Skip to comments.Michael Farris and the John Birch Society Square off in Oklahoma (Article V)
Posted on 03/17/2014 1:12:43 PM PDT by Jacquerie
If youre interested in the Convention of States Project and enjoy a good, old-fashioned debate, youre in for a treat.
Convention of States Project director Michael Farris will join Oklahoma State Senator Rob Standridge on March 19 and 20 to debate leaders of the Oklahoma John Birch Society on the efficacy of calling a Convention of States to stop the abuses of Washington, D.C.
Questions have been swirling around the Convention of States issue, and Michael and Rob look forward to answering many of them. A Convention of States is our best chance to stop the overreach of the federal government, and they want to explain why all arguments to the contrary fall short.
It promises to be an excellent, informative debate, and we encourage you to attend if you live in the Oklahoma City area. If you arent able to attend, no problem. Youll have the opportunity to watch a recording of the debate, which well post on our website.
Details are below:
DEBATE #1: On March 19 at 12 p.m., Michael Farris and Rob Standridge will debate Oklahoma John Birch Society leader Bob Donohoo.
WHERE: Olivet Baptist Church, 1201 Northwest 10th St. Oklahoma City, OK.
DEBATE #2: On March 20 at 7 p.m., Farris and Standridge will debate Donohoo and Charlie Meadows, President and Founder of the Oklahoma Conservative Political Action Committee and long-time John Birch Society member.
WHERE: Assembly of God Church, 2500 E Lindsey St. Norman, OK.
Seating is limited at both venues, so come early to save yourself a good seat!
We look forward to seeing you there.
Hey let’s invite the Birchers to draft the language
of a state nullification amendment
so it can be presented at the Article V convention...
Please ping if you do find it posted, anywhere. Will love seeing Mr Farris clean some clocks!
They’re working on this in the AZ legislature.... hope it goes through!
I still don’t “get” this. The whole crux of the issue is our elected leaders are ignoring much of the Constitution. So we want to write more amendments to the Constitution for our leaders to ignore?
Are you suggesting that the current Senator would somehow ignore that and insist on staying on in the Senate?
What if term-limits amendments pass? Would a Representative or Senator refuse to vacate once the term limit is passed?
Is that what you mean when you ask about ignoring more amendments?
I suspect that RINOs are trying to exploit low-information patriots, who probably haven't read Article V, by rattling the "Convention of States" saber as a dog-and-pony show.
Patriots really need to elect Constitution-respecting conservatives to Congress in November who will do some long-overdue impeaching.
Well, I am not advocating either. The COS is utilizing a Constitutional mechanism, previously unused, to propose amendments that completely bypass the federal govt, and empowers the states. Yes, some states are marxist leftist hellholes. I live in one. But, again short of submission/war, there ARE states that can get things right, and just the momentum and spirit of a COS can start shaking things up to limit the federal overreach. The beauty of a COS is that people (aka, marxists) are not the participants, but states are.
Understood. But they do pretty much exactly what they want, ignoring the Constitution you want to amend. My concern is more about the First and Second Amendments that they’re already ignoring.
I’ve also seen analyses that indicate once a convention is called, what’s to keep the states from sending delegates who want to do more than just consider new amendments? What’s to keep them from voting on whether to repeal the First Amendment and/or the Second Amendment? Nothing.
The bottom line is things are already bad enough, and given the demographics of our nation nowadays, I have zero faith that the convention will be comprised of just patriots. A runaway convention would be an unmitigated disaster. The Left’s wet dream.
I mean, there’s a reason that scumbag Soros thinks this is a great idea.
State law, backed up with felony penalties for violating their commissions.
Mike debating the JB folks will be like St. Augustine debating Faustus.
Mike grew up in the heart of JB land in Eastern Washington.
Raised in the Tri-Cities, then college in Spokane, where he started his law practice.
What ever amendments were proposed by an Article V Convention of States would still have to be ratified by 38 states.
Do you seriously believe that 38 states would vote to repeal the 1st or 2nd amendment?
New York? California? Basically the northeast, north and left coast? See my point?
Article V convention called...
States send delegates... delegates debate and propose amendments... CONVENTION votes on amendments to send to states...
38 states to ratify...
It’s quite possible that NO offending amendments would even make it out of the Convention...
So TRUE BLUE states can send their delegations. Fantastic. They can be part of the debate and propose whatever they want... convention won’t allow it out... AND IF IT DOES< still need 38 states to ratify...
And delegates will be under STATE LAWS to govern their behaviors...
Let's talk about what a "runaway convention" really is.
1. Is it a convention that attempts to write a brand new Constitution, such as when the Articles of Confederation were replaced with our current Constitution?
This cannot happen. It is not 1787, and there already is a Constitution in force. The only output of the convention would be proposed amendments.
2. Is it a convention where all sorts of odd amendments are proposed?
Perhaps. More likely, the result would be that an oddball delegation from a state that was sent with instructions to disrupt would be ejected by the rest of the body. Any amendment proposals would have to be voted on, and it would be unfortunate if some really odd proposed amendments actually passed the convention. Then, they would still need 38 states to ratify an oddball amendment.
3. Is it a convention with such an arcane set of parliamentary rules that nothing ever gets voted on, essentially turning the convention into one large filibuster?
Would some states try to bog down the process so that nothing ever comes of it, and the convention degenerates into a waste of time to the point where the states recall their delegations and give up? I would hope that the states have enough people with high motives that they would send responsible, good-faith actors to such an historic event.
How MANY STATE HOUSES are in Repub control? How many states have PART-TIME legislators who live in the community? How many of these legislators are taking the SAME beating you and I are?
My rep here has a small business and his revenue is down 50%... You think he’s pi$$ed at DC? He’s all for an Article V Convention!
Patriots need to take advantage of all opportunities to resolve problems. But I don't foresee a convention before Nov. 4 of this year. So let's not lose opportunity provided by election while patriots also plan for convention.
Given our current level of collective depravity, yes.
Think about it. The Left does oppo research on whomever is sent by each delegation. They get the delegates behind closed doors and threaten them with exposure. So they sell us out.
NOTHING can be considered off limits when it comes to what lowlifes the Left are. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Left has a hotline to the NSA already, and that’s why the Repubs are so feckless. I think the whole NSA thing is just blackmail writ large. They’ve let the Repubs know that they (the Dems) know about all their sleazy dealings and they’ll expose them unless they play ball.
This is a good, workable strategy. We should be looking to “upgrade” wherever we can...
We should attack on as many fronts as possible to move the ball back in the other direction...
If you believe that 38 states would vote to repeal the 1st or 2nd amendment,
then you must believe that all is already lost.
If you believe that all is already lost,
then no harm can come from an Article V Convention of The States.
If 38 states agree to alter the Bill of Rights, you’re doomed anyway... You don’t think there are 13 to stop it?
STATES (you and me) will vote on Amendments from the Convention...
The pubbies are feckless because they LIKE where they are and sharing POWER with NO responsibility... It is the UNIPARTY...
Exactly! Abide strictly by the constitutioin that we have and our country will thrive.
I hope I don’t have occasion to say “I told you so...”
Without the First and Second Amendments, things could become very much worse.
“... Abide strictly by the constitutioin that we have and our country will thrive. ...”
So, how’s that been working out for ya’?
You might want to read up on Mike Farris before categorizing him.
I respectfully disagree...
The 17th amendment made it almost impossible; along with congress giving much of it’s power to the Executive Brach and the Judicial Branch writing any and all laws it wants...
The problem with strictly abiding by the constitution is getting those OUT that won’t. Term Limits would solve that and then we could move back towards a system that works...
“So, hows that been working out for ya?”
If it’s ignored now, how will adding anything improve on that situation?
I don’t see the point of a “debate” as the OK legislature has already declined to participate on the COS project, as I understand it.
This is the important part:
the federal government has ceased to live under a proper interpretation of the Constitution of the United States; and
it is the solemn duty of the states to protect the liberty of our people, particularly for the generations to come,
by proposing amendments to the Constitution of the United States through a convention of the states under Article V
of the United States Constitution to place clear restraints on these and related abuses of power.
Adding words to a document that is already twisted isn’t going to help a huge amount, but that’s just me.
No, it is the Left that has everything to lose at an amendment convention.
We have an arbitrary, despotic government in which the prez determines the law. There are no restraints. A stroll through the Bill of Rights will show very few clauses remain in force. Leftist courts have rewritten the constitution such that it bears no resemblance to a government for a free people.
There is a burr under the saddle for the Left, and it is Article V. We have the power to restore republican freedom. Future generations will shake their heads in wonder if we don't take advantage of our framers' bequest.
Don't assume the states will send majority Leftist radical delegates. Over half of the states opposed Obamacare in court. All have to put up with p!ssant DC bureaucrats pushing them around.
As the Tea Party has demonstrated, there is more than a mere whiff of resistance in the air. There are pent up, patriotic frustrations that await release. The next assembly of states will be held in mid-June. Their press release may be the spark that launches freedom's restoration.
I anticipate state House speakers and Senate majority leaders will get helpful and profitable hints to derail the Article V process.
This isn't 1787, and rats are not honorable Anti-Federalists.
All of which doesn't matter, for the possibility of failure is no reason not to try.
I'm sorry if I offended you concerning Mr. Farris. But hypothetically speaking, consider that I'm way past the point of hesitating to ask the author of the Constitution, James Madison, if he knows which constitutional clauses limit Congress's powers.
I’m glad my Oklahoma Legislators turned down Oklahoma joining in on the Constitutional Convention.
Too many people want to open up a Pandora’s Box With a Constitutional Comvention. Some of these people who want to do so are being duped by Liberals, Leftists, Marxists and Democrats - who would love to get the chance of rewriting the US Constitution. These liberals and Marxists would love to get a hold of those Bill of Rights and “set it straight” for our modern world, because the Founding Fathers are outdated in our present world.
How could term limits be ignored?
[ Too many people want to open up a Pandoras Box With a Constitutional Comvention. Some of these people who want to do so are being duped by Liberals, Leftists, Marxists and Democrats - who would love to get the chance of rewriting the US Constitution. These liberals and Marxists would love to get a hold of those Bill of Rights and set it straight for our modern world, because the Founding Fathers are outdated in our present world. ]
An Article V State Convention is NOT a re-write of the damned constitution!!!!
I don’t know how many damn times I have to post this!!
It is only to PROPOSE amendments to the constitution that MUST be ratified by 38 state legislatures. Which means to effectively BLOCK a NEW amendment you only need 13 states to say NO!!! Look at an Election map next time.... 13 SOLID RED states are easy to find!
Plus the new amendments would be simple things like TERM LIMITS on Senators and Reps to limit their time in DC and the eventually onset of Potomac Fever they all seem to come down with.
RIGHT NOW!!! Congress could decide to Propose new Amendments, all those congress critters in the SWAMP known as DC could do exactly what the Convention of the States can do PROPOSE AMENDMENTS!!! Who do you trust more? A great deal of the State Legislatures or you Congress Critters in DC????
SO do you trust the Congress critters who have ran wild to PROPOSE NEW AMENDMENTS, or do you trust most of the State Legislatures to do it?
If you cannot trust the state legislatures to draft up some common sense amendments to NEUTER WASHINGTON DC? Isn’t the nation already GONE?
Oh do you honestly believe that the congress critters in DC will propose amendments to Neuter THEMSELVES? If so you may be delusional...
Sorry ... but your assessment is not reassuring ...
It’s like I said in another post ...
Sorry ... but your assessment is not reassuring ...
So far, you have said nothing of substance. There is no “there” on your side.
Well ... that’s certainly not reassuring either ... :-) ...
Sorry ... but your assessment is not reassuring ...
I hope the Washington D.C. Rampaging Bull that is currently running through the china shop of our lives decides to sit down and neuter itself because if you have you way the shopkeepers sure as hell ain’t gonna do it...
I am sure if we get a Republican majority in Both the houses all will be well and grand like it was in 2001 - 2006... I am sure a Republican Majority will certainly decide to propose new amendments to reel itself in and limit the executives power along with all the bureaucracy ....
Might as well just dissolve the states into one federal super state because I guess state legislatures mean nothing anymore...