. job in European countries which have public health care i.e. it would be a step upwards from PM or President or King or Grand Duke or anything else to head of health care. In other words, European health care is ultimate bureaucracy. If I had the power to I would institute a sort of a basic health care reform which would be overwhelmingly simple and which would resemble the thing we're reading about in no way, shape, or manner. Key points would be:

1. Elimination of lawsuits against doctors and other medical providers. There would be a general fund to compensate victims of malpractice for actual damage and a non-inbred system for weeding out those guilty of malpractice. The non-inbred system would be a tribunal composed not just of oher doctors, but of plumbers, electricians, engineers, and everybody else as well.

2. Elimination of the artificial exclusivity of the medical system. In other words our medical schools could easily produce two or three times the number of doctors they do with no noticeable drop off in quality.

3. Elimination of the factors which drive the cost of medicines towards unaffordability. That would include both lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies and government agencies which force costs into the billions to develop any new drug. There should be no suing a pharmaceutical for any drug which has passed FDA approval and somewhere between thalidamide and what we have now, there should be a happy medium.

4. Elimination of the outmoded WW-II notion of triage in favor of a system which took some rational account of who pays for the system and who doesn't. The horror stories I keep reading about the middle-class guy with an injured child having to fill out forms for three hours while an endless procession of illegal immigrants just walks in and are seen, would end, as would any possibility of that child waiting three hours for treatment while people were being seen for heroin overdoses or other lifestyle issues.

All of those things would fall under the heading of what TR called "trust busting". There would also be some system for caring the truly indigent, but the need and cost would be far less than at present.

By far the biggest item is that first one. I don't know the exact numbers but if you add every cost involved in our present out-of-control lawyering, it has to be a major fraction if not more than half of our medical costs. The trial lawyers' guild being one of the two major pillars of financial support for the democrat party is the basic reason nobody is saying anything about that part of the problem.

Other than that, you almost have to have seen some of the problems close up to have any sort of a feel for them.

Item 2, this is what I saw in grad school some time ago, although I do not have any reason to think much has changed. In the school I attended, there appeared to be sixty or seventy first year med students walking around and all but one or two of them would have made perfectly good doctors, they were all very bright and highly motivated. The only way the school should have lost any of those kids was either they discovered they couldn't deal with the sight of blood in real life or six months later they changed their minds and went off to Hollywood to become actors or actresses; the school should never have lost more than ten percent of them. But they knew from day one that they were keeping 35% of that class.

That system says that you know several things about the guy working on your body: You know he's a survivor, and that's highly unlikely to be from being better qualified than 65% of the other students; You know he hasn't had enough sleep (he's doing his work and the work of that missing 65%); You know he's probably doing some sort of drugs to deal with the lack of sleep... One of my first steps as "health Tsar" or whatever would be to tell the medical schools that henceforth if they ever drop more than15% of an incoming class, they'll lose their accreditation.

Item 3. My father walks into a pharmacy in Switzerland with a bottle of pills he normally pays $50 for in Fla. and asks the pharmacist if he can fill it. "Why certainly sir!", fills the bottle of pills and says "That will be $3.50." Seeing that my father was standing there in a state of shock, the man says "Gee, I'm sorry, Mr. V., you see, we have socialized medicine in Switzerland and if you were a Swiss citizen and paid into the systemn, why I could sell you this bottle of pills for $1.50 but, since you're foreign and do not pay into the system I have to charge you the full price, certainly you can appreciate that."

The guy thought my father was in shock because he was charging him too MUCH... Clearly whatever needs to be done with drugs amounts to trust busting, and not extracting more money from the American people.

Item 4. A caller to the Chris Plant show (D.C./WMAL) the other morning, an ER nurse, noted that much of the costs which her hospital had to absorb, as do most hospitals, was the problem of people with no resources using the ER as their first and only point of contact to the medical profession. She said that there were gang members who were constantly coming in for repairs from bullet holes and knife damage and drug problems, that they could not legally turn any of those people away, and that there was zero possibility of ever collecting any money from any of them, and that the costs of that were gigantic.

Clearly throwing money at that problems is not going to help anything either. Again if I'm the "Medicine Tsar", those guys would be cared for, but not at the ER or at least not the part of the ER where normal people go, and they would not be first in line. Mostly they'd be dealing with medical students who needed the practice patching up knife and bullet damage.

12 posted on 03/17/2014 5:20:07 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Kaslin

Their version raises my taxes so no thank you.


13 posted on 03/17/2014 5:24:08 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: varmintman
Clearly throwing money at that problems is not going to help anything either

As they found out in the randomized study in Oregon. Obamacare caused a 40% increase in ER visits.

14 posted on 03/17/2014 5:25:38 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane; Kaslin

There are problems in life which are actually made worwe by throwing money at them...


15 posted on 03/17/2014 5:30:00 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: shibumi
Did you miss this?

Republicans have voted more than 50 times to repeal or alter Obamacare as the popularity of the legislation continues to be nearly non-existent.

The reason why it has not been repealed is because it is held in the Senate by Harry Reid and the other rats. So stop complaining that the Republicans are not doing anything. Instead make sure that we will take the Senate back and increase our seats in November. If you don't care then I know where you stand

16 posted on 03/17/2014 5:30:59 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: varmintman
By far the biggest item is that first one. I don't know the exact numbers but if you add every cost involved in our present out-of-control lawyering, it has to be a major fraction if not more than half of our medical costs.

You would be wrong in that. We have a $2.2 trillion health care industry in this country. And on an average year malpractice costs nationwide run about $7 billion, or one third of one percent. Something like half the states in the country enacted tort reform that caps malpractice awards, and there is zero evidence that it has led to lower healthcare rates in any of them.

17 posted on 03/17/2014 5:32:14 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Kaslin

The Healthcare system we had before Barry and his socialist gang forced 0bamascare on us worked pretty well. Why can’t we repeal 0bamacare, impeach and incarcerate Barry and his traitors, and go back to what we had?


18 posted on 03/17/2014 5:34:24 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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To: Kaslin
"The reason why it has not been repealed is because it is held in the Senate by Harry Reid and the other rats."

The power of a de facto repeal has always been within the ability of the Republican controlled House. All they had to do was to not fund it.

The rest of your comment is not germane to anything I said here.

19 posted on 03/17/2014 5:38:42 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: DoodleDawg

The costs of lawyering have to include the massive insurance policies which doctors have to have, and needless CYA tests which are now being required prior to operations, and numerous similar things. It’s very hard to get an absolute handle on.


20 posted on 03/17/2014 5:41:14 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman
The costs of lawyering have to include the massive insurance policies which doctors have to have, and needless CYA tests which are now being required prior to operations, and numerous similar things. It’s very hard to get an absolute handle on.

Shouldn't tort reform have lessened that risk? Eliminate the risk of a multi-million dollar payout from a malpractice suit then you greatly reduce the need for CYA medicine. So states like Texas should have fewer unnecessary tests and, consequently, lower insurance premiums. They do have lower malpractice insurance costs but healthcare rates have increased at the same rate as other states.

21 posted on 03/17/2014 5:47:08 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: shibumi

The problem is Mr. Romney and his RomneyCARE.

Romney and Rove and GOP will impose it, have imposed it,
will continue to impose BY WHATEVER NAME.

GOP = Give Obama Power


22 posted on 03/17/2014 5:48:34 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis

Your cartoon in Post #3 is spot on.


23 posted on 03/17/2014 5:50:22 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: DoodleDawg

The kind of tort reform i’m advocating is much more radical than anything going on in Texas. Read that first section of my original post here again.


24 posted on 03/17/2014 5:52:36 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman
Clearly whatever needs to be done with drugs amounts to trust busting, and not extracting more money from the American people.

I don't deny that we might often pay more for pharmaceutical products in the US than other countries do. There are several reasons for that, but primarily, it's the country of region that sets the price. Pharmaceutical companies are ham-strung because they would like to sell their product for a reasonable price, but have to do so with many constraints. Pharma companies are usually left with one of two options: they can sell their products at a greatly-reduced price, or they can not sell their product at all.

If we could incent other countries to spend a little more on life-saving medicines, we might not have to spend so much here.

25 posted on 03/17/2014 5:59:02 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Kaslin
#1 - Repeal Obamacare in its entirety, period.

#2 - Promote competition, enable health care insurance companies to sell policies across state lines, just like car insurance.

#3 - STOP! Do nothing more, and get the hell out of the way of the American people and American Business'. They'll find the solution which will be MARKET BASED, driving down costs through competition.

It is a FACT that when businesses compete for customers, American's win.

26 posted on 03/17/2014 6:00:48 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: ladyjane

Color me sad for those ‘progressives’ or whatever name they hijack to camoflage their true, evil intent.

If their hospitals shut down, too bad. Should have voted against obama-don’t-care.

And I hope they think about that when they are driving all over Oregon to find a hospital that has the resources to sew up a cut hand, treat a raging fever or admit their sick kid.

Votes have consequences.


27 posted on 03/17/2014 6:03:19 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: usconservative

What you said.


28 posted on 03/17/2014 6:04:12 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

The Healthcare system we had before Barry and his socialist gang forced 0bamascare on us worked pretty well.”

Our healthcare system has not worked well since the inception of HIPAA regulations many administrations ago. There is a major change coming up this fall in the form of standardization of diagnosis codes. Already been postponed several times because Medicare systems, which are controlled by the Federal government and with which all must comply, weren’t ready. IMO once this piece is in place with the accompanying mandated electronic reporting and compliance our healthcare will be toast and more doctors will bail.

Bottom line - if your diagnosis is X, other factors are Y and Z, your age is A, your treatment will be approved and paid by an insurance carrier or denied. It is all going to be pre-determined.


29 posted on 03/17/2014 6:05:29 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Kaslin
Open insurance markets, recycle drugs and medical devices, open medical savings accounts, let rich socialist contribute to health centers for the poor and get a tax write off, create incentives for young people to work in hospitals, health centers and retirement homes. Get government OUT of health insurance.
30 posted on 03/17/2014 6:13:02 AM PDT by jetson
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To: varmintman
The kind of tort reform i’m advocating is much more radical than anything going on in Texas.

And collides head on with the 7th Amendment.

31 posted on 03/17/2014 6:18:54 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Kaslin

Repeal Obamacare in it’s entirety

Then replace it with:

1 - A ban on all medical insurance - This will insert the free market back into pricing and will dramatically lower all medical costs.

2 - Pass a law stating that emergency rooms do not have to take people who can’t pay. - This will stop the abuse of emergency rooms, and will also drive down costs for those who actually are paying.

3 - Tort reform, limit liability claims on doctors - This will also help drive down costs to patients

4 - eliminate ALL liability on drug companies for drugs approved as safe by the FDA (should have always been the case)

5 - Give a one time payout equal to everything anyone ever paid into Medicare + interest and end the system.

6 - Reduce Medicaid down to only those in urgent need who are in desperate poverty.

THAT is how you fix this mess!


32 posted on 03/17/2014 6:19:00 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Kaslin

An alternate government healthcare system is not what we want; it’s what we want to kill.

Obamacare needs to be repealed with no government system in its place.

We had a working private system. Adding an alternate government system will be the same as keeping Obamacare. It will become a bloated bureaucracy with thousand of government union workers and the ability to tax and spend without limits. It’s primary mission will be self perpetuation and anything even remotely resembling healthcare will be incidental for appearances.


33 posted on 03/17/2014 6:32:51 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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To: shibumi

Parts of it will never be repealed. The “keep your kid covered till age 26” proviso, the ban on barring pre-existing conditions, all play too well with low-info voters. They will squeal like stuck pigs if you try to yank those away from them.

In reality we could have just bought every uninsured a policy for a small fraction of what this debacle has cost.


34 posted on 03/17/2014 6:37:05 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Lou L
Pharma companies are usually left with one of two options: they can sell their products at a greatly-reduced price, or they can not sell their product at all.

The second option also includes the fact that the governments of those price-fixing countries will also encourage and support counterfeit production of the pharma's products which erode the pharma's legitimate market share in neighboring markets. So it actually goes MUCH further than just "don't sell the product there at all".

35 posted on 03/17/2014 6:43:53 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: VRWCmember
You are absolutely correct, VRW. In some cases, if pharmas don't sell in a country, crude generics will find their place within the market. You see this a lot in places like India and China.
36 posted on 03/17/2014 6:48:08 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: shibumi

Thank you, I agree totally.

The problem is these idiots only see the money this can generate for the ‘government’ and just can’t pass it up.

JB


37 posted on 03/17/2014 6:49:19 AM PDT by thatjoeguy (Every law passed is one person forcing their morals on someone else.)
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To: VRWCmember
or they can not sell their product at all.

In some European countries where this was tried, the government just turned their patents over to someone who was willing to produce the drug. I believe the French did this initially with the morning-after pill.

The real impact will be the shutting down of R&D and an end to the development of new drugs.


38 posted on 03/17/2014 6:53:46 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: shibumi
The power of a de facto repeal has always been within the ability of the Republican controlled House. All they had to do was to not fund it.

Isn't this kinda like issuing Executive Orders to circumvent the laws? Couldn't the House use this to defund anything they disagreed with?

39 posted on 03/17/2014 7:13:13 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Starstruck

the president refused to sign anything that didn’t include funding for everything. The government shut down, the republicans caved.

We went that route.


40 posted on 03/17/2014 7:31:29 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Kaslin
“A Stronger Health Care System: The GOP Plan for Freedom, Flexibility, & Peace of Mind,”

O...M...G... who in the khell came up with that?...

41 posted on 03/17/2014 7:32:33 AM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: Kaslin

Return to the pre-Obama programs. Re-write the Medicaid law to take care of pre-existing exclusions from private insurance carriers and allow insurance companies to operate across state borders.


42 posted on 03/17/2014 7:36:39 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Starstruck

Yes.

That’s the way the Founders set it up.

That’s the ultimate Constitutional fix.


43 posted on 03/17/2014 8:08:53 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Kaslin

I hope its not that BS plan Orrin Hatch came up with. Its worse than Obamacare.


44 posted on 03/17/2014 8:35:18 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: usconservative

I like your starting steps, but a couple more measures would put more power in the hands of individuals.

Individually tax deductible insurance premiums.
Pre-tax contributions to personal and family HSAs.
Tort reform.


45 posted on 03/17/2014 8:41:27 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
2 - Pass a law stating that emergency rooms do not have to take people who can’t pay.

I would be careful with this. You never know what is going to happen. You might be one time in a situation where you have to go to the emergency room and can not pay.

With people like you it's no wonder the left hates us.

Shame on you

46 posted on 03/17/2014 8:52:14 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

anyone who advocates that hospitals must provide their services even to those who can not pay is advocating slavery.

would you also require restraunts to serve for free the hungry?

or that hotels or landlords provide free housing for those with no home who can’t pay?

I mean.. why stop with just medical care!

/s


47 posted on 03/17/2014 8:55:09 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Kaslin
The timing for this legislation is great for Republicans who just came off of a special election win in Florida where Democrat Alex Sink lost by running on a fix, don't repeal platform.

By presenting a 'fix, don't repeal' program.

Republicans. Never. Learn.

48 posted on 03/17/2014 8:59:04 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Kaslin

Who cares why liberals hate us. I’m sure they don’t care why I hate them.

No business shoud be required to accept someone who can’t pay.

Shame on you for believing they should.


49 posted on 03/17/2014 8:59:46 AM PDT by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Unfortunately, most of the republican ‘alternatives’ also kept the ‘pre-existing conditions’ clause as well.

Most GOPe want pre-paid medicine with first dollar coverage, not real health insruance.

50 posted on 03/17/2014 9:24:31 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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