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Former Top Putin Advisor Sounds The Alarm: Putin Has Already Declared War On Kiev
Forbes ^ | March 17, 2014 | By Paul Roderick Gregory Contributor

Posted on 03/17/2014 8:39:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Andrei Illarionov, formerly Vladimir Putin’s top economic advisor (and personal envoy to the G8) , has warned in an interview with Ukrainian television that Putin has already declared war on Kiev. Putin’s war is being conducted by Russian Spetsnaz (special operations) forces and KGB (now called FSB) agents and is aimed at toppling the pro-Western government in Kiev. The Spetsnaz forces’ orders include the sowing of civil unrest throughout Ukraine via strikes, demonstrations, staged incidents, and street battles. Putin’s subversive forces will also gin up neo-Nazi incidents with Nazi regalia and Swastikas on full display. Their orders include as well the deliberate killing of Russian soldiers and of ethnic Russian civilians to prove the hatred and extremism of radical Ukrainian nationalists. These orders come from Putin himself. Their goal is to create an image of intolerable chaos and loss of civil authority to justify a Russian takeover of all Ukraine. Putin’s goal is the destruction of pro-Western authority in Ukraine, the total humiliation of the West, and a makeover of the geopolitical balance.

Illiaronov’s urgent advice to Ukraine: Place all your effort into preserving civil order and avoid falling for the Spetsnaz provocations. (This will be difficult as Spetsnaz-organized gangs are already storming public buildings in East Ukraine). Ukrainian authorities must immediately close all borders with Russia to slow the infiltration of Spetsnaz and FSB destabilization units. Ukrainian TV and radio must immediately broadcast all their news in Russian or in English because many Ukrainian citizens and Russians do not understand Ukrainian.

Illarianov pleads that the whole world understand what Putin is up to. A Putin success in taking over Ukraine would change Europe and the balance of power and lead to further “restorations” of the former Soviet Union...

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: crimea; obama; ptin; putinistas; putinsbuttboys; russia; surrendermonkeys; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
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1 posted on 03/17/2014 8:39:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

With the current events; I wonder if Germany now sees the foolishness in their decision to shut down their nuclear power plants ?
They planned on cheap energy including Russian supplies; and their green nonsense.


2 posted on 03/17/2014 8:44:21 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Yes he has - and with the pathetic simulacrum now occupying the WH, he will win that war before Easter.

Of course, the MSM is devoting all of its coverage to Flight 370 - how convenient! We are well on our way to being undone by Obama - I only hope that the damage can be undone!



America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

O stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians that we lie here, obedient to their command.

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

3 posted on 03/17/2014 8:45:41 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1<center> <table back969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Well, it’s a good thing we have such a strong president of our own in these challenging times. If push comes to shove, he’s ready to do whatever is necessary to appologize for American imperialism.


4 posted on 03/17/2014 8:52:57 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Jim Robinson

You have to understand three things about Putin and the Former USSR:

1. The Collapse of the USSR was staged, or at least planned
2. The Russians always had a contingency plan for what is happening now in Ukraine, if they lost control of key posts in the government.
3. Russia had always planned on putting back together the USSR at a later date of their choosing. The events in Ukraine this time were such that violent force is required to bring it back into the fold of the USSR, similar to the Hungarian revolt of 1956.

Reasons that this is true:
1. All the communist parties are backing Russia on this.
2. International ANSWER and other antiwar groups are backing Russia
3. Obama’s feckless, inept, and irresponsible response to this crisis borders on treason.
4. Russia’s management of their allies, telling them to keep their distance until the time is right (Eg China and Belarus).


5 posted on 03/17/2014 8:54:20 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Jim Robinson

” - - - we are already in a cold war, whether we want to recognize it or not. - - - “

Lucky for us we have a CIC who is a Nobel Peace Prize winner who looks like an ass when he leads from behind.

FORWARD !


6 posted on 03/17/2014 8:55:03 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Graewoulf

“Lucky for us we have a CIC who is a Nobel Peace Prize winner who looks like an ass when he leads from behind.”

Wolf, that’s only true for those who fail to be impressed by mom jeans.


7 posted on 03/17/2014 8:57:02 PM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks. Saw evidence of this effort on Twitter, but it was unclear how organized.

This clarifies it.


8 posted on 03/17/2014 8:57:47 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Considering it was the neo-Nazis that took down the former government along with some IMF thugs supported by Obama, I question the purpose of this article by Forbes. The IMF wanted the Ukrainian banks, and they started this mess, not Putin. And they picked the right time, right when Putin’s hands were tied up with the Olympics and he couldn’t make a move to stop them.


9 posted on 03/17/2014 9:01:10 PM PDT by Ms. Blunt
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To: Jim Robinson
"The Spetsnaz forces’ orders include the sowing of civil unrest throughout Ukraine via strikes, demonstrations, staged incidents, and street battles."

Well, that sounds exactly like the tactics employed last month by our client revolutionaries who toppled the previous Kiev regime. Of course, it's not wrong when we do it.

10 posted on 03/17/2014 9:02:08 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Jim Robinson
" Ukrainian TV and radio must immediately broadcast all their news in Russian or in English because many Ukrainian citizens and Russians do not understand Ukrainian. "

HUH?!

Ukrainians in Ukraine do not understand Ukrainian?? What kind of BS is this?

Ukrainians in Ukraine have to know russian, but russians in Ukraine do not have to know Ukrainian?

So why was there such an uproar about Ukrainians wanting their laws written in Ukrainian? obviously it was just an excuse for russians to destroy Ukraine.

11 posted on 03/17/2014 9:02:56 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: KC_Lion; GeronL; nuconvert; txhurl

Ping.


12 posted on 03/17/2014 9:03:26 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Jim Robinson

Fast and Furious to a purpose.


13 posted on 03/17/2014 9:07:09 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I hear that a lot of folks are preparing for Jesus to come over all this mess that Obbabble Lips is putting the U.S. in by his foolish talking. Sounds like a good idea to me.


14 posted on 03/17/2014 9:07:50 PM PDT by TEARUNNER14 (When you get older you pray your human plumbing will function well.)
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To: Always A Marine

Egypt. Libya. Syria.

“War is a racket.”


15 posted on 03/17/2014 9:09:34 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here.)
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To: Ms. Blunt
Additionally it has overtones of Zimbabwe emerging - from what I have read only ethnic Ukrainians can own land. They plan to take all the land and give some of it back to only ethnic ( must have born there ) Ukrainians. With government stipulations. 'It's not really your land, it belongs to Ukraine but you can use and keep it in your family until you violate one of our rules'.

But even that is not enough if you are Jewish or dark skinned - that rules you out for that ethnic label.

I see Putin says the Svoboda guy fought with the chechens and has effectively issued a warrant for his and his buddies arrest. You can't beat Putin at chess or unique ways to solve a problem.

16 posted on 03/17/2014 9:10:31 PM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: Jim Robinson

I don’t doubt Moscow has instigated a covert war in Ukraine. It carries fewer costs for the Kremlin than an outright invasion. And Vladimir Putin as a judo champion, understands the best way to defeat an opponent is to turn his strength against himself.

That is what makes him such a dangerous adversary: he has successfully married 19th Century Great Power goals with 21st Century stealth warfare. And we’re not even playing in his league. He is always ahead of the West which is belatedly playing catch-up in a futile bid to contain him.


17 posted on 03/17/2014 9:12:40 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jim Robinson

The Real Red Dawn.


18 posted on 03/17/2014 9:14:51 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: MarMema

WHere did you read this? Links?


19 posted on 03/17/2014 9:16:23 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

In places like Donetsk, Dnepropetrovsk and Lugansk, there is hardly a word of Ukrainian spoken. Even ethnic Ukrainians there are by and large Russophones. Its an entirely different world from the rest of Ukraine.


20 posted on 03/17/2014 9:17:14 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Army Air Corps

It’s not like the US or EU could or would do anything about it


21 posted on 03/17/2014 9:19:34 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Ms. Blunt

“The IMF wanted the Ukrainian banks, and they started this mess”

Not quite correct....

We KNOW that the Ukraine was destabilized by Open Society NGO’s, with the help of the Obama Administration’s Ambassador to Europe, using the same strategy they have used to cause chaos in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, and Syria.

Remember, Russia has been warning for a couple of years now that “Certain people in the West” were trying to destabilize Eastern Europe for “nefarious means”. Russia has even gone so far as to expel USAID, and the Open Society NGO’s a year ago.

The Russians knew this was coming, and the only people surprised that Putin did act when Ukraine finally fell apart are the Western Press, that have been too busy licking Obama’s shoes to dare print anything that might make him look like a foreign policy fool.

Crimea is too important to Russia, historically and economically, to allow it to be cut off permanently, which was possible with the new “leadership” in Ukraine.


22 posted on 03/17/2014 9:22:07 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: goldstategop

Sounds like California, Mexico


23 posted on 03/17/2014 9:22:38 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Thunder90

Russia is pursuing Great Power goals - Communism is dead as an ideology but Russian nationalism is very much alive. There is a sense that Russia is different from the rootless and decadent West. Putin’s Russia is confident of its own strength that was never true of the late USSR. Russia is still the largest country in the world. And the West has never been able to really subdue it though both Napoleon and Hitler tried and failed.


24 posted on 03/17/2014 9:23:32 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jim Robinson
Andrei Illarionov, formerly Vladimir Putin’s top economic advisor (and personal envoy to the G8) , has warned in an interview with Ukrainian television that Putin has already declared war on Kiev. Putin’s war is being conducted by Russian Spetsnaz (special operations) forces and KGB (now called FSB) agents and is aimed at toppling the pro-Western government in Kiev. The Spetsnaz forces’ orders include the sowing of civil unrest throughout Ukraine via strikes, demonstrations, staged incidents, and street battles. Putin’s subversive forces will also gin up neo-Nazi incidents with Nazi regalia and Swastikas on full display. Their orders include as well the deliberate killing of Russian soldiers and of ethnic Russian civilians to prove the hatred and extremism of radical Ukrainian nationalists.

And folks will believe it.

I wish Ukrainians the best.

25 posted on 03/17/2014 9:23:44 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: KC_Lion; Norm Lenhart

War Never Changes Ping.


26 posted on 03/17/2014 9:25:09 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: goldstategop

The West is weak, morally and spiritually, and Russia is filling the void. It’s not pleasant to contemplate, but there it is. Solzhenitsyn tried to warn us.


27 posted on 03/17/2014 9:25:45 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Psalm 144
"War is a racket."

"War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives."
Smedley D. Butler, MajGen, USMC (Ret.), Medal of Honor (x2)
War is a Racket (1935)

28 posted on 03/17/2014 9:25:52 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: goldstategop
Russia is pursuing Great Power goals - Communism is dead as an ideology but Russian nationalism is very much alive.

It's more than just nationalism. Nationalism in and of itself isn't a bad thing. It's a tyranny that's very much alive.

29 posted on 03/17/2014 9:27:02 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Ms. Blunt
"...neo-Nazis..." Really? You paint with a broad brush. Putler (as he is called in Ukraine) is the Nazi and Yanukovych is the thug. These are their victims. YushchenkoB4andAfterDioxin photo YushchenkoB4afterDioxin_zps068bc775.jpg KievProtests2014Ukraine photo kyiv-protestsyy_zpse94ab15c.jpg UkraineWomenBiathlonTeam photo UkainianFemaleBiathlonTeam_zps91770cc0.jpg Protests2014_Kiev_Ukraine photo kiev-protests_zps4cb08aaf.jpg Tymoshenko and Klitschko photo TymoshenkoandKlitschko_zps7e31e399.jpg
30 posted on 03/17/2014 9:27:22 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Girlene
Here are some..

patriot/svoboda

svoboda

Russia Opens Criminal Case against Svoboda Leader Oleg Tyagnibok

Miroshnychenko also called the Ukrainian-born American film actress Mila Kunis a “dirty Jewess.”
More at the above link about skin color and neo-nazi same old ethnic worship and hatred, esp toward the Jews. So sad, it's all been done before...

I will go back through my previous posts to find the one that talked about nationalizing all the land and returning it to only ethnic Ukrainians..

31 posted on 03/17/2014 9:28:36 PM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: goldstategop

Very much like the former Czechoslovakia, little Slovak spoken in Prague, and little Czech spoken in Bratislava......But they worked it out.


32 posted on 03/17/2014 9:31:32 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Girlene
Farmlands are to be state-owned and given to farmers in hereditary use

Still looking for the other link though.

33 posted on 03/17/2014 9:32:19 PM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: Jim Robinson
Stalin's forced Famine. 7 million Ukrainians starved to death.

Hitler's Generalplan Ost. 5 million ethnic Ulkrainians and 1 million Jews exterminated in Ukraine.

The Soviet Union and communism.

Then 22 years of indendence.

Now Putin "Declares War".

With Crimea "gone", Ukraine is about 80% ethnic Ukrainian.

I wish them the best.

34 posted on 03/17/2014 9:34:06 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: dfwgator

and they love pork.


35 posted on 03/17/2014 9:39:14 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Girlene
link here, Telegraph
36 posted on 03/17/2014 9:43:39 PM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: MarMema
Moscow and Russia have plenty of skinheads and Nazis of their own but it would be wrong to say they control the streets just like it is very wrong to say that Ukrainian "thugs" or "Nazis" control the streets. This pic shows the Moscow variety: SkinheadsNationalistsMoscow2013 photo SkinheadsNationalistsMoscow2013_zps236e9a9b.jpg
37 posted on 03/17/2014 9:43:39 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: FreeReign

You may want to wish that for the 20% who don’t meet the ethnic Ukrainian standard, esp if they are Jewish.
It doesn’t look good for them. At best they will be second-class citizens.


38 posted on 03/17/2014 9:45:23 PM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: dfwgator
There's not much difference, it's like speaking high German and low. I suspect it's the almost the same with the Ukrainian and Russian ‘languages’.
39 posted on 03/17/2014 9:45:59 PM PDT by duckln
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To: Monterrosa-24
In Ukraine they are holding very high government positions however and making policy based on their neo-nazi thinking.

Big difference. Putin would never allow that in Russia.

40 posted on 03/17/2014 9:46:27 PM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: duckln

The little I know is that Slovak, is closer to Polish than Czech.


41 posted on 03/17/2014 9:46:59 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: FreeReign
"...I wish them the best..." The Ukraine can play more than just a victim role. Gene Tunney was an interesting sports story because he was rather intellectual for a boxer. But an even more interesting sports story is Vitali Klitschko and his influence outside the ring. Vitali Klitschko photo Vitali-Klitschko_zps2c1e611f.jpg
42 posted on 03/17/2014 9:52:57 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: MarMema

“...Putin would never allow that in Russia...”

Putin is a complete fascist himself.


43 posted on 03/17/2014 9:55:28 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Ultranationalism + Socialism = Fascism

What is more descriptive of Putin’s government than that? He even has his brown shirts (Night Wolves Bikers). Yet he wants to frighten the west by pointing out neo-Nazis who, in fact, exist in the Ukraine but don’t control the government. Putin’s play book isn’t original but it does seem to be working in the absence of any western leadership worth the name.

We’ve got a president who can’t be bothered to attend his own national security council meetings let alone provide any leadership.


44 posted on 03/17/2014 9:58:01 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: duckln

Ukrainian is considered a bastardized and rustic form of Russian. Native Russian speakers don’t bother learning it.


45 posted on 03/17/2014 10:02:57 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Girlene
OK the party of the president

"only citizens of Ukraine will have the right to private ownership of land, but "high concentration of land in one hand" will not be allowed."

46 posted on 03/17/2014 10:04:09 PM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: Monterrosa-24

He is rather fascist - in fact he really is, now that I ponder it more. Russia leans farther right than we do currently.


47 posted on 03/17/2014 10:05:06 PM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: JimSEA

Actually they do have a great degree of control in the new Ukraine government. It’s all out there, just google and read.
They have significant positions of power and authority.


48 posted on 03/17/2014 10:06:23 PM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: Jim Robinson

While in the US most see the expansion of Russia is based on its expansion of its energy products. Curiously the other half of reporting of circumstances within Ukrainia itself has been agenda driven even by so called western european sources which are siding with Russian claims.

One “authority” discussing an article in the UK Telegraph interviewed by John Batchelor on his nationwide syndicated show heard 3/15 at10 pm on Detroit’s WJR am 760. Went as far as to blame Catholics for the civil unrest. Was dismissive of the corruption occuring by not even mentioning it, or the Unkrainian Duma maitaining its constitutional authority to remove its PM. Accepting the invasion as a deja vu fait accompli. Not certain if this person was the one who presented the article and from the Telegraph or from the NY Times. But this is the b/s we are getting.


49 posted on 03/17/2014 10:09:41 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: goldstategop

My wife admitted being embarrassed when her grandmother spoke Ukrainian mixed with Russian because it was like being a peasant from a village in eastern Ukraine. She lived in a larger town: Alchevsk. It was the very rural people out on the steppe who still spoke Ukrainian in the DonBass. Of course there would be more ethnic Ukrainians if so many had not been killed or sent to places like Solovki.


50 posted on 03/17/2014 10:09:49 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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