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Michael Farris and the John Birch Society Square off in Oklahoma (Article V)
Convention of States ^ | March 17th, 2014 | Jordan Sillars

Posted on 03/17/2014 1:12:43 PM PDT by Jacquerie

If you’re interested in the Convention of States Project and enjoy a good, old-fashioned debate, you’re in for a treat.

Convention of States Project director Michael Farris will join Oklahoma State Senator Rob Standridge on March 19 and 20 to debate leaders of the Oklahoma John Birch Society on the efficacy of calling a Convention of States to stop the abuses of Washington, D.C.

Questions have been swirling around the Convention of States issue, and Michael and Rob look forward to answering many of them. A Convention of States is our best chance to stop the overreach of the federal government, and they want to explain why all arguments to the contrary fall short.

It promises to be an excellent, informative debate, and we encourage you to attend if you live in the Oklahoma City area. If you aren’t able to attend, no problem. You’ll have the opportunity to watch a recording of the debate, which we’ll post on our website.

Details are below:

DEBATE #1: On March 19 at 12 p.m., Michael Farris and Rob Standridge will debate Oklahoma John Birch Society leader Bob Donohoo.

WHERE: Olivet Baptist Church, 1201 Northwest 10th St. Oklahoma City, OK.

DEBATE #2: On March 20 at 7 p.m., Farris and Standridge will debate Donohoo and Charlie Meadows, President and Founder of the Oklahoma Conservative Political Action Committee and long-time John Birch Society member.

WHERE: Assembly of God Church, 2500 E Lindsey St. Norman, OK.

Seating is limited at both venues, so come early to save yourself a good seat!

We look forward to seeing you there.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; US: Oklahoma; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: articlev; constitution; farris; hslda; jbs
I can only hope this debate shows up on youtube.
1 posted on 03/17/2014 1:12:43 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Resolute Conservative; VerySadAmerican; Nuc 1.1; MamaTexan; Political Junkie Too; jeffc; 1010RD; ...
Article V ping!
2 posted on 03/17/2014 1:13:36 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Obama has established executive branch precedents that no election can reverse. Article V.)
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To: Jacquerie

Hey let’s invite the Birchers to draft the language
of a state nullification amendment
so it can be presented at the Article V convention...


3 posted on 03/17/2014 1:22:42 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Jacquerie

Please ping if you do find it posted, anywhere. Will love seeing Mr Farris clean some clocks!


4 posted on 03/17/2014 1:23:28 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Jacquerie

They’re working on this in the AZ legislature.... hope it goes through!


5 posted on 03/17/2014 1:23:46 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (She accomplished nothing: should have stayed at home and baked cookies)
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To: Jacquerie

I still don’t “get” this. The whole crux of the issue is our elected leaders are ignoring much of the Constitution. So we want to write more amendments to the Constitution for our leaders to ignore?


6 posted on 03/17/2014 1:24:53 PM PDT by afsnco
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To: afsnco
Let's assume that a repeal of the 17th amendment is passed, and a state chooses to replace their sitting Senator with someone else.

Are you suggesting that the current Senator would somehow ignore that and insist on staying on in the Senate?

What if term-limits amendments pass? Would a Representative or Senator refuse to vacate once the term limit is passed?

Is that what you mean when you ask about ignoring more amendments?

-PJ

7 posted on 03/17/2014 1:43:42 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: afsnco; All
So we want to write more amendments to the Constitution for our leaders to ignore?

Bingo!

I suspect that RINOs are trying to exploit low-information patriots, who probably haven't read Article V, by rattling the "Convention of States" saber as a dog-and-pony show.

Insights welcome.

Patriots really need to elect Constitution-respecting conservatives to Congress in November who will do some long-overdue impeaching.

8 posted on 03/17/2014 1:48:02 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: afsnco
The intent behind COS, Mark Levin, is for structural changes that cannot be ignored.

Summary of Mark Levin's Proposed Amendments.

9 posted on 03/17/2014 1:55:04 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Obama has established executive branch precedents that no election can reverse. Article V.)
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To: afsnco
If you are suggesting that the Constitution is being totally ignored and anything done is futile, then I submit what you are advocating effectively is either submission or armed conflict.

Well, I am not advocating either. The COS is utilizing a Constitutional mechanism, previously unused, to propose amendments that completely bypass the federal govt, and empowers the states. Yes, some states are marxist leftist hellholes. I live in one. But, again short of submission/war, there ARE states that can get things right, and just the momentum and spirit of a COS can start shaking things up to limit the federal overreach. The beauty of a COS is that people (aka, marxists) are not the participants, but states are.

10 posted on 03/17/2014 1:55:10 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Understood. But they do pretty much exactly what they want, ignoring the Constitution you want to amend. My concern is more about the First and Second Amendments that they’re already ignoring.

I’ve also seen analyses that indicate once a convention is called, what’s to keep the states from sending delegates who want to do more than just consider new amendments? What’s to keep them from voting on whether to repeal the First Amendment and/or the Second Amendment? Nothing.

The bottom line is things are already bad enough, and given the demographics of our nation nowadays, I have zero faith that the convention will be comprised of just patriots. A runaway convention would be an unmitigated disaster. The Left’s wet dream.

I mean, there’s a reason that scumbag Soros thinks this is a great idea.


11 posted on 03/17/2014 1:56:49 PM PDT by afsnco
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To: Amendment10
If elections were the solution to our problems, the problems would have been solved long ago. Supporting conservatives is necessary but insufficient. It is time to return to the Framers’ structure.
12 posted on 03/17/2014 1:57:11 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Obama has established executive branch precedents that no election can reverse. Article V.)
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To: afsnco
What’s to keep them from voting on whether to repeal the First Amendment and/or the Second Amendment?

State law, backed up with felony penalties for violating their commissions.

13 posted on 03/17/2014 2:01:42 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Obama has established executive branch precedents that no election can reverse. Article V.)
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To: Jacquerie

Mike debating the JB folks will be like St. Augustine debating Faustus.

Mike grew up in the heart of JB land in Eastern Washington.

Raised in the Tri-Cities, then college in Spokane, where he started his law practice.


14 posted on 03/17/2014 2:04:14 PM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: afsnco

What ever amendments were proposed by an Article V Convention of States would still have to be ratified by 38 states.

Do you seriously believe that 38 states would vote to repeal the 1st or 2nd amendment?


15 posted on 03/17/2014 2:06:57 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Jacquerie

New York? California? Basically the northeast, north and left coast? See my point?


16 posted on 03/17/2014 2:22:06 PM PDT by afsnco
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To: afsnco

Article V convention called...

States send delegates... delegates debate and propose amendments... CONVENTION votes on amendments to send to states...

38 states to ratify...

It’s quite possible that NO offending amendments would even make it out of the Convention...

So TRUE BLUE states can send their delegations. Fantastic. They can be part of the debate and propose whatever they want... convention won’t allow it out... AND IF IT DOES< still need 38 states to ratify...

And delegates will be under STATE LAWS to govern their behaviors...


17 posted on 03/17/2014 2:22:26 PM PDT by bfh333 (William Wallace was right! ~~~ FRRRREEEEEEEEEEEDOM ~~~)
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To: afsnco
A runaway convention would be an unmitigated disaster.

Let's talk about what a "runaway convention" really is.

1. Is it a convention that attempts to write a brand new Constitution, such as when the Articles of Confederation were replaced with our current Constitution?

This cannot happen. It is not 1787, and there already is a Constitution in force. The only output of the convention would be proposed amendments.

2. Is it a convention where all sorts of odd amendments are proposed?

Perhaps. More likely, the result would be that an oddball delegation from a state that was sent with instructions to disrupt would be ejected by the rest of the body. Any amendment proposals would have to be voted on, and it would be unfortunate if some really odd proposed amendments actually passed the convention. Then, they would still need 38 states to ratify an oddball amendment.

3. Is it a convention with such an arcane set of parliamentary rules that nothing ever gets voted on, essentially turning the convention into one large filibuster?

Would some states try to bog down the process so that nothing ever comes of it, and the convention degenerates into a waste of time to the point where the states recall their delegations and give up? I would hope that the states have enough people with high motives that they would send responsible, good-faith actors to such an historic event.

-PJ

18 posted on 03/17/2014 2:22:41 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: afsnco

How MANY STATE HOUSES are in Repub control? How many states have PART-TIME legislators who live in the community? How many of these legislators are taking the SAME beating you and I are?

My rep here has a small business and his revenue is down 50%... You think he’s pi$$ed at DC? He’s all for an Article V Convention!


19 posted on 03/17/2014 2:27:13 PM PDT by bfh333 (William Wallace was right! ~~~ FRRRREEEEEEEEEEEDOM ~~~)
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To: Jacquerie; All
If elections were the solution to our problems, the problems would have been solved long ago.

Patriots need to take advantage of all opportunities to resolve problems. But I don't foresee a convention before Nov. 4 of this year. So let's not lose opportunity provided by election while patriots also plan for convention.

20 posted on 03/17/2014 2:28:50 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Repeal The 17th

Given our current level of collective depravity, yes.

Think about it. The Left does oppo research on whomever is sent by each delegation. They get the delegates behind closed doors and threaten them with exposure. So they sell us out.

NOTHING can be considered off limits when it comes to what lowlifes the Left are. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Left has a hotline to the NSA already, and that’s why the Repubs are so feckless. I think the whole NSA thing is just blackmail writ large. They’ve let the Repubs know that they (the Dems) know about all their sleazy dealings and they’ll expose them unless they play ball.


21 posted on 03/17/2014 2:29:37 PM PDT by afsnco
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To: Amendment10

Agreed...

This is a good, workable strategy. We should be looking to “upgrade” wherever we can...

We should attack on as many fronts as possible to move the ball back in the other direction...


22 posted on 03/17/2014 2:31:06 PM PDT by bfh333 (William Wallace was right! ~~~ FRRRREEEEEEEEEEEDOM ~~~)
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To: afsnco

If you believe that 38 states would vote to repeal the 1st or 2nd amendment,
then you must believe that all is already lost.

If you believe that all is already lost,
then no harm can come from an Article V Convention of The States.


23 posted on 03/17/2014 2:33:53 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: afsnco

If 38 states agree to alter the Bill of Rights, you’re doomed anyway... You don’t think there are 13 to stop it?

STATES (you and me) will vote on Amendments from the Convention...

The pubbies are feckless because they LIKE where they are and sharing POWER with NO responsibility... It is the UNIPARTY...


24 posted on 03/17/2014 2:36:07 PM PDT by bfh333 (William Wallace was right! ~~~ FRRRREEEEEEEEEEEDOM ~~~)
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To: afsnco
I still don’t “get” this. The whole crux of the issue is our elected leaders are ignoring much of the Constitution. So we want to write more amendments to the Constitution for our leaders to ignore?

Exactly! Abide strictly by the constitutioin that we have and our country will thrive.

25 posted on 03/17/2014 2:38:07 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (God is not the author of confusion. 1 Cor 13: 33)
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To: Repeal The 17th

I hope I don’t have occasion to say “I told you so...”

Without the First and Second Amendments, things could become very much worse.


26 posted on 03/17/2014 2:39:12 PM PDT by afsnco
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To: Graybeard58

“... Abide strictly by the constitutioin that we have and our country will thrive. ...”
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So, how’s that been working out for ya’?


27 posted on 03/17/2014 2:41:11 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Amendment10

You might want to read up on Mike Farris before categorizing him.


28 posted on 03/17/2014 2:42:47 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Graybeard58

I respectfully disagree...

The 17th amendment made it almost impossible; along with congress giving much of it’s power to the Executive Brach and the Judicial Branch writing any and all laws it wants...

The problem with strictly abiding by the constitution is getting those OUT that won’t. Term Limits would solve that and then we could move back towards a system that works...


29 posted on 03/17/2014 2:43:19 PM PDT by bfh333 (William Wallace was right! ~~~ FRRRREEEEEEEEEEEDOM ~~~)
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To: Repeal The 17th

“So, how’s that been working out for ya’?”

If it’s ignored now, how will adding anything improve on that situation?


30 posted on 03/17/2014 2:50:59 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (God is not the author of confusion. 1 Cor 13: 33)
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To: Jacquerie

I don’t see the point of a “debate” as the OK legislature has already declined to participate on the COS project, as I understand it.


31 posted on 03/17/2014 3:06:46 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Graybeard58
"... how will adding anything improve on that situation? ..."
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Things like:
Term limits...
Repeal the 17th amendment...
Repeal the 16th amendment...
etc., etc.
Have you visited the Convention of States website?
Have you read Mark Levin's "Liberty Amendments"?
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Here is the text of the bill passed in Georgia:
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Georgia Senate Resolution 736
Passed by the Georgia Senate and approved by the Georgia House of Representatives
A RESOLUTION
Applying for a convention of the states under Article V of the United States Constitution;
and for other purposes.

WHEREAS,
the founders of the Constitution of the United States empowered state legislators
to be guardians of liberty against future abuses of power by the federal government; and

WHEREAS,
the federal government has created a crushing national debt
through improper and imprudent spending; and

WHEREAS,
the federal government has invaded the legitimate roles of the states
through the manipulative process of federal mandates,
most of which are unfunded to a great extent; and

WHEREAS,
the federal government has ceased to live
under a proper interpretation of the Constitution of the United States; and

WHEREAS,
it is the solemn duty of the states to protect the liberty of our people,
particularly for the generations to come, by proposing amendments to the
Constitution of the United States through a convention of the states
under Article V of the United States Constitution
to place clear restraints on these and related abuses of power.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF GEORGIA
that the General Assembly of the State of Georgia hereby applies to Congress,
under the provisions of Article V of the Constitution of the United States,
for the calling of a convention of the states limited to proposing amendments
to the United States Constitution that impose fiscal restraints on the federal government,
limit the power and jurisdiction of the federal government,
and limit the terms of office for its officials and for members of Congress.

32 posted on 03/17/2014 3:09:39 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

This is the important part:

WHEREAS,
the federal government has ceased to live under a proper interpretation of the Constitution of the United States; and

WHEREAS,
it is the solemn duty of the states to protect the liberty of our people, particularly for the generations to come,
by proposing amendments to the Constitution of the United States through a convention of the states under Article V
of the United States Constitution to place clear restraints on these and related abuses of power.


33 posted on 03/17/2014 3:12:40 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Adding words to a document that is already twisted isn’t going to help a huge amount, but that’s just me.


34 posted on 03/17/2014 3:18:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: afsnco
From your #13, A runaway convention would be an unmitigated disaster. The Left’s wet dream.

No, it is the Left that has everything to lose at an amendment convention.

We have an arbitrary, despotic government in which the prez determines the law. There are no restraints. A stroll through the Bill of Rights will show very few clauses remain in force. Leftist courts have rewritten the constitution such that it bears no resemblance to a government for a free people.

There is a burr under the saddle for the Left, and it is Article V. We have the power to restore republican freedom. Future generations will shake their heads in wonder if we don't take advantage of our framers' bequest.

Don't assume the states will send majority Leftist radical delegates. Over half of the states opposed Obamacare in court. All have to put up with p!ssant DC bureaucrats pushing them around.

As the Tea Party has demonstrated, there is more than a mere whiff of resistance in the air. There are pent up, patriotic frustrations that await release. The next assembly of states will be held in mid-June. Their press release may be the spark that launches freedom's restoration.

35 posted on 03/17/2014 3:25:21 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Obama has established executive branch precedents that no election can reverse. Article V.)
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To: afsnco
I have no illusions as to the evil depths the Left is capable of.

I anticipate state House speakers and Senate majority leaders will get helpful and profitable hints to derail the Article V process.

This isn't 1787, and rats are not honorable Anti-Federalists.

All of which doesn't matter, for the possibility of failure is no reason not to try.

36 posted on 03/17/2014 3:35:41 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Obama has established executive branch precedents that no election can reverse. Article V.)
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To: EDINVA; All
You might want to read up on Mike Farris before categorizing him.

I'm sorry if I offended you concerning Mr. Farris. But hypothetically speaking, consider that I'm way past the point of hesitating to ask the author of the Constitution, James Madison, if he knows which constitutional clauses limit Congress's powers.

37 posted on 03/17/2014 3:44:23 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Jacquerie

I’m glad my Oklahoma Legislators turned down Oklahoma joining in on the Constitutional Convention.


38 posted on 03/17/2014 4:13:50 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: afsnco

Too many people want to open up a Pandora’s Box With a Constitutional Comvention. Some of these people who want to do so are being duped by Liberals, Leftists, Marxists and Democrats - who would love to get the chance of rewriting the US Constitution. These liberals and Marxists would love to get a hold of those Bill of Rights and “set it straight” for our modern world, because the Founding Fathers are outdated in our present world.


39 posted on 03/17/2014 4:19:56 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Post #35.


40 posted on 03/17/2014 4:41:41 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Obama has established executive branch precedents that no election can reverse. Article V.)
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To: Graybeard58

How could term limits be ignored?


41 posted on 03/17/2014 4:45:14 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Star Traveler

[ Too many people want to open up a Pandora’s Box With a Constitutional Comvention. Some of these people who want to do so are being duped by Liberals, Leftists, Marxists and Democrats - who would love to get the chance of rewriting the US Constitution. These liberals and Marxists would love to get a hold of those Bill of Rights and “set it straight” for our modern world, because the Founding Fathers are outdated in our present world. ]

An Article V State Convention is NOT a re-write of the damned constitution!!!!

I don’t know how many damn times I have to post this!!

It is only to PROPOSE amendments to the constitution that MUST be ratified by 38 state legislatures. Which means to effectively BLOCK a NEW amendment you only need 13 states to say NO!!! Look at an Election map next time.... 13 SOLID RED states are easy to find!

Plus the new amendments would be simple things like TERM LIMITS on Senators and Reps to limit their time in DC and the eventually onset of Potomac Fever they all seem to come down with.

RIGHT NOW!!! Congress could decide to Propose new Amendments, all those congress critters in the SWAMP known as DC could do exactly what the Convention of the States can do PROPOSE AMENDMENTS!!! Who do you trust more? A great deal of the State Legislatures or you Congress Critters in DC????

SO do you trust the Congress critters who have ran wild to PROPOSE NEW AMENDMENTS, or do you trust most of the State Legislatures to do it?

If you cannot trust the state legislatures to draft up some common sense amendments to NEUTER WASHINGTON DC? Isn’t the nation already GONE?

Oh do you honestly believe that the congress critters in DC will propose amendments to Neuter THEMSELVES? If so you may be delusional...


42 posted on 03/17/2014 4:57:40 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG

Sorry ... but your assessment is not reassuring ...

http://stoptheconcon.wordpress.com


43 posted on 03/17/2014 5:03:06 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Jacquerie

MArker


44 posted on 03/17/2014 5:03:50 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: Jacquerie

It’s like I said in another post ...

Sorry ... but your assessment is not reassuring ...

http://stoptheconcon.wordpress.com


45 posted on 03/17/2014 5:08:24 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

So far, you have said nothing of substance. There is no “there” on your side.


46 posted on 03/17/2014 5:11:26 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Obama has established executive branch precedents that no election can reverse. Article V.)
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To: Jacquerie

Well ... that’s certainly not reassuring either ... :-) ...


47 posted on 03/17/2014 5:13:04 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Sorry ... but your assessment is not reassuring ...

http://stoptheconcon.wordpress.com

I hope the Washington D.C. Rampaging Bull that is currently running through the china shop of our lives decides to sit down and neuter itself because if you have you way the shopkeepers sure as hell ain’t gonna do it...

I am sure if we get a Republican majority in Both the houses all will be well and grand like it was in 2001 - 2006... I am sure a Republican Majority will certainly decide to propose new amendments to reel itself in and limit the executives power along with all the bureaucracy ....

Might as well just dissolve the states into one federal super state because I guess state legislatures mean nothing anymore...


48 posted on 03/17/2014 5:26:34 PM PDT by GraceG
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