Skip to comments.Moscow Signals It Will Annex Crimea Quickly
Posted on 03/17/2014 5:11:57 AM PDT by goldstategop
Russia gave its clearest signal yet Monday that it plans to move fast to annex Crimea, defying U.S. and European threats of sanctions a day after a referendum in the breakaway Ukrainian region to secede passed handily.
The Moscow-backed leadership of Crimea wasted no time in formally asking to join Russia following the hastily called referendum in which 97% of voters supported becoming part of Russia.
"We will take care of our part quickly, quickly and responsibly," Sergei Naryshkin, speaker of the lower house of Russia's parliament, told reporters in response to the Crimean parliamentary vote, according to local news agencies.
Mr. Naryshkin's comments came shortly after officials announced that Russian President Vladimir Putin will address a joint session of parliament Tuesday on the issue.
The Kremlin didn't immediately specify what Mr. Putin's message would be, but the official ITAR-Tass news agency said the address would cover "accepting Crimea into the Russian Federation."
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Germany is already backtracking on Crimea.
NO...Moscow gave its clearest signal of its intentions with respect to the Crimea the day it move troops into the Crimea. From that day forward this outcome was inevitable.
We wake up and it’s 1983 again. But then we realize we have no Reagan as President. Scary.
Isn’t today Kerry’s deadline for them to get out?
Would this in any way be analogous to the United States annexing, say, Baja California, thus removing it from Mexican jurisdiction?
Warm water ports, jutting out on a peninsula....
Crimea is none of our business. Quite frankly, that is the Russians’ own affair.
And presuming no war is in the offing, I think it’ll be all forgotten within six months.
That's irrelevant! [/sarc]
“And presuming no war is in the offing, I think itll be all forgotten within six months.”
Or it’s just the start of much more.
What is Lurch going to do? Order them to get out?
I’m dying of laughter. Once the Russians take over a place, they stay for good. Crimea is now a Russian possession.
Yup, all under Obama’s watchful eye, at the 9th hole.
Maybe a better analogy would be the people in the Panama Canal Zone asking to be taken back by the United States after Jimmy Carter gave it away. (Unfortunately, the Chinese have already taken it over).
Wednesday, March 18th, Putin will announce to his Parliament that the people of Crimea, under duress and after being abused by the rest of Ukraine invited Russia to help, and then voted to become a part of Russia and that it is imperative for the Russian assembly to vote equally unanimously to annex Crimea according to their wishes. Then a vote will follow that does exactly that.
It will not matter to Putin or those Russian elected officials what Barack Obama or John Kerry say about it or drone on regarding it. Those two have done NOTHING to stop or deter a man like Putin. He understands one thing...force.
The only question now is whether the will be satisfied with just the one Province of the Ukraine.
Potential things the US could have done (or still could do):
1. Immediately begin sending C-17s into Kiev with military supplies, military advisors, military trainers, humanitarian supplies, and small security detachments to protect the same. Make it a river of C-17s, and ensure those aircraft are escorted into and out of Kiev and other major cities in the Ukraine at the invite of the Ukraine.
2. Immediately release all restrictions on the exploration, extraction, and production of natural gas and oil, and restrictions on its import to Europe. Sadly, this should have been done (and was in the process of being done) in 2008 as Bush left office...but Obama turned it all off. It will now take 3-5 years to be in a position to address Europes needs, but starting the process will send the message and impact the Ruble.
3. Take whatever financial means necessary to isolate the Ruble as a world currency.
Europe will never join with us in number 3, until they are sure we are serious about number 2. Putin will never believe we are truly serious about number 2, until we do something like number 1.
Crimea is none of our business.
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I definitely believe that.
Another poster (alloysteel) mentioned that this may be tantamount to US having Baja join us after a vote backed by us.
Frankly, it is none of Russia’s business, now Mexico may have something to say about it but that is for them to decide if they want to do anything about it.
I think a ‘better’ example would be Texas or Arizona or Southern California voting to join Mexico with 97% of the vote FOR. Or Maine or Montana to Canada. Though Washington with all the Libs would be better...
Can ‘bet your bippy’ that the ‘OLD ANTIQUATED CONSTITUTION’ would be put to use then.
AND, it would be no more Russia’s business than an election WE have in Alabama.
You know as well as I do Obama will never be Jimmy Carter. He really thinks America is not a force for good in the world.
And Putin is taking full advantage of it. He is as popular at home as Obama is unpopular at home. He has the upper hand and has the full deck.
What is Obama’s counter?
Yeah, but that’s one of them flexible red lines.
Texas seems to be have the closest correlation to the events in Crimea.
Yep - Just like Syria and its children.
When will mexico force a referendum on parts of Texas, Kalifornia and Arizona and then break them off to be annexed?
Interesting read! Still... we all saw the action of Obama’s admin on the military take over of Muslim Brotherhood. Frankly nothing! Obama is very reactive man, no clear understanding of preventative or predictive actions!
I agree,I think the Crimea annexation, with the populace approval there, is none of our business. I think the appropriate response for this admin would be not to contest it, but to give notice that NATO and the US is now on alert, with increased monitoring, and any further encroachment into bordering countries would be met with force.
If the culture, allegiance and population become overwhelmingly Mexican, why shouldn't they? Except that the US offers them the gravy train, while Crimea's financial benefit is with Russia.
Unless the US stops and reverses the invasion from the south, we either become that third world cesspool or give them to Mexico, which they love so much.
Yes. And yes.
We must learn to stay out of other people’s buisness.
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I'm not sure he wants to counter. I don't know what to believe about his thoughts or intentions. I'm fairly certain he's a Marxist at heart, and is clearly the political embodiment of what you can hear from faculty members on pretty much any university in the country, but I don't know what his end game is.
Only 97%? When the two choices on the ballot are between “yes” and “yes?” The Russians are slipping.
100% of 59 districts in Philly voted for Obama....the system is rigged. We need to “un-rig” it!!
You really mean, if Mexico had installed a governor of Texas, who began leaning toward Mexico instead of Canada, Americans forced him from power, and the Mexican government intervened on the side of California Mexicans . . . .
Beg to differ, but team Obama has a very clear understanding of preventative or predictive actions.
They know full well what they are doing to the American economy and to the Constitution.
They just can’t be bothered with issues outside of our borders because they believe it will never affect them.
They are way wrong on that, but that’s red diaper doper babies for ya.
“When will mexico force a referendum on parts of Texas, Kalifornia and Arizona and then break them off to be annexed?”
They would lose. The Mexicans there wouldn’t want to go back. They came here for the freebies...
Not exactly. Crimea used to be part of Russia but they gave it to the Ukraine while they were the soviet empire.
This would be more like part of the Philippines voting to become a US state and then the US accepting that area as a state.
If McCain had been President then the U.S. would already be a significant exporter of Natural Gas and be breaking GazProm’s monopoly in Europe.
Russia’s pathologies are amplified because it is an extraction economy with a captive market. If America had elected the party of “drill baby drill” things would be very different today.
That’s assuming just LNG export. American ingenuity and the removal of political barriers to pipeline construction would open up more of the world to cheap pipelined gas - which would dramatically undercut Gazprom’s current prices.
Even if we regard the Crimea as a benign secession - we wouldn’t now be worrying about a possible move into East Ukraine if Palin had been on the winning side.
BTW: Ukraine spinning off Crimea may be the best thing for the west because now they won’t have the Russian voters in their elections. Now they can adopt more Western policies...if they wish.
Oh My God! Just because 97% of Crimea want to live in Russia again? WOW
Kiev is denouncing its treaties with Russia and the Sevastopol basing rights for Russia’s Black Sea Fleet but they have no practical significance because Crimea is now in Russia.
And Ukraine can now look westwards without having to worry about Russian blackmail. The feeling in Kiev is, since Crimea wants to go join Russia - that’s fine with us. We have a civil divorce and now we can go our separate ways.
We can agree to disagree!
Come on Vlad. I know I said I would be more flexible but my *** hurts.
Kind of like if the Northeast and the Westcoast became the socialist states of America...we would probably be better off.
Actually, the choices were “join Russia” and “more autonomy within Ukraine”. Still, reading the 36% staying home as the “No, go back to the status quo ante” vote, gives .64*95.5% = 61.1% in favor of joining Russia (and 3.9% in favor of more autonomy within Ukraine).
61.1% secession votes in Scotland, the Veneto or Quebec will be seen as landslides if they happen, and if the Catalans vote 61.1% in favor of leaving Spain, Madrid will be hard pressed to say “no” the Spanish Constitution notwithstanding.
...like a submissive dog.
From your lips to God's ear...
California split into two States. And what if the southern state had a preponderance of Hispanics. And what if some event caused them to demand separation from the USA. And what if a referendum resulted in which they voted overwhelming to either separate from the USA as a nation, or become a state of Mexico.
Ditto, Arizona and New Mexico.
Sound far fetched?? Don’t discount it. We live in strange times.
And also vice versa, except a couple that went 100%+. But not to worry, the software is being patched and next time, the opposition candidate, whomsoever that might be, will receive at least 1 vote in each of those districts. Maybe 2.
That will look a whole lot better. But why always pick on Philly? In Baltimore, the same voters have been on the rolls since 1789.
In a recent election, Ed Rendell illegally registered about 100,000 legal aliens, mostly Russians and Albanians, and they voted. He got caught red-handed (NB pun) but the PA Courts, such as they are, decided that just this once, they would let it slide, since Team Rendell, they said, woulda won anyway.
If that happened remaining Texas would become deep red.