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Jack Daniel's opposes changing Tenn. whiskey law
Associated Press ^ | March 17, 2014

Posted on 03/17/2014 8:04:59 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement

NASHVILLE, Tenn. – If it isn't fermented in Tennessee from mash of at least 51 percent corn, aged in new charred oak barrels, filtered through maple charcoal and bottled at a minimum of 80 proof, it isn't Tennessee whiskey. So says a year-old law that resembles almost to the letter the process used to make Jack Daniel's, the world's best-known Tennessee whiskey.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: jack; whiskey

1 posted on 03/17/2014 8:05:00 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: ConservativeStatement

It’s hard to know where business stops and government begins. They seem to meld together these days.


2 posted on 03/17/2014 8:08:18 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy
It’s hard to know where business stops and government begins.

You ain't just whistling dixie.
3 posted on 03/17/2014 8:13:13 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Indeed - the city boundaries of Smithfield, VA have been a battleground for years. Now Smithfield Hams is owned by the Chinese - I wish they'd make the boundaries contiguous with the entire state.

I have no dog in this Tennessee question - I drink Single Malt Scotch and an occasional Irish whiskey - I'm enjoying a Jameson this evening for St. Patrick's Day.



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4 posted on 03/17/2014 8:13:14 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1<center> <table back969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Jack’s got juice.


5 posted on 03/17/2014 8:14:10 PM PDT by shove_it (my real nickname is Otter)
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To: ConservativeStatement

ackk,,,jack daniels.
I have to lick my ass to get the taste out of my mouth


6 posted on 03/17/2014 8:16:13 PM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and build a bakken pipe line)
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To: ConservativeStatement

crony capitalism....

that said, the French do it with wine and hence in the US you find sparkling wines made by methods rather than actual champagne


7 posted on 03/17/2014 8:16:28 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: shove_it
Gentleman Jack

One of my favorites!

Don't change a thing!

8 posted on 03/17/2014 8:18:08 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Jack is a special brand. I also got a bottle of this, mentioned in the article, at a cheap discount near Christmas time: "Spirits that don't follow those guidelines can't be sold as bourbon. One example is Brown-Forman's own Early Times, which is marketed as a "Kentucky whisky" because it is made in reused barrels"
9 posted on 03/17/2014 8:19:24 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09.")
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To: ConservativeStatement

Filtering their whiskey through charcoal, as is done with Tennessee whiskey is a shortcut. It produces fine whiskey, but is the major distinction between Tennessee whiskey and bourbon whiskey.

Jack Daniels has fallen behind some of the top shelf bourbons being crafted in Kentucky, but also elsewhere as bourbon need not be distilled in Kentucky and certainly not in Bourbon County. Dickel is not in the race, in my view.

The market does work in this world. While I can’t find and probably can’t afford a bottle of Pappy Van Winkle, I can and do buy it’s cousin, Weller’s - a great bargain and hard to distinguish in a side by side test with Pappy.


10 posted on 03/17/2014 8:20:00 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: ConservativeStatement

“Laws, Laws, Laws...” Ain’t there enough of them, now?


11 posted on 03/17/2014 8:20:39 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: ConservativeStatement

Oh, yeehaw.

If a wine is produced in California, it qualifies to be a California wine. But in Tennessee the beverage needs to be Jack Daniels style to be a Tennessee whiskey.

And so be it, if it must. Maybe Jack Daniels will find itself with a crop of newcomers that will actually beat it.


12 posted on 03/17/2014 8:21:32 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: centurion316

Re: Weller’s.

I will look for that in the future.


13 posted on 03/17/2014 8:22:48 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09.")
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To: ConservativeStatement
There IS a difference between new and used barrels.

The wood lends to the color and characteristics of a distilled spirit. At bottom, the quality of the wood lends to the quality of the product.

By law, calling a whiskey 'bourbon' requires that it be aged in virgin barrels. As the article notes, Early Times re-uses barrels and, thus, cannot call itself 'bourbon' -- it's label reads "Kentucky whiskey". And they employ artificial coloring agents and flavors to keep the color and taste consistent from one batch to the next.

You want whiskey aged in re-used barrels? All scots whisky is -- the wood has little to do with the flavor or the color of scotch.

Indeed, the scots whisky distilleries pay a premium for used Jack Daniel's barrels.

Tennessee would be making a huge mistake to relax the rules for "Tennessee whiskey".

14 posted on 03/17/2014 8:25:29 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01

Early Times is, excuse the pun, bottom of the barrel then?


15 posted on 03/17/2014 8:28:18 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09.")
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To: ConservativeStatement

I am pretty sure I saw somewhere that Jack Daniels is made in a dry county.


16 posted on 03/17/2014 8:29:56 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: South Dakota

Dang, so you only drank it, one time? “Have..” would imply a multitude of such tastings. At least your bottom is clean. Thank Jack D., or make your own non-butt likker. I’m from Nord Dakota, the south whiskies are kinda nice.


17 posted on 03/17/2014 8:32:31 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: okie01
The wood lends to the color and characteristics of a distilled spirit.

Absolutely true. Of course, it also true that, historically, some makers of spirits have included additives. There is a story of a producer of Scotch whisky who was stringent about quality. The result was a pale, straw-colored spirit. Critics were unhappy -- "Why is your whisky so pale?" they asked.

"Why is my competitor's so dark?" he replied.

18 posted on 03/17/2014 8:35:02 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ConservativeStatement
Early Times is, excuse the pun, bottom of the barrel then?

That would be one way saying it, I suppose...:)

19 posted on 03/17/2014 8:47:25 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: yarddog

“...Jack Daniels is made in a dry county...”

Yes, and when I was a student at Western Kentucky University Bourbon County was dry and Christian County was wet.


20 posted on 03/17/2014 9:03:03 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: centurion316

I agree! I like Weller’s and Jack Daniels equally, and Weller’s is a bit less expensive.


21 posted on 03/17/2014 9:25:24 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Monterrosa-24

The Wet County politicians and liquor stores usually finance the political campaigns of the dry county politicians.


22 posted on 03/17/2014 9:26:25 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: centurion316

I tried making “redneck creme brulee” tonight after dinner.

Chilled Jell-O butterscotch pudding, sprinkled with a tablespoon or so of granulated sugar and soaked in an equal amount of Woodford Reserve, then set ablaze.

Results: not bad. Might need a higher proof to actually melt the sugar. Flavor of WR complements the butterscotch pudding nicely.


23 posted on 03/17/2014 9:38:34 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Kansas58
The Wet County politicians and liquor stores usually finance the political campaigns of the dry county politicians.

Just as the bootleggers used to finance the Baptist candidates when Oklahoma was dry.

Paid my way through three years of college by running booze to the campus. That March night the referendum passed, I thought my world had ended.

24 posted on 03/17/2014 9:39:15 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Kansas58

When I was a kid in Ky., the ballot calling for the switch from a dry county to a wet county was the only time when you would see the bootleggers and preachers join forces, to keep the county dry.


25 posted on 03/17/2014 9:44:23 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: ConservativeStatement

If the panties don’t drop after two shots of corn mash and pure Smokey Mountain water................


26 posted on 03/17/2014 10:24:39 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: thecodont

My dad used to say, “You’ve taken two good things and made one bad one out of them.”


27 posted on 03/17/2014 11:42:16 PM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: South Dakota

Post #6 ROFL


28 posted on 03/18/2014 4:15:19 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (15 years of FReeping! Congratulations EEE!!)
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To: centurion316

-——Dickel is not in the race——

Is Dickel not allowed to be Tennessee Whisky?

I would think the law is to remove the Tennessee label form the various moonshine being produced and sold now.

BTW. Jack Daniels is meant to be sipped straight out of the bottle with perhaps a splash of water


29 posted on 03/18/2014 4:28:42 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: centurion316

You have it completely backwards. The charcoal barrels cost as much as $600 to make. They mellow the whiskey and give it color. They also add to the distinct sour mash flavor in which you can taste hints of caramel, oak, vanilla, etc.

Dickel is an amazing Tennessee Whisky. I is not mass marketed but oh my goodness what flavor.

Kentucky bourbons use a quite inferior process and it tastes like it.


30 posted on 03/18/2014 5:29:40 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: AdamBomb

You are confused, my friend. New, charred oak barrels are required by federal law for all bourbon whiskey made in this country. Federal Law:

The Federal Standards of Identity for Distilled Spirits (27 C.F.R. 5) state that bourbon made for U.S. consumption must be:

Produced in the United States

made from a grain mixture that is at least 51% corn

aged in new, charred oak barrels

distilled to no more than 160 (U.S.) proof (80% alcohol by volume)

entered into the barrel for aging at no more than 125 proof (62.5% alcohol by volume)and be

bottled (like other whiskeys) at 80 proof or more (40% alcohol by volume).

Almost all whiskey made in Tennessee qualifies by law a straight bourbon. Tennessee law currently requires the use of the Lincoln County process (filtering through charcoal) in order to be labeled Tennessee whiskey. Pritchard’s has an exemption from this law.

As a general statement, Tennessee whiskey is bourbon, but not all bourbon can be called Tennessee whiskey. If you like it, drink it and enjoy.


31 posted on 03/18/2014 6:30:46 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

Tennessee Whiskey is NOT bourbon. Moreover Jack Daniels is the number 1 selling whiskey in America. There is a reason for that. Kentucky can flood the market with hundreds of inferior bourbons but it doesn’t matter. The lincoln county process used by Jack Daniels and George Dickel make Tennessee whiskey the very best.

Btw. Both companies would argue to the death that their whiskeys are NOT bourbon. It is Tennessee sipping whiskey. DICKEL refers to itself as “whisky”

Goof luck Kentucky. You cant beat our whiskey or shine made up on the mountain in east Tennessee.

George Jones wrote a song “You’re as smooth as Tennessee whiskey....” Merle Haggard used to endorse George Dickel.


32 posted on 03/18/2014 6:48:21 PM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: South Dakota

I laughed!


33 posted on 03/18/2014 6:52:14 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: AdamBomb
Tennessee Whiskey is NOT bourbon

They can call it gator aid if they want to, but it meets the legal reqiurements for bourbon. Most bourbons do not meet the legal requirements for Tennessee whiskey, so they cannot claim to be. I'm not sure that they care, but that how it all shakes out from a legal perspective.

I haven't cared that much for Jack Daniels since they started watering it down, but it's a good product. Pritchard's is as good as it gets in the whiskey world. Sales alone do not a great whiskey make and I let my pallet take me where it wants to go. My current favorite is J. W. Weller, much cheaper than Pappy Van Winkle, but hard to distinguish. If you like the Tennessee products, buy them and drink them and enjoy life.

34 posted on 03/18/2014 7:49:15 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

You r right. Pick the one that pleases your pallet and enjoy. Honestly I love Dickel #12. Just love it. Cheers


35 posted on 03/18/2014 7:53:24 PM PDT by AdamBomb
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