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1 posted on 03/17/2014 4:56:51 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

No.

No.

No.

Repeal it.

Period.


2 posted on 03/17/2014 5:00:40 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Kaslin

Sounds good. Another thing they should be considering is offering a solution to help those people who have already suffered the terrible consequences of “Obamacare” in the form of lost insurance, lost benefits, etc. It will take a while for the reforms they are suggesting to enter into effect, and in the meantime, there are people who need to have this thing fixed right away.

I wonder if it would be possible to repeal it and restore the policies that people had had the year prior to Barry’s destruction of the US medical system. I suspect this would probably require some kind of payment to the insurance companies, unfortunately, but it might be necessary just to give the system a stable jumping-off point for the changes the GOP is suggesting.


4 posted on 03/17/2014 5:05:42 AM PDT by livius
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To: Kaslin

Here’s my solution. Make it voluntary. Sounds too simple doesn’t it.


8 posted on 03/17/2014 5:12:06 AM PDT by McGruff (They say the first casualty of war is truth)
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To: Kaslin
The main problem with obungacare is that it doesn't fix anything, it's just a spectacularly ill-conceived redistrobution scheme.

The country does need medical reform, but not Obungacare.

The size of obungacare indicates to me that it is about power and not about health care. Likewise Mark Steyn notes that the job of director or head of public health has become the biggest govt. job in European countries which have public health care i.e. it would be a step upwards from PM or President or King or Grand Duke or anything else to head of health care. In other words, European health care is ultimate bureaucracy. If I had the power to I would institute a sort of a basic health care reform which would be overwhelmingly simple and which would resemble the thing we're reading about in no way, shape, or manner. Key points would be:

1. Elimination of lawsuits against doctors and other medical providers. There would be a general fund to compensate victims of malpractice for actual damage and a non-inbred system for weeding out those guilty of malpractice. The non-inbred system would be a tribunal composed not just of oher doctors, but of plumbers, electricians, engineers, and everybody else as well.

2. Elimination of the artificial exclusivity of the medical system. In other words our medical schools could easily produce two or three times the number of doctors they do with no noticeable drop off in quality.

3. Elimination of the factors which drive the cost of medicines towards unaffordability. That would include both lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies and government agencies which force costs into the billions to develop any new drug. There should be no suing a pharmaceutical for any drug which has passed FDA approval and somewhere between thalidamide and what we have now, there should be a happy medium.

4. Elimination of the outmoded WW-II notion of triage in favor of a system which took some rational account of who pays for the system and who doesn't. The horror stories I keep reading about the middle-class guy with an injured child having to fill out forms for three hours while an endless procession of illegal immigrants just walks in and are seen, would end, as would any possibility of that child waiting three hours for treatment while people were being seen for heroin overdoses or other lifestyle issues.

All of those things would fall under the heading of what TR called "trust busting". There would also be some system for caring the truly indigent, but the need and cost would be far less than at present.

By far the biggest item is that first one. I don't know the exact numbers but if you add every cost involved in our present out-of-control lawyering, it has to be a major fraction if not more than half of our medical costs. The trial lawyers' guild being one of the two major pillars of financial support for the democrat party is the basic reason nobody is saying anything about that part of the problem.

Other than that, you almost have to have seen some of the problems close up to have any sort of a feel for them.

Item 2, this is what I saw in grad school some time ago, although I do not have any reason to think much has changed. In the school I attended, there appeared to be sixty or seventy first year med students walking around and all but one or two of them would have made perfectly good doctors, they were all very bright and highly motivated. The only way the school should have lost any of those kids was either they discovered they couldn't deal with the sight of blood in real life or six months later they changed their minds and went off to Hollywood to become actors or actresses; the school should never have lost more than ten percent of them. But they knew from day one that they were keeping 35% of that class.

That system says that you know several things about the guy working on your body: You know he's a survivor, and that's highly unlikely to be from being better qualified than 65% of the other students; You know he hasn't had enough sleep (he's doing his work and the work of that missing 65%); You know he's probably doing some sort of drugs to deal with the lack of sleep... One of my first steps as "health Tsar" or whatever would be to tell the medical schools that henceforth if they ever drop more than15% of an incoming class, they'll lose their accreditation.

Item 3. My father walks into a pharmacy in Switzerland with a bottle of pills he normally pays $50 for in Fla. and asks the pharmacist if he can fill it. "Why certainly sir!", fills the bottle of pills and says "That will be $3.50." Seeing that my father was standing there in a state of shock, the man says "Gee, I'm sorry, Mr. V., you see, we have socialized medicine in Switzerland and if you were a Swiss citizen and paid into the systemn, why I could sell you this bottle of pills for $1.50 but, since you're foreign and do not pay into the system I have to charge you the full price, certainly you can appreciate that."

The guy thought my father was in shock because he was charging him too MUCH... Clearly whatever needs to be done with drugs amounts to trust busting, and not extracting more money from the American people.

Item 4. A caller to the Chris Plant show (D.C./WMAL) the other morning, an ER nurse, noted that much of the costs which her hospital had to absorb, as do most hospitals, was the problem of people with no resources using the ER as their first and only point of contact to the medical profession. She said that there were gang members who were constantly coming in for repairs from bullet holes and knife damage and drug problems, that they could not legally turn any of those people away, and that there was zero possibility of ever collecting any money from any of them, and that the costs of that were gigantic.

Clearly throwing money at that problems is not going to help anything either. Again if I'm the "Medicine Tsar", those guys would be cared for, but not at the ER or at least not the part of the ER where normal people go, and they would not be first in line. Mostly they'd be dealing with medical students who needed the practice patching up knife and bullet damage.

12 posted on 03/17/2014 5:20:07 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Kaslin

Their version raises my taxes so no thank you.


13 posted on 03/17/2014 5:24:08 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Kaslin

The Healthcare system we had before Barry and his socialist gang forced 0bamascare on us worked pretty well. Why can’t we repeal 0bamacare, impeach and incarcerate Barry and his traitors, and go back to what we had?


18 posted on 03/17/2014 5:34:24 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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To: Kaslin
#1 - Repeal Obamacare in its entirety, period.

#2 - Promote competition, enable health care insurance companies to sell policies across state lines, just like car insurance.

#3 - STOP! Do nothing more, and get the hell out of the way of the American people and American Business'. They'll find the solution which will be MARKET BASED, driving down costs through competition.

It is a FACT that when businesses compete for customers, American's win.

26 posted on 03/17/2014 6:00:48 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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Open insurance markets, recycle drugs and medical devices, open medical savings accounts, let rich socialist contribute to health centers for the poor and get a tax write off, create incentives for young people to work in hospitals, health centers and retirement homes. Get government OUT of health insurance.
30 posted on 03/17/2014 6:13:02 AM PDT by jetson
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Repeal Obamacare in it’s entirety

Then replace it with:

1 - A ban on all medical insurance - This will insert the free market back into pricing and will dramatically lower all medical costs.

2 - Pass a law stating that emergency rooms do not have to take people who can’t pay. - This will stop the abuse of emergency rooms, and will also drive down costs for those who actually are paying.

3 - Tort reform, limit liability claims on doctors - This will also help drive down costs to patients

4 - eliminate ALL liability on drug companies for drugs approved as safe by the FDA (should have always been the case)

5 - Give a one time payout equal to everything anyone ever paid into Medicare + interest and end the system.

6 - Reduce Medicaid down to only those in urgent need who are in desperate poverty.

THAT is how you fix this mess!


32 posted on 03/17/2014 6:19:00 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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An alternate government healthcare system is not what we want; it’s what we want to kill.

Obamacare needs to be repealed with no government system in its place.

We had a working private system. Adding an alternate government system will be the same as keeping Obamacare. It will become a bloated bureaucracy with thousand of government union workers and the ability to tax and spend without limits. It’s primary mission will be self perpetuation and anything even remotely resembling healthcare will be incidental for appearances.


33 posted on 03/17/2014 6:32:51 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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“A Stronger Health Care System: The GOP Plan for Freedom, Flexibility, & Peace of Mind,”

O...M...G... who in the khell came up with that?...

41 posted on 03/17/2014 7:32:33 AM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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Return to the pre-Obama programs. Re-write the Medicaid law to take care of pre-existing exclusions from private insurance carriers and allow insurance companies to operate across state borders.


42 posted on 03/17/2014 7:36:39 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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I hope its not that BS plan Orrin Hatch came up with. Its worse than Obamacare.


44 posted on 03/17/2014 8:35:18 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Kaslin
The timing for this legislation is great for Republicans who just came off of a special election win in Florida where Democrat Alex Sink lost by running on a fix, don't repeal platform.

By presenting a 'fix, don't repeal' program.

Republicans. Never. Learn.

48 posted on 03/17/2014 8:59:04 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Kaslin

“Let the bidding begin!”

The media will portray this debate as “Who is promising to give you the most money?”

There goes any anti-Obamacare advantage we had.


51 posted on 03/17/2014 9:33:12 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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