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Boeing Source: Missing Plane in Pakistan
Lignet ^ | March 17, 2014, 5:30 p.m. |

Posted on 03/17/2014 3:01:29 PM PDT by robowombat

The Malaysian government reportedly is investigating the possibility that missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 avoided radar detection and landed in Pakistan near the Afghanistan border inside Taliban-controlled territory, according to the UK Independent . . . investigators confiscated a homemade flight simulator from the pilot’s home to see if it reveals any useful information . . . the Malaysian foreign minister told reporters that Malaysia asked several Asian countries for assistance in its investigation, including Pakistan . . . Pakistan dismissed the idea that a Boeing 777 could land undetected inside the country but promised to work with the Malaysian government in its search for the missing plane . . . a LIGNET analyst received information from a source at Boeing that the company believes the plane did land in Pakistan . . . Israel is taking the possibility of a terrorist attack seriously by mobilizing air defenses and scrutinizing approaching civilian aircraft, according to the Times of Israel . . . a Boeing 777 requires a lengthy, 7,500-foot runway, and Pakistan has many of them, meaning Flight 370 could conceivably be hidden in a hangar inside the country . . . U.S. surveillance of the area may be able to shed light on the theory through satellite imagery or signals intelligence.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boeing; hijack; iran; lignet; malaysia; mcinerny; mh370; pakistan; planehijak; thomasmcinerney; waronterror
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This is from LIGNET so a large dose of salt needs to be applied.
1 posted on 03/17/2014 3:01:29 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat

Maybe they are getting their ideas off of here. lol


2 posted on 03/17/2014 3:03:53 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: robowombat

Thank you for the salt - I am not familiar with the source.


3 posted on 03/17/2014 3:04:29 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: robowombat

Different sources keep saying it landed, but there is a contingent of FReepers that insist it crashed into the ocean without a trace of debris or other evidence.


4 posted on 03/17/2014 3:07:59 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: robowombat

Sounds like a hard place to land.


5 posted on 03/17/2014 3:08:22 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: robowombat

gonna need a really LONG runway - I doubt dirt is gonna do


6 posted on 03/17/2014 3:10:43 PM PDT by telstar12.5 (...always bring gunships to a gun fight...)
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To: robowombat

I am certainly ready for this plane to turn up someplace!


7 posted on 03/17/2014 3:10:57 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: robowombat

Pakistan has shown many times just how duplicitous they can be but this plane was from a fellow Muslim country so I doubt it. Also I doubt there are any airfields in that part of Pakistan which could handle one of those planes.


8 posted on 03/17/2014 3:11:44 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: telstar12.5

I would keep my eyes on Israel - nothing goes on without them being “in the loop” or they’d have been wiped out long ago.


9 posted on 03/17/2014 3:12:14 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I am strongly in the camp that believes that I don’t know what happened with the plane.


10 posted on 03/17/2014 3:12:42 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: robowombat; maggief; Black Agnes; hoosiermama; null and void; crosslink

Thanks robowombat!

Pinging all y’all to this one ; take with (>) a grain of salt till get second-source.


11 posted on 03/17/2014 3:12:56 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: robowombat
Pakistan dismissed the idea that a Boeing 777 could land undetected inside the country

They didn't think a SEAL team could, either.

12 posted on 03/17/2014 3:13:45 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: robowombat

Hey Boeing, I’m calling from Al Queda, Pakistan.
You got any oil filters and brake pads for a 2002
triple 7-200?


13 posted on 03/17/2014 3:14:11 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: telstar12.5

Landing isn’t the problem. Taking off again; that’s the issue.


14 posted on 03/17/2014 3:16:23 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: robowombat
What Pilots Think About The Crazy New Theory That The Missing Malaysia Jet Used Another Jet To Hide
15 posted on 03/17/2014 3:16:29 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Jack Hydrazine
there is a contingent of FReepers that insist it crashed into the ocean without a trace of debris or other evidence.

There is some debris but the region is so vast that searching for a needle in a haystack would be easier.

16 posted on 03/17/2014 3:17:11 PM PDT by fso301
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To: robowombat

Hard to believe that of the 239 cell phones on the plane, even with dead owners; not one has pinged on the ground or on the way to the ground.


17 posted on 03/17/2014 3:18:25 PM PDT by cicero2k
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18 posted on 03/17/2014 3:20:19 PM PDT by Parmenio
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To: cicero2k
If it landed in Pakistan what about the passengers. If they died onboard it would require a serious response.
19 posted on 03/17/2014 3:20:25 PM PDT by McGruff (They say the first casualty of war is truth)
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To: robowombat

I thought the 777 never “pinged” that its wheels were down...


20 posted on 03/17/2014 3:22:10 PM PDT by Flag_This (Liberalism: Kills countries dead.)
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To: robowombat
No worries.. America has it's best eyes scouring our recon satellite imagery for this aircraft:


21 posted on 03/17/2014 3:23:26 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: robowombat
In order to get to Pakistan it would have to fly over or around India.

Seems hard to believe.

22 posted on 03/17/2014 3:23:50 PM PDT by McGruff (They say the first casualty of war is truth)
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To: Flag_This

That’s what we’ve been told. Unless it was ‘wheels down’ somewhere that it shouldn’t have been and the response hasn’t been calculated.

Dunno. It’s either that or a crash in a very remote area.

Or time travel and/or aliens. (j/k)


23 posted on 03/17/2014 3:24:01 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: robowombat

IIRC, General Thomas McInerney (Retired) said this it was in Pakiastan on the first or second day.


24 posted on 03/17/2014 3:24:41 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: cicero2k

slit the throats of a few passengers and I’ll bet no one would dare try to hang onto their phone.

I’ve wondered if the ELINT surveillance planes have been listening for any signals on the frequencies used by mobile devices, just on the chance that a whole sackful of ‘em got thrown overboard. However the odds of surviving a landing on water or land and still having any battery power by now are zero.


25 posted on 03/17/2014 3:26:00 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: WildHighlander57

Of interest.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303563304579445202957835142?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303563304579445202957835142.html%3Fmod%3DWSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories

Lack of Useful Radar Exposes Defense Weakness


26 posted on 03/17/2014 3:26:58 PM PDT by maggief
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To: yarddog

Well, since they were harboring Bin Laden...with apparently the knowledge of many people in their military...I wouldn’t put anything beyond them.

I don’t know a thing about flying, but from what I have read here, the plane really doesn’t need that long a runway. If you’re concerned about the passengers’ comfort, yes; but these passengers were either dead or more worried about survival than comfort, and I doubt that the pilot (who I think was the co-pilot) cared about either one. It’s harder to take off from a short runway, but evidently that can be done too.

I have seen many writers (who have to know more than I do!) say that Pakistan is worth considering, as well as the many other ‘Stans.

Don’t forget that Pakistan is a nuclear state.


27 posted on 03/17/2014 3:27:09 PM PDT by livius
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To: telstar12.5
gonna need a really LONG runway - I doubt dirt is gonna do

Depends on whether there's anything along the lines of the dry lakes at places like White Sands, Groom and Edwards where the plane went to.

Remember that they wouldn't really be looking at operating the aircraft from any such place on a routine basis. They'd land it, refuel and put whatever equipment/people/explosives they wanted to on board and then fly it out again to it's ultimate destination.

Also keep in mind that the landing and take-off distances being given are those within normal parameters for the aircraft, under the assumption that the intent is to maximize service life of the airframe and engines. If there's no intent to do such (ie the aircraft is going on a one-way trip), then the equipment can be pushed well-past it's established maximums/minimums.

For reference see post #64 in This FR thread which talks about a 737 (although it's quoted as being a 747) forced to dead-stick on a levee at NASA's Michaud Assembly Facility. To quote: "It turns out that an empty, lightly fueled, STRIPPED 747 (sic) can manage a takeoff roll in about 500 feet on emergency engine thrust"
28 posted on 03/17/2014 3:27:37 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: onyx

Hey, our ImPotus has good pals in Pock-ee-stahn, maybe he could just call ‘em up and ax ‘em?


29 posted on 03/17/2014 3:27:57 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: bigbob

LOL.
Thank you for the LOL.


30 posted on 03/17/2014 3:29:39 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“Different sources keep saying it landed, but there is a contingent of FReepers that insist it crashed into the ocean without a trace of debris or other evidence.”
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What goes MOST against an ocean crash or ditching is the fact that none of the robust (i.e., designed to survive the severest crash) “locator beacons” deployed and begin transmitting.


31 posted on 03/17/2014 3:30:36 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: robowombat

I’ve been saying for days that they should check Abbottabad - I hear there’s a big empty field near the military academy.

And if they are picking up a nuke, Pakistan is the place. The Norks and the Persians are just screwing around - Pakistan has real, big, hydrogen bombs.


32 posted on 03/17/2014 3:30:45 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. H)
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To: McGruff

Any chance that a country has developed stealth technology that could have hid it from radar?


33 posted on 03/17/2014 3:31:00 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: cicero2k

Everybody on the plane had a cell phone?


34 posted on 03/17/2014 3:31:07 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Broi)
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To: berdie

later


35 posted on 03/17/2014 3:31:14 PM PDT by berdie
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To: robowombat
. . . Pakistan dismissed the idea that a Boeing 777 could land undetected inside the country but promised to work with the Malaysian government in its search for the missing plane . . .

This would be the same Pakistan that insisted that Osama bin Ladin couldn't be hiding within its borders, right?
36 posted on 03/17/2014 3:31:48 PM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: babble-on

“I am strongly in the camp that believes that I don’t know what happened with the plane.”

I got here about 4 days ago. You forgot to bring beer!


37 posted on 03/17/2014 3:31:49 PM PDT by mark3681
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To: robowombat

>> “ a Boeing 777 requires a lengthy, 7,500-foot runway,” <<

BS!
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38 posted on 03/17/2014 3:32:44 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: easternsky

they all know where that plane is....you can’t move a muscle anymore without somebody watching you....with the satelite coverage and the drone coverage a large plane just does not go “missing”....


39 posted on 03/17/2014 3:33:52 PM PDT by cherry
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Everybody on the plane had a cell phone?

"We all have cell phones, so come on, let's get real."

40 posted on 03/17/2014 3:34:24 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: robowombat

But, the Pakistani’s already told us they never saw the plane..but, they also told us that Osama Bin Laden wasn’t hiding out in Pakistan so there ya go


41 posted on 03/17/2014 3:34:44 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: cicero2k

“Hard to believe that of the 239 cell phones on the plane, even with dead owners; not one has pinged on the ground or on the way to the ground.”

.....Perhaps they did PING and we’re not getting the story!


42 posted on 03/17/2014 3:34:51 PM PDT by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Elections have consequences - NOW LOOK what we have to deal with...)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
there is a contingent of FReepers that insist it crashed into the ocean without a trace of debris or other evidence.

If they went South and landed in an ocean where the average depth is 12,000 feet, they WOULD disappear without a trace and almost certainly never be found.

I'm not saying that's what they DID - just that a deep water crash would be very difficult to find.

43 posted on 03/17/2014 3:35:07 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. H)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

You can bet the IRS would know EXACTLY where this plane was if Conservatives were on board


44 posted on 03/17/2014 3:35:21 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: McGruff

“In order to get to Pakistan it would have to fly over or around India.

In order to get to Pakistan it would have to fly over or around India.”

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I believe I read the other day that an Indian general was interviewed and said they had their Indian Ocean facing military radar turned off at the time of the MH 370 flight.

I guess they had not been expecting an attack and wanted to conserve their operating funds.


45 posted on 03/17/2014 3:35:33 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: robowombat; maggief; Black Agnes; hoosiermama; null and void; crosslink

Second source at breitbart dot com....


46 posted on 03/17/2014 3:35:42 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: McGruff

There was a very good article posted earlier from an aviation magazine that suggested that 370 had simply dropped in behind a flight at the same time that was going to fly that arc from Singapore to Barcelona. It would not have been detected by radar and would have followed the Barcelona-bound flight to wherever it wanted to jump off along that arc in a place that was not monitored by India, China or the US (from Afghanistan).

This could be northern Pakistan, but I think it’s more likely to be one of the even more northerly ‘Stans or even somewhere in remote northern China. I think the final target is probably Russia or China and not the US, but on the other hand, it’s a long-haul plane and with enough fuel it could reach us.

A disclaimer...I know nothing about flying, and I’m just putting together my theory (which is certainly subject to change!) from what I read here and on other sites.


47 posted on 03/17/2014 3:36:03 PM PDT by livius
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To: cicero2k
Hard to believe that of the 239 cell phones on the plane, even with dead owners; not one has pinged on the ground or on the way to the ground.

I suppose if they were close enough to a cell tower they could get a call through, but not if they're more than 22-45 miles away.
48 posted on 03/17/2014 3:37:14 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: livius
Don’t forget that Pakistan is a nuclear state.

And don't forget that, together with Saudi Arabia, it is the main enemy.

49 posted on 03/17/2014 3:37:14 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. H)
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50 posted on 03/17/2014 3:37:21 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Support Free Republic!!!)
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