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Moscow Signals It Will Annex Crimea Quickly
Wall Street Journal ^ | 03/17/2014 | Olga Razumovskaya

Posted on 03/17/2014 5:11:57 AM PDT by goldstategop

Russia gave its clearest signal yet Monday that it plans to move fast to annex Crimea, defying U.S. and European threats of sanctions a day after a referendum in the breakaway Ukrainian region to secede passed handily.

The Moscow-backed leadership of Crimea wasted no time in formally asking to join Russia following the hastily called referendum in which 97% of voters supported becoming part of Russia.

"We will take care of our part quickly, quickly and responsibly," Sergei Naryshkin, speaker of the lower house of Russia's parliament, told reporters in response to the Crimean parliamentary vote, according to local news agencies.

Mr. Naryshkin's comments came shortly after officials announced that Russian President Vladimir Putin will address a joint session of parliament Tuesday on the issue.

The Kremlin didn't immediately specify what Mr. Putin's message would be, but the official ITAR-Tass news agency said the address would cover "accepting Crimea into the Russian Federation."

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KEYWORDS: crimea; crimeanaccession; olgarazumovskaya; putin; russia; ukraine; west; wsj
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Western sanctions? What Western sanctions?

Germany is already backtracking on Crimea.

1 posted on 03/17/2014 5:11:57 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

NO...Moscow gave its clearest signal of its intentions with respect to the Crimea the day it move troops into the Crimea. From that day forward this outcome was inevitable.


2 posted on 03/17/2014 5:14:56 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: goldstategop

We wake up and it’s 1983 again. But then we realize we have no Reagan as President. Scary.


3 posted on 03/17/2014 5:15:44 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: goldstategop

Isn’t today Kerry’s deadline for them to get out?


4 posted on 03/17/2014 5:17:40 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: goldstategop

Would this in any way be analogous to the United States annexing, say, Baja California, thus removing it from Mexican jurisdiction?

Warm water ports, jutting out on a peninsula....


5 posted on 03/17/2014 5:18:57 AM PDT by alloysteel (Obamacare - Death and Taxes now available online. One-stop shopping at its best!)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Crimea is none of our business. Quite frankly, that is the Russians’ own affair.

And presuming no war is in the offing, I think it’ll be all forgotten within six months.


6 posted on 03/17/2014 5:19:48 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
97% of voters supported becoming part of Russia.

That's irrelevant! [/sarc]

7 posted on 03/17/2014 5:20:04 AM PDT by McGruff (They say the first casualty of war is truth)
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To: goldstategop

“And presuming no war is in the offing, I think it’ll be all forgotten within six months.”

Or it’s just the start of much more.


8 posted on 03/17/2014 5:20:56 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: MNDude

What is Lurch going to do? Order them to get out?

I’m dying of laughter. Once the Russians take over a place, they stay for good. Crimea is now a Russian possession.


9 posted on 03/17/2014 5:21:25 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jeff Head

Yup, all under Obama’s watchful eye, at the 9th hole.


10 posted on 03/17/2014 5:21:27 AM PDT by SIRTRIS
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To: alloysteel

Maybe a better analogy would be the people in the Panama Canal Zone asking to be taken back by the United States after Jimmy Carter gave it away. (Unfortunately, the Chinese have already taken it over).


11 posted on 03/17/2014 5:23:42 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: SIRTRIS

Wednesday, March 18th, Putin will announce to his Parliament that the people of Crimea, under duress and after being abused by the rest of Ukraine invited Russia to help, and then voted to become a part of Russia and that it is imperative for the Russian assembly to vote equally unanimously to annex Crimea according to their wishes. Then a vote will follow that does exactly that.

It will not matter to Putin or those Russian elected officials what Barack Obama or John Kerry say about it or drone on regarding it. Those two have done NOTHING to stop or deter a man like Putin. He understands one thing...force.

The only question now is whether the will be satisfied with just the one Province of the Ukraine.

Potential things the US could have done (or still could do):

1. Immediately begin sending C-17s into Kiev with military supplies, military advisors, military trainers, humanitarian supplies, and small security detachments to protect the same. Make it a river of C-17s, and ensure those aircraft are escorted into and out of Kiev and other major cities in the Ukraine at the invite of the Ukraine.

2. Immediately release all restrictions on the exploration, extraction, and production of natural gas and oil, and restrictions on its import to Europe. Sadly, this should have been done (and was in the process of being done) in 2008 as Bush left office...but Obama turned it all off. It will now take 3-5 years to be in a position to address Europe’s needs, but starting the process will send the message and impact the Ruble.

3. Take whatever financial means necessary to isolate the Ruble as a world currency.

Europe will never join with us in number 3, until they are sure we are serious about number 2. Putin will never believe we are truly serious about number 2, until we do something like number 1.


12 posted on 03/17/2014 5:25:36 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: goldstategop; alloysteel

Crimea is none of our business.
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I definitely believe that.

Another poster (alloysteel) mentioned that this may be tantamount to US having Baja join us after a vote backed by us.

Frankly, it is none of Russia’s business, now Mexico may have something to say about it but that is for them to decide if they want to do anything about it.

I think a ‘better’ example would be Texas or Arizona or Southern California voting to join Mexico with 97% of the vote FOR. Or Maine or Montana to Canada. Though Washington with all the Libs would be better...

Can ‘bet your bippy’ that the ‘OLD ANTIQUATED CONSTITUTION’ would be put to use then.

AND, it would be no more Russia’s business than an election WE have in Alabama.


13 posted on 03/17/2014 5:31:22 AM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --"I would agree with you BUT that would make both of us wrong".)
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To: Jeff Head

You know as well as I do Obama will never be Jimmy Carter. He really thinks America is not a force for good in the world.

And Putin is taking full advantage of it. He is as popular at home as Obama is unpopular at home. He has the upper hand and has the full deck.

What is Obama’s counter?


14 posted on 03/17/2014 5:31:55 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: alloysteel
Well if a bunch of occupier leftists had overthrown the Mexican government and then the residents of Baja had voted in 90%+ numbers to join the United States, then yes it would be analogous.
15 posted on 03/17/2014 5:34:33 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: MNDude

Yeah, but that’s one of them flexible red lines.


16 posted on 03/17/2014 5:35:48 AM PDT by mykroar (We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again. - Nathanael Greene)
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To: alloysteel

Texas seems to be have the closest correlation to the events in Crimea.


17 posted on 03/17/2014 5:38:06 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: goldstategop
I think it’ll be all forgotten within six months.

Yep - Just like Syria and its children.

18 posted on 03/17/2014 5:39:37 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: goldstategop

When will mexico force a referendum on parts of Texas, Kalifornia and Arizona and then break them off to be annexed?


19 posted on 03/17/2014 5:41:46 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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To: Jeff Head

Interesting read! Still... we all saw the action of Obama’s admin on the military take over of Muslim Brotherhood. Frankly nothing! Obama is very reactive man, no clear understanding of preventative or predictive actions!


20 posted on 03/17/2014 5:43:21 AM PDT by SIRTRIS
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To: goldstategop

I agree,I think the Crimea annexation, with the populace approval there, is none of our business. I think the appropriate response for this admin would be not to contest it, but to give notice that NATO and the US is now on alert, with increased monitoring, and any further encroachment into bordering countries would be met with force.


21 posted on 03/17/2014 5:43:32 AM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: The Sons of Liberty
when will mexico force a referendum on parts of Tex, Cal and AZ and then break off to be annexed?

If the culture, allegiance and population become overwhelmingly Mexican, why shouldn't they? Except that the US offers them the gravy train, while Crimea's financial benefit is with Russia.

Unless the US stops and reverses the invasion from the south, we either become that third world cesspool or give them to Mexico, which they love so much.

22 posted on 03/17/2014 5:52:51 AM PDT by grania
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To: goldstategop

Yes. And yes.

We must learn to stay out of other people’s buisness.


23 posted on 03/17/2014 5:56:59 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: goldstategop
Maybe it’s time to reconsider Texas Secession.

Scottish independence vote threatens to derail 2015 general election
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10700499/Scotland-vote-threatens-to-derail-2015-election.html

Sunday referendum may see Venice elect to secede from Italy
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/15/more-sovereignty-votes-sunday-referendum-may-see-venice-elect-to-secede-from-italy/

Separatist battle in Canada rekindled with Quebec election
http://www.bnn.ca/News/2014/3/5/Separatist-battle-in-Canada-rekindled-with-Quebec-election.aspx

The Case for Catalonia's Secession from Spain
http://www.jhubc.it/bcjournal/articles/desquens.cfm

24 posted on 03/17/2014 6:00:52 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Hubris and denial overwhelm Western Civilization. Nemesis and tragedy always follow.)
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To: goldstategop
“What is Obama’s counter?’

I'm not sure he wants to counter. I don't know what to believe about his thoughts or intentions. I'm fairly certain he's a Marxist at heart, and is clearly the political embodiment of what you can hear from faculty members on pretty much any university in the country, but I don't know what his end game is.

25 posted on 03/17/2014 6:05:35 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: McGruff

Only 97%? When the two choices on the ballot are between “yes” and “yes?” The Russians are slipping.


26 posted on 03/17/2014 6:07:17 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: McGruff

100% of 59 districts in Philly voted for Obama....the system is rigged. We need to “un-rig” it!!


27 posted on 03/17/2014 6:09:28 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Well if a bunch of occupier leftists had overthrown the Mexican government and then the residents of Baja had voted in 90%+ numbers to join the United States, then yes it would be analogous.

You really mean, if Mexico had installed a governor of Texas, who began leaning toward Mexico instead of Canada, Americans forced him from power, and the Mexican government intervened on the side of California Mexicans . . . .

28 posted on 03/17/2014 6:11:05 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: HereInTheHeartland
yep. Crimea, half a world away from you, conquered 300 years ago by Russians, and populated by Russians continuously since then, voted to leave the Ukraine, a country that didn't exist 25 years ago, to join Russia who created and populated her Because the people in Crimea thought that Russia can offer higher wages, cheaper energy and better pensions. And there is that stuff about Crimeans and Russians being both Russians, who speak Russian.... A language that the parliament of liberated Ukraine tried to proscribe. Scary, indeed. if the US had McCain in the presidency, then the US and Russia would have exchanged a couple thousand nukes right now.
29 posted on 03/17/2014 6:19:59 AM PDT by gaslucas1
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To: SIRTRIS

Beg to differ, but team Obama has a very clear understanding of preventative or predictive actions.
They know full well what they are doing to the American economy and to the Constitution.

They just can’t be bothered with issues outside of our borders because they believe it will never affect them.
They are way wrong on that, but that’s red diaper doper babies for ya.


30 posted on 03/17/2014 6:22:49 AM PDT by Texas resident
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To: mikelets456
100% of 59 districts in Philly voted for Obama

Is there some way we could get Putin to annex Philly too?


31 posted on 03/17/2014 6:31:06 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: The Sons of Liberty

“When will mexico force a referendum on parts of Texas, Kalifornia and Arizona and then break them off to be annexed?”

They would lose. The Mexicans there wouldn’t want to go back. They came here for the freebies...


32 posted on 03/17/2014 6:39:14 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: alloysteel

Not exactly. Crimea used to be part of Russia but they gave it to the Ukraine while they were the soviet empire.

This would be more like part of the Philippines voting to become a US state and then the US accepting that area as a state.


33 posted on 03/17/2014 6:44:04 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: gaslucas1

If McCain had been President then the U.S. would already be a significant exporter of Natural Gas and be breaking GazProm’s monopoly in Europe.

Russia’s pathologies are amplified because it is an extraction economy with a captive market. If America had elected the party of “drill baby drill” things would be very different today.

That’s assuming just LNG export. American ingenuity and the removal of political barriers to pipeline construction would open up more of the world to cheap pipelined gas - which would dramatically undercut Gazprom’s current prices.

Even if we regard the Crimea as a benign secession - we wouldn’t now be worrying about a possible move into East Ukraine if Palin had been on the winning side.


34 posted on 03/17/2014 6:45:53 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: goldstategop

BTW: Ukraine spinning off Crimea may be the best thing for the west because now they won’t have the Russian voters in their elections. Now they can adopt more Western policies...if they wish.


35 posted on 03/17/2014 6:46:28 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Jeff Head

Oh My God! Just because 97% of Crimea want to live in Russia again? WOW


36 posted on 03/17/2014 6:50:58 AM PDT by lololo
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To: for-q-clinton

That’s true.

Kiev is denouncing its treaties with Russia and the Sevastopol basing rights for Russia’s Black Sea Fleet but they have no practical significance because Crimea is now in Russia.

And Ukraine can now look westwards without having to worry about Russian blackmail. The feeling in Kiev is, since Crimea wants to go join Russia - that’s fine with us. We have a civil divorce and now we can go our separate ways.


37 posted on 03/17/2014 6:53:37 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Savage Beast
The fact that folks all over Europe are clamoring for self determination and freedom from the EU/IMF socialists should be a reason for American conservatives to celebrate.
38 posted on 03/17/2014 6:53:44 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Texas resident

We can agree to disagree!


39 posted on 03/17/2014 6:56:01 AM PDT by SIRTRIS
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To: goldstategop

Come on Vlad. I know I said I would be more flexible but my *** hurts.

40 posted on 03/17/2014 7:01:38 AM PDT by McGruff (They say the first casualty of war is truth)
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To: goldstategop

Kind of like if the Northeast and the Westcoast became the socialist states of America...we would probably be better off.


41 posted on 03/17/2014 7:03:40 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: 1rudeboy

Actually, the choices were “join Russia” and “more autonomy within Ukraine”. Still, reading the 36% staying home as the “No, go back to the status quo ante” vote, gives .64*95.5% = 61.1% in favor of joining Russia (and 3.9% in favor of more autonomy within Ukraine).

61.1% secession votes in Scotland, the Veneto or Quebec will be seen as landslides if they happen, and if the Catalans vote 61.1% in favor of leaving Spain, Madrid will be hard pressed to say “no” the Spanish Constitution notwithstanding.


42 posted on 03/17/2014 7:05:52 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: goldstategop
"What is Obama’s counter?"

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Rolling over...

...like a submissive dog.

43 posted on 03/17/2014 7:07:08 AM PDT by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: The_Reader_David
No room for 'Nyet' in Ukraine's Crimea vote to join Russia.
44 posted on 03/17/2014 7:13:26 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Exactly.


45 posted on 03/17/2014 7:15:39 AM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: The_Reader_David
61.1% secession votes in Scotland, the Veneto or Quebec will be seen as landslides if they happen, and if the Catalans vote 61.1% in favor of leaving Spain, Madrid will be hard pressed to say “no” the Spanish Constitution notwithstanding.

From your lips to God's ear...

46 posted on 03/17/2014 7:26:49 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: goldstategop

What if:

California split into two States. And what if the southern state had a preponderance of Hispanics. And what if some event caused them to demand separation from the USA. And what if a referendum resulted in which they voted overwhelming to either separate from the USA as a nation, or become a state of Mexico.

Ditto, Arizona and New Mexico.

Sound far fetched?? Don’t discount it. We live in strange times.


47 posted on 03/17/2014 7:29:07 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: mikelets456
.....100% of 59 districts in Philly voted for Obama....

And also vice versa, except a couple that went 100%+. But not to worry, the software is being patched and next time, the opposition candidate, whomsoever that might be, will receive at least 1 vote in each of those districts. Maybe 2.

That will look a whole lot better. But why always pick on Philly? In Baltimore, the same voters have been on the rolls since 1789.

48 posted on 03/17/2014 7:32:09 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( The Republican Party is in Hospice Care. Hold all contributions.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
McFrog, in jest you come close to a bullseye, Buckeye.

In a recent election, Ed Rendell illegally registered about 100,000 legal aliens, mostly Russians and Albanians, and they voted. He got caught red-handed (NB pun) but the PA Courts, such as they are, decided that just this once, they would let it slide, since Team Rendell, they said, woulda won anyway.

49 posted on 03/17/2014 7:35:46 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( The Republican Party is in Hospice Care. Hold all contributions.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
When will mexico force a referendum on parts of Texas, Kalifornia and Arizona and then break them off to be annexed?

If that happened remaining Texas would become deep red.

50 posted on 03/17/2014 7:36:18 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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