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Israel Prepares for Possible Attack by Hijacked Malaysian Plane
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Posted on 03/17/2014 3:19:03 PM PDT by BenLurkin

According to the Times of Israel, Israel's Channel 2 has revealed that Israeli air defenses have been boosted, and approaching civilian aircraft will be asked to identify themselves far earlier.

Though the flight was presumed at first to have crashed, whole or in pieces, into the ocean, passive satellite transmissions from the aircraft suggest that it made a deliberate course change and may have headed north into central Asia.

Pakistan has already said that the flight never registered on its radar, but at least one expert has suggested the flight could have landed in Bangladesh, whose air defenses presumably would be weaker.

Though the possibility that the Boeing 777 could be used in a terror attack is mere speculation, it is evidently being taken seriously by Israel.

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TOPICS: Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bangladesh; iran; israel; malaysia; mh370; pakistan; waronterror
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1 posted on 03/17/2014 3:19:03 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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If anybody shoots down an innocent airliner by mistake because of the Malaysia highjacking — the Muslims will be delighted.


2 posted on 03/17/2014 3:20:08 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

I spose folks notice that the Paki’s HAVE NUKES....!!!!


3 posted on 03/17/2014 3:26:11 PM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: BenLurkin; maggief; hoosiermama; LucyT; crosslink; null and void; MESHUGAMIKEY; Black Agnes

Thanks Ben lurking!

Pinging all y’all to this one! Second source!


4 posted on 03/17/2014 3:32:06 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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Thanks, WildHighlander57.

5 posted on 03/17/2014 3:37:11 PM PDT by LucyT (If you're NOT paranoid, you don't know what's going on.)
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To: BenLurkin
Everyone is watching....


6 posted on 03/17/2014 3:40:12 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: BenLurkin

A paint job and a knowledgeable pilot who can fake it well enough to disguise the airplane as a legitimate flight long enough to get close to an intended target is all it will take.

Even if it raises suspicions no one is going to shoot down a passenger airliner until/unless there is certainty that it is a hostile.

By that time it will probably be too late.


7 posted on 03/17/2014 3:40:29 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Albert Einstein: The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: BenLurkin
I think it's in the Bombay doors region.. nyuk nyuk

Anyway, why would someone need a big fat slug like a 777 to deliver a nuke? Filling it with conventional explosives and full of gas would do the trick, and a sports stadium full of people would make the perfect target.

8 posted on 03/17/2014 3:40:53 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: BenLurkin

bkm


9 posted on 03/17/2014 3:41:23 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Salamander

“As-I-was-saying-Ping”


10 posted on 03/17/2014 3:43:42 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: BenLurkin

When that other airliner disappeared about ten years ago (and was never seen again) - did Israel prepare the same way they are now?


11 posted on 03/17/2014 3:44:09 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: BenLurkin

I think there are much higher value targets to be had. The 777 would be the perfect weapon to take out one of our carriers. Start at high altitude and come barreling straight down, not much to do to stop it. I really don’t know much much good the escort ships could do shooting it down.
We have carriers in the med right now, with the Ukraine thing. And I wouldn’t put it past Putin if he were behind the whole thing, diversion, scapegoat, and all that.


12 posted on 03/17/2014 3:47:21 PM PDT by Ripliancum (Mosiah 29:27. Look it up.)
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To: Ripliancum

Agree. They have no chance of getting through Israeli airspace.

The US might be a little easier - apparently Air France and US Airways fly 777s and also fly to the US, so the plane could conceivably sneak in here here. But I’m not sure we’re the target now.

I think you’ll see Russia and China strengthening their defenses. If Barry weren’t such a Muslim wuss, he’d be reaching out to Putin about this. I think one of the things Russia has against us now is that we ignored their warning about the Boston bombing.


13 posted on 03/17/2014 3:51:50 PM PDT by livius
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To: BenLurkin
If anybody shoots down an innocent airliner by mistake because of the Malaysia highjacking — the Muslims will be delighted.

This belongs in the beyond ultimate dismal scenario.

Today, it is still not clear whether the U.S. would have shot down the 911 sandmaggot-hijacked planes, if the opportunity had presented itself to do so with minimal damage to anything on the ground. Had we done so, we would be having violent arguments to this day as to the moral justification for doing so.

The Israelis have no such luxury. Not knowing what the two-legged animals may have aboard a hijacked airliner in the way of WMDs makes it a given that they must shoot down any airliner which refuses to communicate with the ground, or refuses to be directed to a remote landing location. Doesn't matter if the captive passengers are all Israelis...

Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, Unicorns, the Minotaur and "moderate" muslims... all mythical beasts.

14 posted on 03/17/2014 4:09:16 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: BenLurkin
Ready . . Steady . .


             

15 posted on 03/17/2014 4:09:25 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: BenLurkin

“Pakistan has already said that the flight never registered on its radar...”

Pakistan had also said that Osama Bin Laden never set foot in Pakistan...


16 posted on 03/17/2014 4:16:28 PM PDT by exinnj
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To: shibumi

Great.

:-\


17 posted on 03/17/2014 4:20:01 PM PDT by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: publius911

Great Points (imho)


18 posted on 03/17/2014 4:22:06 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Range. That plane, full up, has a range of thousands of miles.
Payload. Stripped down, the plane can a potentially huge payload - and primitive nukes are pretty heavy. A simple one, like “Little Boy” would weigh five tons or more.
Stealth - As someone pointed out, an airliner will only be shot down with great reluctance. They can use the passengers as hostages, to boot.
The 777 would make a great “intercontinental cruise missile.”


19 posted on 03/17/2014 4:27:56 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Star Traveler

“When that other airliner disappeared about ten years ago (and was never seen again) - did Israel prepare the same way they are now?”

What airliner was that?


20 posted on 03/17/2014 4:38:54 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: BenLurkin

Don’t worry Israel, mac daddy said he will draw a red line and dare any nation to cross it and suffer dire circumstances such as another red line.

There another problem solved, phew that was stressful so he will need 2 weeks vacation at tax payers expense for a bargain cost of $150,000,000.00.


21 posted on 03/17/2014 4:40:16 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: Star Traveler
When that other airliner disappeared about ten years ago (and was never seen again) - did Israel prepare the same way they are now?

Things have improved somewhat in the last 80 years. In the art of aircraft design, communications and other useful technology.
Still, the "without a trace" modifier is overused; Those are a meaningful handful, in the "airliner" category, remarkable when considering the millions of airliner flights worldwide since 1945.

Here is one list :

Aircraft which have disappeared

22 posted on 03/17/2014 4:46:24 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: BenLurkin
It CAN be done.

Someone sent me another piece of information you should read. That's a really good theory. But there's problems when you try to match it with the
the arc graph (click on it for more detailed info) that shows the estimated range of the aircraft with it's remaining fuel IF it was flying at its MAXIMUM SPEED or 7 hours 30 minutes of fuel.

Now, from the article: My problem is ~ I don't know how accurate that Red Arc map is,
and I don't know whether to trust it or not.

I've been trying to match up the numbers on a "guess-ta-mated" flight path.

You can narrows down the search area if you take all the Satellite "Handshakes" into consideration for the search of runways/landing strips that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 could have landed on. The Way Point on the northwet side of her screen is "IGREX" on Jet Route "P628" where the heading changes to a more northerly direction 320 degrees to PORT BLAIR Navaid. That's a total airborne time of about 4 hours 40 minutes from takeoff.

The arc graph shows the estimated range of the aircraft with it's remaining fuel IF it was flying at its MAXIMUM SPEED or 7 hours 30 minutes of fuel.

Now, from the article:

That's 7 hours and 31 minutes after takeoff.
That leaves 2 Hours 50 minutes to travel from "IGREX" on Jet Route "P628 to an undefined point on that arc of 7 hours 30 minutes from takeoff.

Let's say that the pilot leans the engines out to get the most out of his fuel for distance with the remaining time for "IGREX" and gets 3 hours if time,
before he hits his 20 minutes safety margin on fuel and then starts to burn his 1 hour emergency fuel.
At maximum speed of Mach 0.89 (590 mph, 950 km/h, 512 knots) at a cruise altitude of 35,000 ft , that would allow him 1770 miles of distance (to the red arc), before hitting his reserves.

Let's assume that since he stayed on the Jet Routes, he continued to stay on the Jet Routes.

Now take that information and the arc ping map (important to view this map at this link for more details) along with the jet route map, and you can find possible links.

Now I run the numbers on the Jet Routes starting from "IGREX" on Jet Route "P628" and starting subtotaling for a target of 1770 Nautical Miles.
Take a look from SkyVector.com.
Ponder that.
23 posted on 03/17/2014 4:48:53 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Ripliancum
I think there are much higher value targets to be had. The 777 would be the perfect weapon to take out one of our carriers. Start at high altitude and come barreling straight down, not much to do to stop it.

Don't be silly.
Airliners are not designed and built to be "dive bombers," going straight down.

You're right, thought. There's not much that could stop it, other than gravity, structural strains and probable structural failure and disintegration.
Makes it impossible actually to hit the intended target.

24 posted on 03/17/2014 4:51:08 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: Yosemitest

Interesting analysis.

They could then have used another number after refueling to head somewhere else. And may use yet another number (of a plane they take down with a stinger missile??) when they are ready to attack.


25 posted on 03/17/2014 4:55:50 PM PDT by edwinland
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To: livius

Agreeing with every word.


26 posted on 03/17/2014 4:58:12 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Iron Munro

“A paint job “

As a FReepeer posted yesterday, beware of any 777 with an Earl Scheib paint job.


27 posted on 03/17/2014 5:03:06 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: publius911

That’s not really a list of the kind I’m talking about. They do list the “one” that I was talking about, along with a mishmash of other “disasters” ...


28 posted on 03/17/2014 5:06:31 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: BenLurkin

All aircarft even going NEAR Israel will have to transmit IFF codes, plus there will be ways to detect if another aircraft is “in the baffles” or rear blind spot, like a SIMULATED refueling position.

Still urks me FReepers who get all weeeed up because a 777 CANNOT mid air refuel.

But it can play like it wants to FRiends....


29 posted on 03/17/2014 5:11:40 PM PDT by Spartan302
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To: Star Traveler
"When that other airliner disappeared about ten years ago (and was never seen again) - did Israel prepare the same way they are now?"-Star Traveler

Don't know. But this certainly adds the possibility of there being multiple planes masquerading to confuse defenses.


30 posted on 03/17/2014 5:15:06 PM PDT by wtd
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To: ought-six

2003: Boeing 727
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/13/world/aviation-mysteries/


31 posted on 03/17/2014 5:16:01 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: edwinland

I’d guess they stayed in the hanger long enough for a new paint job to dry.


32 posted on 03/17/2014 5:20:20 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

This is highly plausible and would explain some of these radical changes in its course ...


33 posted on 03/17/2014 5:20:38 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

No wonder no one ever heard of that one. A company airplane with just a crew and maybe one passenger. Still, a 727 is not a small airplane. However, if it crashed in the jungle, it could explain why it has not been located. They are still finding WWII bombers in New Guinea.


34 posted on 03/17/2014 5:28:03 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: BenLurkin

Good idea


35 posted on 03/17/2014 5:33:09 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: ought-six

Maybe the pilot went total bizzaro and tried to fly all the way to Antarctica, lands the plane on a glacier and then starts praying outside at -80F.

I would be laughing my ass off forever if it was found that AQ and its devout ROP members sent a ship with fuel to some tabular glacier, set up beacons, landing lights, a hut or even an enclosure for the 777, all the right gear to get it warmed up later and back in the air.

A polar base, just like something out of a Nazi sci fi thriller.

Muslims on ice, ouch I am already feeling like busting a gut about the total absurdity of it, and also fully aware that the ROP is so desperate it will seriously attempt such a scheme if it promises a place with 72 virgins.


36 posted on 03/17/2014 5:37:15 PM PDT by Spartan302
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To: Spartan302

Pakistan makes more sense than Antarctica.


37 posted on 03/17/2014 5:49:21 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Iron Munro

Out of radar range just fly up under a legitimate scheduled flight, remaining a hundred feet or so directly below it. Monitor that aircraft’s comm with ATC to anticipate changes in assigned altitude & heading so that you are prepared to mimic turns and climbs/descents.

Do it at night and the paint job will not matter. Do it during daylight and it will not matter until you are too close for anyone (outside of a military target with close-in air defense) to do anything about you.


38 posted on 03/17/2014 6:05:14 PM PDT by BwanaNdege
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To: BwanaNdege

Time to install some rear view and under carriage cameras.

I would say truckers mirrors but being a concrete mixer driver those too have blind spots, plus they are not very aerodynamic.

By all means FAA, install cameras!
get a radar in the ASS of your planes, not yours!


39 posted on 03/17/2014 6:08:18 PM PDT by Spartan302
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To: publius911

No unidentified plane would get near enough to a Battle group to be a threat even if it was suicidal, it would be seen early on and shot down before it was anywhere near the Carrier.


40 posted on 03/17/2014 6:24:51 PM PDT by X-FID
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To: publius911

Well yes, when I say straight down, I mean as straight down as a full speed 777 can do. It would still be an incredibly fast descent if done on purpose and not much could stop it given the lower profile.


41 posted on 03/17/2014 6:27:30 PM PDT by Ripliancum (Mosiah 29:27. Look it up.)
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Thank you Yosemitest, for the excellent, detailed post!

All y’all, ping to this post!


42 posted on 03/17/2014 6:38:05 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: X-FID

Most likely yes, but what a juicy target for our enemies. A plane as big as that could certainly do fatal damage to a carrier. The low odds might be enough if they thought they could pull it off, relying on inertia and luck after being hit with missiles to hit the target.


43 posted on 03/17/2014 6:42:59 PM PDT by Ripliancum (Mosiah 29:27. Look it up.)
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To: Ripliancum

A plane that big would destroy a Carrier if it could get in a certain position to pull it off, and if filled with explosives would be shot by fighters miles away and make a spectacular display, but at least the mystery would be solved once and for all.


44 posted on 03/17/2014 7:05:46 PM PDT by X-FID
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To: Iron Munro

Time to watch container ships.


45 posted on 03/17/2014 8:32:23 PM PDT by ebshumidors
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To: MayflowerMadam

They are all Earl Scheib paintjobs. 30 yrs acft maint. Where’s the fuel truck ticket?


46 posted on 03/17/2014 8:39:21 PM PDT by ebshumidors
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To: Iron Munro
Even if it raises suspicions no one is going to shoot down a passenger airliner until/unless there is certainty that it is a hostile.

Didn't China shoot down a passenger jet a few years go?

47 posted on 03/17/2014 8:43:40 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is)
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To: X-FID

It wouldn’t need to be filled with explosives. If it went full throttle down from 40k feet it would do the job on it’s own. Heck, fill the cabin with as much hardened steel as it could lift and it would punch a hole right through all the decks.

The chinese supposedly have a carrier killer high altitude warhead that does same thing using inertia, no explosive.


48 posted on 03/17/2014 9:22:00 PM PDT by Ripliancum (Mosiah 29:27. Look it up.)
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49 posted on 03/18/2014 4:47:14 AM PDT by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we don’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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To: MayflowerMadam
As a FReepeer posted yesterday, beware of any 777 with an Earl Scheib paint job.

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50 posted on 03/18/2014 5:36:18 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Albert Einstein: The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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