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So Much for Rule of Law
predatorbdu.com ^ | 3/15/2014 | unknown

Posted on 03/17/2014 7:19:56 AM PDT by rktman

I was out having a succulent Chinese meal when I got the news that Ares Armor was raided. Monderno broke the story earlier today pointing out an instagram released by our friend Jeremy Tuma, the COO of Ares Armor. After finishing up my crab wonton, I figured I would see what was the latest. Here is some video footage from the raid at their new National City store.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; confrontationwatch; donutwatch; feos; guncontrol
Ares Armor is the outfit that sold/sells AR lowers and refused to turn over the client list to batfe. The batfe was issued a restraining order but looks like they don't care. Now about those Fast and Furious documents that congress wants.......... Who's gonna raid the batfe and get them? Conundrum time.
1 posted on 03/17/2014 7:19:57 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

The ‘Rule of Law’ is only good as long a there are people and institutions willing to follow them. Once that is gone, there are only tyrants and the tyrannized................


2 posted on 03/17/2014 7:23:39 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: rktman

The word “law” no longer has any meaning whatsoever int his country.

The word has been utterly corrupted by our utterly corrupt government.


3 posted on 03/17/2014 7:31:30 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

The foundations of any republic are : freedom, justice, and rule of law. Did ANYONE learn this in school? If we don’t fight this and other Obama misdeeds all is lost.


4 posted on 03/17/2014 7:43:39 AM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: rktman

Like I said yesterday ... they’re just gonna raid it and take what they want.


5 posted on 03/17/2014 7:52:30 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: rktman

When has the ATF ever followed the rule of law.

Its what ever they want, when they want, the way they want.

And NO ONE has ever held their feet to the fire.


6 posted on 03/17/2014 8:10:09 AM PDT by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: rktman

So, why did the ATF gunthugs have to kick in the door?


7 posted on 03/17/2014 8:12:34 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Red Badger
The ‘Rule of Law’ is only good as long a there are people and institutions willing to follow them. Once that is gone, there are only tyrants and the tyrannized................

In a tyranny, everyone is a criminal, except the government or anyone who works for the government or is part of the government.

We're there.

8 posted on 03/17/2014 8:16:43 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: rktman

Now I haven’t read where the company got the TRO from, and I supposed it’s like everything else ... if it’s not explained it’s probably because it doesn’t fit their version of events.

I’m not a BATF fan, but you can’t go to a municipal judge and get a TRO to stop the Federal Agents from serving a warrant. As a warrant from a superior court simply squashes it.


9 posted on 03/17/2014 8:17:06 AM PDT by Usagi_yo (Standardization is an Evolutionary dead end.)
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To: rktman

We no longer have the rule of law in this country. When that happens law abiding citizens begin to lose respect for the law and for their government institutions. Thats how you get to Revoulution.

There is nothing legal aout what the BATFE is doing at EP or Ares. Its tyranny and scare tactics. Not new in that agency but it needs to be stopped.


10 posted on 03/17/2014 8:18:30 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Usagi_yo

You’re 180 degrees wrong, AND the local sheriff should have been present to defend the rights of the citizens in his jurisdiction.


11 posted on 03/17/2014 8:21:42 AM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: HMS Surprise

I did, yes.

However today what is being taught is Glowbull Warming, diversity, false equality and social justice.

The treasure of this nation, its people, has been poisoned.


12 posted on 03/17/2014 8:27:35 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: rktman

This shopkeeper was downright foolish to keep those records on the premises, instead of in a secure location. Likely the rules required they keep them on site, for just such an opportunity.


13 posted on 03/17/2014 8:51:38 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: HMS Surprise

No I’m not. Who gave the TRO?


14 posted on 03/17/2014 9:44:24 AM PDT by Usagi_yo (Standardization is an Evolutionary dead end.)
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To: Usagi_yo; HMS Surprise; marktwain
Who gave the TRO?

Perhaps this post will help clarify things.

15 posted on 03/17/2014 10:19:03 AM PDT by aragorn (We do indeed live in interesting times. FUBO.)
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To: aragorn

Yup, clarifies what I’m saying. They’re glossing over this “court” thing.

What court did they get the TRO from? A tennis court? A basketball court? A quart of milk?

Who issued the TRO? Have they even put a .jpg of the TRO online?


16 posted on 03/17/2014 11:27:43 AM PDT by Usagi_yo (Standardization is an Evolutionary dead end.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Law abiding citizens have an internal sense that something is very very wrong. This is what we are witnessing today when, as you say, “law abiding citizens begin to lose respect for the law and for their government institutions.” And also, law abiding citizens become classified as criminals when their government passes laws that make the law abiding into criminals.

The fed government is not for the people. The fed government is for itself. It is an entity unto its own and feeds upon the people for its existence. Its only purpose is to exist. It will do anything and everything to exist. In order to exist, it needs to grow. It needs to grow, because to be stagnet means that something else may be growing in its place. Therefore, it grows, as a creature unto itself, without any purpose except to grow. The fed is a creature that is no longer recognizable. It is hideous and ugly, snapping, snarling, mean, and nasty.

In order to grow, it needs to feed upon the people. It eats out the livelihood of the people to grow. It will eat out the people until the people are no more.

This is the fed.

The state is something else. Some states care about its people, some don’t. Some states are pair bonding at the hip to the feds and will suck off the people with the feds. And will try to grow like the feds. Some states realize what is happening and do what they can to protect its people and remove the ravenous fed creature from feeding off its people.

There is no hope for the fed to be reformed. It is rabid. States need to protect its people from this hideous deformity. Good Luck!

Democrats and Republicans in the fed can not reform it. No one can.

Yep, America is finished! Been finished for a long time. We still call it America, but it isn’t. Do you call a butterfly a caterpillar after the caterpillar has changed to a butterfly? I don’t. But in this case, we still call America - America. But it is not America, it is now some weird and hideous metamorphisis.


17 posted on 03/17/2014 11:50:06 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: aragorn

Okay, finally a real news story on it.

I eat some crow.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/03/17/despite-restraining-order-atf-raids-ares-armory-over-plastic-parts-n1810321

” The restraining order was approved by Federal Judge Janis L. Sammartino and a federal raid of the business was prevented.”


18 posted on 03/17/2014 12:32:59 PM PDT by Usagi_yo (Standardization is an Evolutionary dead end.)
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To: Usagi_yo; HMS Surprise; marktwain
I don't agree that anyone is glossing over anything, but we each have our own opinions.

I found sources on line that stated that the TRO was issued, and later modified by Federal Judge Janis L. Sammartino, US District Court, Southern District of California. I presume you followed the link in the post by marktwain to which I referred you?

Here is one such site - I'm sure that Google can help you find others should you desire additional information.

An excerpt from the site above: "On March 14th Federal Judge Janis L. Sammartino “modified” her TRO to allow the BATFE to conduct the raid pursuant to a warrant at the request of the ATF effectively nullifying her earlier TRO against the ATF in the case of Lycurgan Inc. v. Jones aka Ares Armor v. BATFE."

To be honest, it didn't take long to find this, and I'm sure you could have done the same by yourself.

19 posted on 03/17/2014 12:40:13 PM PDT by aragorn (We do indeed live in interesting times. FUBO.)
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To: Usagi_yo
No sweat. It is important that we have all the facts in front of us. That is one thing I appreciate about this site.

And, I take it from your screen name that you are (or were) a GI. If that is correct, I want to thank you for your service.

20 posted on 03/17/2014 1:07:12 PM PDT by aragorn (We do indeed live in interesting times. FUBO.)
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To: aragorn

Rule of law requires obedience to statutes and natural law. A statute, or for that matter an administrative order from a court, can be just as misbegotten as any malfeasance you could imagine.


21 posted on 03/17/2014 4:34:55 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: HMS Surprise
Rule of law requires obedience to statutes and natural law.

I agree, and I'll add "especially by those that are charged with creating, upholding and enforcing the Rule of Law". If they cannot or will not set the example, why should they expect anyone else to follow?

A statute, or for that matter an administrative order from a court, can be just as misbegotten as any malfeasance you could imagine.

Indeed, we see that too may legislators ignore the Constitution, and kick the proverbial "is-this-Constitutional?" can down the road for someone else to rule on (while their law gets enforces anyway), and too many judges no longer seem constrained by the Rule of Law, or by their oaths, but instead can be counted on, or coerced to legislate from the bench, to impose their opinion, their will, on the rest of us, regardless of how the people speak through their hired (elected) legislators. Not that I believe that a majority should be allowed to infringe on the rights of others, but those in the majority have their own rights that must also be protected.

The process seems broken to me right now...

22 posted on 03/17/2014 5:21:31 PM PDT by aragorn (We do indeed live in interesting times. FUBO.)
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To: aragorn

Well, I did look in fact. It started out as a very local issue and didn’t go main stream until yesterday on Townhall where I found it.

I just cringe on how some people reach conclusions so rapidly, often pretty extreme conclusions at that.

I’ve no illusion that Progressivism is toxic to our Constitutional Republic and that Obama and most of his appointees really really suck or that Agencies abuse their power in the name of the Executive and ignore the Oversight

But I also know that for every little weird and grossly derogatory (percieved or otherwise) conclusion jumped to provides fodder for arguments against us and detracts from the real mainstream’s feelings about the current executive and environment.

So whenever I come across them, I try and challenge them to think critically.

I’m actually from Oceanside California. Lived there 30 years up until 2007 but I don’t know any of the players.


23 posted on 03/18/2014 3:13:15 AM PDT by Usagi_yo (Standardization is an Evolutionary dead end.)
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To: aragorn
I was a sailor for 6 years, but the actual name Usagi_yo is short for Usagi Yojimbo, a comic book character that I enjoyed.
24 posted on 03/18/2014 3:19:15 AM PDT by Usagi_yo (Standardization is an Evolutionary dead end.)
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