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Florida Senate Rules Committee: Call to an Article V Amendment Convention.
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Posted on 03/18/2014 2:32:32 AM PDT by Jacquerie

The Rules Committee of the Florida Senate will take up SM476 this coming Thursday, March 20th at 10:30 AM.

SM476 is an application to Congress for an Article V state amendment convention:

Be It Resolved by the Legislature of the State of Florida:

(1) That the Legislature of the State of Florida does hereby make application to Congress pursuant to Article V of the Constitution of the United States to call an Article V convention for the sole purpose of proposing amendments to the Constitution of the United States which:

(a) Impose fiscal restraints on the Federal Government.
(b) Limit the power and jurisdiction of the Federal Government.
(c) Limit the terms of office for federal officials and members of Congress.

(2) That these three proposed amendment categories are severable from one another and may be counted individually toward the required two-thirds number of applications made by the state legislatures for the calling of an Article V convention.

Rules Committee:

Chair: Senator John Thrasher (R)
Vice Chair: Senator Christopher L. Smith (D)

Senator Lizbeth Benacquisto (R)
Senator Miguel Diaz de la Portilla (R)
Senator Bill Galvano (R)
Senator Andy Gardiner (R)
Senator Jack Latvala (R)
Senator Tom Lee (R)
Senator Gwen Margolis (D)
Senator Bill Montford (D)
Senator Joe Negron (R)
Senator Garrett Richter (R)
Senator Jeremy Ring (D)
Senator David Simmons (R)
Senator Eleanor Sobel (D)


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: articlev; constitution; florida
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Florida Freepers, don't sit back. All should contact the chairman, and other committee members if they are your senators.
1 posted on 03/18/2014 2:32:33 AM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Resolute Conservative; VerySadAmerican; Nuc 1.1; MamaTexan; Political Junkie Too; jeffc; 1010RD; ...

Article V ping!


2 posted on 03/18/2014 2:34:32 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Obama has established executive branch precedents that no election can reverse. Article V.)
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To: Jacquerie

I posted only a portion of the senate resolution. View its entirety at the link.


3 posted on 03/18/2014 2:37:08 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Obama has established executive branch precedents that no election can reverse. Article V.)
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To: Jacquerie

WOO HOO!


4 posted on 03/18/2014 2:53:10 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Jacquerie
I am fully in support of the Article V movement.

However, I am aware of the obstructionist history of the Congress frustrating attempts to invoke the Article V amendment process. If they can find distinctions in the wording or discrepancies of any sort a Congress led by speaker Boehner is very likely not to call a convention claiming that the threshold of two thirds of the states has not been reached.

My question is, is there coordination among the active state legislature wars to ensure that the wording and subject matter of the applications for the convention are identical? Is there a vehicle to accomplish this?


5 posted on 03/18/2014 2:57:04 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford; Jacquerie
Not sure, but I think the language was discussed and agreed upon at the Mt. Vernon planning session last year. -
Georgia:
The General Assembly of the State of Georgia hereby applies to Congress,
under the provisions of Article V of the Constitution of the United States,
for the calling of a convention of the states limited to proposing amendments
to the United States Constitution that
impose fiscal restraints on the federal government,
limit the power and jurisdiction of the federal government,
and limit the terms of office for its officials and for members of Congress.
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Florida:
The Legislature of the State of Florida does hereby make application to Congress
pursuant to Article V of the Constitution of the United States
to call an Article V convention for the sole purpose of proposing amendments
to the Constitution of the United States which:
Impose fiscal restraints on the Federal Government.
Limit the power and jurisdiction of the Federal Government.
Limit the terms of office for federal officials and members of Congress..
That these three proposed amendment categories are severable from one another
and may be counted individually toward the required two-thirds number of applications
made by the state legislatures for the calling of an Article V convention.
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6 posted on 03/18/2014 3:29:33 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Repeal The 17th
Thanks for that.

Is there a website that has been set up to act as a clearinghouse for this sort of information?


7 posted on 03/18/2014 3:31:51 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford; Jacquerie

The only one that I am aware of is this one:
http://conventionofstates.com/


8 posted on 03/18/2014 3:42:11 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: nathanbedford; Repeal The 17th
ConventionofStates.com.

COS asked their state volunteers to submit the COS application, available at the website, to their state reps. That is why the FL and GA language is identical. I emailed the communications director at COS a little while ago, and asked how many states are looking at the COS application. We should find out today.

9 posted on 03/18/2014 3:43:44 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Obama has established executive branch precedents that no election can reverse. Article V.)
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To: Jacquerie
Thanks again.


10 posted on 03/18/2014 3:45:15 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Jacquerie

Forgive my lateness to the party and my naiveté with regard to an Art V COS...but isn’t this dangerous? Sort of like opening Pandora’s box? How can this be guaranteed to only address the issues that are listed? How can we be sure that other important things (like the Bill of Rights)can’t be changed, watered down, etc. I’m concerned this is a vehicle to change the intent from a Constitution that provides protection of rights received from our Creator to rights given and guaranteed by the government...which we all know is a disaster. I am all for restricting the power and reach of the federal government, and returning to founding principles and strengthening States’ rights, but want to be sure this is the best way to do so.


11 posted on 03/18/2014 3:57:19 AM PDT by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man a subject")
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To: Jacquerie

Why is it that the Southern States are taking the lead on Article V Amendment Convention? Must be the issue of states rights is still alive in the South, yet the North is stuck in the belief that centralized government is a solution. Look what is happening in the North, more and more northern states are failing because of the Unions are killing them. Yet Wisconsin under Walker busted the Union. Yes Michigan became a Right to Work state overcoming union domination, but it is still struggling with what the powerful unions did to it. Look at GM, millions will be spent on recalls. Chrysler as owned by Fiat, is too having recalls on the Fiat 500. Ford’s presence in Michigan is there but not as strong as it use to be.

Here in the UP of MI Ford had a significant plant for the production of the wood products for the automobiles, Byproduct was Kingsford charcoal, and he developed an airport in Kingsford. Hey Ford even had his own sawmill in Alberta, MI. Okay so it was in the late 50s for the UP of Michigan.

Chrysler was here in the UP too. The Coleman plant in Iron River went away in the 80s.

But look at Illinois, the bastion of liberalism and political corruption. This state is ready to fold just like California.

Oklahoma I understand has rejected the Article V Amendment for a Convention.


12 posted on 03/18/2014 4:00:23 AM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: ripnbang

I think the ones calling for this want to see the right to free speech, right to bare arms, to be either watered down or taken away. What a great way to add in marriage equality for all while they are at it. I don’t know if these folks are naive or just stupid. We are walking into a very dangerous land mind if they do this. Liberals are very excited seeing these folks calling for this. It will completely change America as we know it.


13 posted on 03/18/2014 4:08:44 AM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: Jacquerie

Article V Ping


14 posted on 03/18/2014 4:14:55 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: Rich21IE

I think as many others do. This needs to be pushed and pushed hard. They could add a few things (like their having to live under the same laws they themselves pass, Term limits for all, no more pensions for life, etc.)

Not to sound negative but like all other attempts to amend the constitution in a CONSTRUCTIVE way, it too will more than likely find its way to the trash barrel. Nice try Florida! “A” for effort


15 posted on 03/18/2014 4:23:11 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: ripnbang; napscoordinator
Please take the time to consider what the Left has done since the 16th and 17th amendments to our beloved constitution and society these past hundred years.

Beginning with those two, and without going through the legitimate amendment process, the constitution has been transformed from a liberty securing document and into a political Frankenstein, a monster of oppression. Unwritten amendments from Scotus and written ones in the form of executive orders have repealed whole swaths of most Articles.

Take a stroll through the Bill of Rights. Pause at each clause. By my reckoning, the only clauses still in full effect deal with quartering troops in private homes and our right to defense counsel. The 2A is under continuous attack, and it exists as a practical matter only because of gun rights groups.

My ultimate point is the limits and rules of the printed constitution are for practical purposes nonexistent.

The Left’s victory is nearly complete. Daily Kos and my rat state senator oppose an Article V state amendment convention because they know they can only lose. Patriots have nothing to lose at a state amendment convention. This convention is our last remaining peaceful means to restore freedom. It is certainly no guarantee.

We are no longer a self-governing people, perhaps with the exception of Article V. It still exists; it is our last remaining hope to restore freedom.

16 posted on 03/18/2014 4:27:33 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Obama has established executive branch precedents that no election can reverse. Article V.)
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To: ripnbang

No


17 posted on 03/18/2014 4:33:32 AM PDT by Rome2000
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To: ripnbang
Forgive my lateness to the party and my naiveté...

That is forgiven. Your concerns are, and should be everyone's concerns, before and initially ramping up on the COS. It is my understanding now that all 50 states have some level of organizing for a COS. Read up on it, start with Article V itself, go to conventionofstates.com web site, read various legislature's bills to allay concerns, read FR threads, and so on. Find your states chapter of the convention of states, they typically have a website and/or facebook page, meetings and gatherings.

Be aware of folks that put this down knowing little. The tipoff is they insert the term "con-con" right in the first sentence. This is NOT a Constitutional Convention; it is an alternate method to propose amendments to limit the federal government's power, and do so outside the auspices of the federal govt, but rather by states themselves. One vote one state. The ratification method of these amendments, the same as any source for an amendment, is one main safety firewall that should help alleviate many concerns. 13 states can kill ANY amendment coming out of COS.

18 posted on 03/18/2014 4:35:20 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: napscoordinator

Another brilliant post

Just how high is your IQ?


19 posted on 03/18/2014 4:36:34 AM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Progov

I pinged to save for future reference. I’m in Texas and want to see how/if it progresses in Texas.

We can only hope.


20 posted on 03/18/2014 4:45:48 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: ripnbang; napscoordinator
"... isn’t this dangerous...like opening Pandora’s box? ..."
"... How can we be sure that other important things can’t be changed ..."
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"... the ones calling for this want to see the right to free speech,
right to bear arms, to be either watered down or taken away ..."
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The resolutions call for an Article V Convention of the States
for the sole purpose of proposing amendments to the Constitution which:
-Impose fiscal restraints on the Federal Government;
-Limit the power and jurisdiction of the Federal Government; and
-Limit the terms of office for federal officials and members of Congress.
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An Article V Convention of States cannot amend the Constitution.
An Article V Convention of States is simply a formal gathering of delegates
from at least 34 states to discuss, debate, and "propose amendments" to the Constitution.

Any proposal not within the stated purpose of the Convention of States
(fiscal restraints; limits on power and jurisdiction; limits on terms of office)
would be unauthorized, rejected, and not approved by the Convention of States.

An Article V Convention of States cannot amend the Constitution.
Any proposal that emerged as a "proposed amendment" by the Convention of States
would still require ratification by 38 states, the same as with any other proposed amendment.
21 posted on 03/18/2014 4:58:18 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Jacquerie

All we need now is Soros rewriting the goddamn Constitution.

Soros (and the Chicago Mob unions) have used their ground game to seize complete control of the US government from the Oval Office down to Dog Catcher.

Im not optimistic about opening the door to rewriting the Constitution (or opening ANY door) while the Mafia and their Mozz Bros footsoldiers keep successfully threatening everybody from MSM shills to Chief Justice Roberts.


22 posted on 03/18/2014 8:21:43 AM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: napscoordinator

“I don’t know if these folks are naive or just stupid. We are walking into a very dangerous land mind if they do this. Liberals are very excited seeing these folks calling for this.”

Exactly. Libtard mafia has destroyed everything they touch. This would be their golden opportunity to transform us into the USSR or Venezuela (even more permanently than they already have).


23 posted on 03/18/2014 8:24:23 AM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

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States that have passed a Convention Of States application
through one or both of their state legislatures:
Georgia (Senate and House)
Alabama (House)
Arizona (House)
Alaska (House)
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States that have filed or pre-filed a Convention Of States application
in their state legislatures (State and Bill number):
Alabama HJR49
Alaska HJR22, SJR18
Arizona HCR2027
Florida SM0476, HM381
Georgia SR736, HR1215
Louisiana HCR6, HCR15
Missouri HCR41
New Mexico HJR2
Oklahoma SJR38
South Carolina H4372, S833
West Virginia HCR86
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24 posted on 03/18/2014 8:26:56 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: LyinLibs; Jacquerie

Please see post #21
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3134401/posts?page=21#21
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Oh, and wash your mouth out with soap while you’re at it.


25 posted on 03/18/2014 8:30:08 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: LyinLibs; Repeal The 17th
Wow. Really?

As THE strongest and most prolific Article V supporter at FreeRepublic, I think I deserve some Soros recognition.

The next time you speak with Soros, tell him to send a few million my way.

26 posted on 03/18/2014 9:32:49 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Obama has established executive branch precedents that no election can reverse. Article V.)
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To: Jacquerie

The Marxists have DESTROYED every opponent, in ways we haven’t even begun to catalog yet.

They’ve replaced our gov’t with Marxists and islamic terrorists from the Muslim Brotherhood.

I think you’re great, and I love Mark Levin, but I don’t trust a campaign led by you/Mark/ANYBODY to defeat the Mafia/Union/Islamo/MSM/Leftist/Bankster/Senate/ACORN Complex.


27 posted on 03/18/2014 9:38:46 AM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: napscoordinator

You have no idea what you are talking about; hence you ought to be circumspect about calling other naive or stupid. You are well advised to look out for your own field of land “minds”.


28 posted on 03/18/2014 12:49:58 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: LyinLibs
...but I don’t trust a campaign led by you/Mark/ANYBODY to defeat the Mafia/Union/Islamo/MSM/Leftist/Bankster/Senate/ACORN Complex.

And your solution is what? ... preemptive surrender?

Why not trust yourself and volunteer at Convention of States.com? Lend a hand and get educated at the same time.

29 posted on 03/18/2014 12:52:30 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: LyinLibs

Dear Lyin Libs.

Are you one of them? If not, why are you here lying like one? The words I see from you are so ignorant, so wrong-headed, and so troll-like, I have to be suspicious of your motivations.

George Soros? Get a grip!


30 posted on 03/18/2014 12:56:04 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine

All I’m saying is this:

Let’s expose/remove some of the Marxists/Mafia/Moslems before we stroll in and announce ‘Let’s revise the Constitution.’

Doing that BEFORE we determine who the heck staged the coup on our federal govt is like learning your house is infested floor-to-ceiling with termites, then deciding to blow $1 million on renovations WITHOUT BOTHERING to fumigate and confirm that you’re no longer infested.


31 posted on 03/18/2014 1:41:55 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: napscoordinator

I don’t see how “marriage equality” can sneak into articles 1)a)b)or c) above.

That’s the beauty of an Article 5 convention.

If the left wants to propose their own amendments, they have to call a DIFFERENT convention.


32 posted on 03/18/2014 1:46:54 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Rome2000

Higher than yours apparently. Some people agreed with my post. What is wrong with you?


33 posted on 03/18/2014 2:03:47 PM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: nathanbedford

From COS:

Right now we have pending legislation in 10 states, and our application has been considered by 13 states so far this year.

Our application is being considered in: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Missouri, Louisiana, and West Virginia.

Georgia passed our application, and Virginia and North Dakota did not.

You can find more details on our Progress Report page: http://conventionofstates.com/progress-report

Please let me know if you need any further information.

Best,

Jordan Sillars
Communications Director

Convention of States Project
Citizens for Self-Governance
http://conventionofstates.com


34 posted on 03/18/2014 2:32:32 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Obama has established executive branch precedents that no election can reverse. Article V.)
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To: LyinLibs

I have no problem with doing both. The Article V Convention is a ten-year project in any case. We can drive out innumerable commies in the meantime - or can we?


35 posted on 03/18/2014 3:03:05 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: LyinLibs

> All we need now is Soros rewriting the goddamn Constitution.

No one is going to re-write anything. Please inform yourself.

The reason for calling the convention in the first place is not to address what the government CAN do, but to address what the government can NOT do. The subject of the convention is specifically limited to proposing amendments that impose fiscal restraints on the federal government, that limit the power and jurisdiction of the federal government, and that limit the terms of office for its officials and for members of Congress. Any proposal by any delegate that would fall outside of these parameters would be declared by the chairman of the convention to be “void ab initio,” or dead on arrival, and there would be no further discussion of the matter.

Secondly, delegates to the convention will be selected by the various state legislatures. If you look at the numbers of Red state legislatures (26) versus Blue state legislatures (18)*, conservatives have a sizeable majority, and one that only stands to increase in the upcoming election, both in state governorships and chambers of the legislature controlled by conservatives.

Certainly there will be states like California, New York and Illinois that will send extremists, but it’s a one-state, one-vote system. Even if the liberal delegates were somehow able to approach the number of conservative delegates, no leftist proposal can be passed inside the convention without a 2/3 vote of the states, and that just isn’t mathematically possible.

Lastly, after the Convention of States has done its work and adjourns, nothing will have been changed. Nothing. All that will have happened is that a bill of proposed amendments, similar in process to the first ten original amendments - our Bill of Rights - will have been submitted to Congress, which then must in turn send them back out to the legislatures of the several states for ratification, either by convention or a vote of the legislature.

Again, math is our friend here. Article V of the Constitution requires that 75% of the states ratify any proposed amendment before it becomes the Supreme Law of the Land, which also means that it would take only 13 states to kill any hair-brained proposal that might have somehow managed to slip through. Remember, the proposed amendments must stand or fall as written - no state can make any changes, not even a single letter. If the states can’t agree in the numbers required, the proposal fails for lack of support.

The bottom line is that there are multiple levels of safeguards in place to prevent a “runaway” convention - we have nothing to fear from those who would “hijack” the process. What we DO have to fear is our current runaway federal government, and what will most certainly happen to our Constitution if we do nothing.

* Source: https://www.statescape.com/resources/partysplits/partysplits.aspx


36 posted on 03/18/2014 4:26:09 PM PDT by Strawberry AZ
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To: LyinLibs

> This would be their golden opportunity to transform us into the USSR or Venezuela

As explained in a previous post to another individual who appears to have allowed fear rather than reason shape his judgement, the reason for calling the convention in the first place is not to address what the government CAN do, but to address what the government can NOT do.

The subject of the convention is specifically limited to proposing amendments that impose fiscal restraints on the federal government, that limit the power and jurisdiction of the federal government, and that limit the terms of office for its officials and for members of Congress. Any proposal by any delegate that would fall outside of these parameters would be declared by the chairman of the convention to be “void ab initio,” or dead on arrival, and there would be no further discussion of the matter.

Secondly, delegates to the convention will be selected by the various state legislatures. If you look at the numbers of Red state legislatures (26) versus Blue state legislatures (18)*, conservatives have a sizeable majority, and one that only stands to increase in the upcoming election, both in state governorships and chambers of the legislature controlled by conservatives.

Certainly there will be states like California, New York and Illinois that will send extremists, but it’s a one-state, one-vote system. Even if the liberal delegates were somehow able to approach the number of conservative delegates, no leftist proposal can be passed inside the convention without a 2/3 vote of the states, and that just isn’t mathematically possible.

Lastly, after the Convention of States has done its work and adjourns, nothing will have been changed. Nothing. All that will have happened is that a bill of proposed amendments, similar in process to the first ten original amendments - our Bill of Rights - will have been submitted to Congress, which then must in turn send them back out to the legislatures of the several states for ratification, either by convention or a vote of the legislature.

Again, math is our friend here. Article V of the Constitution requires that 75% of the states ratify any proposed amendment before it becomes the Supreme Law of the Land, which also means that it would take only 13 states to kill any hair-brained proposal that might have somehow managed to slip through. Remember, the proposed amendments must stand or fall as written - no state can make any changes, not even a single letter. If the states can’t agree in the numbers required, the proposal fails for lack of support.

The bottom line is that there are multiple levels of safeguards in place to prevent a “runaway” convention - we have nothing to fear from those who would “hijack” the process. What we DO have to fear is our current runaway federal government, and what will most certainly happen to our Constitution if we do nothing.

PS: There is one other aspect to all of this that bears mentioning. Even if this effort were to ultimately fail, either because the convention delegates are not able to agree on even one proposed amendment, or even worse, if we fail to muster enough states to force Congress to call for the convention in the first place, just the very fact that the people out here are fed up enough with the status quo to rise up, independent of Congress, and actually make an attempt at taking back the reins of power just might be enough to get their attention back east, to get Congress to change its ways… maybe just a little.

I read recently that it was the threat of a convention of states back in the early 1900s that drove Congress to enact the 17th Amendment, the direct election of senators. Now, whether or not that idea worked out as planned is another matter altogether, but you get the point. At this stage of the game, even if they only change a little, every little bit helps… at the very least, until we try it again!

* Source: https://www.statescape.com/resources/partysplits/partysplits.aspx


37 posted on 03/18/2014 4:30:50 PM PDT by Strawberry AZ
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To: LyinLibs

> I don’t trust a campaign led by you/Mark/ANYBODY to defeat the Mafia/Union/Islamo/MSM/Leftist/Bankster/Senate/ACORN Complex.

Unfortunately, you appear to be just another person who has allowed fear rather than reason to shape his judgment... if you can even call it that.

Please... inform yourself... then get involved. Turn away from the fear-mongers and become part of the Solution!

http://www.conventionofstates.com/


38 posted on 03/18/2014 4:36:28 PM PDT by Strawberry AZ
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To: LyinLibs

> Let’s expose/remove some of the Marxists/Mafia/Moslems before we stroll in and announce ‘Let’s revise the Constitution.’

Please don’t come here and try to tell us that just electing (and re-electing) conservatives will do the trick. Are you new here? We’ve been doing that since the days of Newt Gingrich, and how’s that worked out?

The ONLY way for the states to take back the reins of power is to use the tool given to them by the Constitution – Article V.

If you haven’t read the material, please do… not only will you do yourself the favor of informing yourself, it will answer all of your questions. Believe me... I was once a skeptic. The presentation is illuminating, and the concept is exciting! For once, we can replace anger and fear with hope and purpose.

An Article V Convention of States - A Solution as Big as the Problem
http://www.conventionofstates.com/


39 posted on 03/18/2014 4:43:05 PM PDT by Strawberry AZ
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To: MrB

> If the left wants to propose their own amendments, they have to call a DIFFERENT convention.

EXACTLY! This man GETS IT!

If Soros et al want to EXPAND the scope and power of the federal, then fine... more power to them... it’s still a free country. I’d be more than happy to send them a link to Article V.

Then we can sit back and watch as they slowly do the math: All it takes to kill any hair-brained proposal that they could come up with is 13 states. I’m thinking that out of the 26 state legislatures controlled by conservatives, we could come up with 13 who don’t have anything better to do.


40 posted on 03/18/2014 4:49:23 PM PDT by Strawberry AZ
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To: napscoordinator

> Some people agreed with my post.

Of the people who agreed with you, I can find none who shows any depth of knowledge whatsoever of the issue. They do, however, display rampant fear and distrust, as do you.

Unfortunately, it appears that the fear and mistrust is of the Founders and the American people’s ability to use the tools given to them by the Framers of the Constitution.

Please, read the material... inform yourself, then become part of the solution.

An Article V Convention of States - A Solution as Big as the Problem
http://www.conventionofstates.com/


41 posted on 03/18/2014 4:54:32 PM PDT by Strawberry AZ
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To: John Valentine

> We can drive out innumerable commies in the meantime - or can we?

There is one other aspect to all of this that bears mentioning. Even if this effort were to ultimately fail, either because the convention delegates are not able to agree on even one proposed amendment, or even worse, if we fail to muster enough states to force Congress to call for the convention in the first place, just the very fact that the people out here are fed up enough with the status quo to rise up, independent of Congress, and actually make an attempt at taking back the reins of power just might be enough to get their attention back east, to get Congress to change its ways… maybe just a little.

I read recently that it was the threat of a convention of states back in the early 1900s that drove Congress to enact the 17th Amendment, the direct election of senators. Now, whether or not that idea worked out as planned is another matter altogether, but you get the point. At this stage of the game, even if they only change a little, every little bit helps… at the very least, until we get the numbers to do it all, and do it right!


42 posted on 03/18/2014 4:57:53 PM PDT by Strawberry AZ
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To: Strawberry AZ

Thanks for all that cute detail.

YOUR purpose is ‘limit what the govt can do,’ but the purpose of the MARXISTS who keep defeating patriots is ‘hijack/sabotage every governing process to expand what government can do.’

So far, they’ve installed a jihad with no birth certificate and seven (7) stolen SSNs, and the media is blackmailed/threatened into silence.

STEP ONE: Remove and prosecute our modern-day Nazis from the ranks of the US govt.

STEP TWO: Once the govt is semi-clear of virulent Communists and Mafia intimidation, let’s hold whatever conventions you want.

Otherwise we’re asking to ALTER the Constitution while the Fourth Reich is in control of every aspect of our society, from the Oval Office down to Dog Catcher.

Ask (Hawaii) Governor Abercrombie how he’ll enjoy helping you while he’s busy covering his own Treason in lying for Hussein and covering up his ‘im gonna release the BC.... oh wait there isnt any BC.... oh wait i dont want my family murdered so im dropping the subject....’ routine.


43 posted on 03/18/2014 4:59:04 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: Strawberry AZ

Excellent post!


44 posted on 03/18/2014 5:05:42 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: LyinLibs

Look, I’m on board 100% with identifying all the problems, I swear! We know the issues, and we know that they are only getting worse. We ALSO know that if things continue on the current track, tomorrow will make today look like a cakewalk.

This is not an either-or proposition here, LL... there is no one here saying that we must stop trying to elect good people to replace the bad and devote all of our energy to mounting an Article V challenge. All we’re asking people to do is redirect some of the energy used to criticize this movement toward education, and in some cases, starting with themselves.

I noted that you referred to my previous post as “cute details,” and I’ll apologize if I sounded like I was preaching. That wasn’t my intent. You seem to me to be a passionate patriot, and that’s a good thing... it’s what we want... it’s what we need. I was simply trying to respond to the specific fears that you expressed. The last thing in the world I would want to do is alienate any patriot, passionate or otherwise. It’s just that there are too may people out there who have let fear cloud their reason, and if I can help lift the veil for even one of our valued conservatives, then I’ll feel as if I’ve done my part for the day.

Let me emphasize one point that I may have glossed over in my earlier post - no matter what comes out of an Article V Convention of States, it will only be a proposal, not an amendment. It does not become an amendment until 38 state legislatures ratify it, and no one expects the legislatures of Hawaii or California or New York or Illinois to help in that regard. We conservatives in the Red and Purple states will have to do lean on our legislators without any help from the Blue end of the political spectrum, which is unfortunate, because this truly is not a partisan issue. No Congress should be allowed to pass laws and then declare themselves to be above them, I don’t care how liberal or conservative you are. It’s a basic American fundamental principle that only the most myopic partisans cannot see.

And I know that there’s at least one other good point that you raised that deserves a response, but I’m being called to dinner...


45 posted on 03/18/2014 5:50:21 PM PDT by Strawberry AZ
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To: Repeal The 17th

Thanks... just trying to do my part.


46 posted on 03/18/2014 7:16:12 PM PDT by Strawberry AZ
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To: Repeal The 17th

By the way, your Georgia legislature is awesome! You must be proud.


47 posted on 03/18/2014 7:18:38 PM PDT by Strawberry AZ
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To: LyinLibs

LL... I mentioned that other point that you made:

> “Otherwise we’re asking to ALTER the Constitution while the Fourth Reich is in control of every aspect of our society, from the Oval Office down to Dog Catcher.”

I would submit to you that maybe the Constitution is ripe for a little altering, at the very least, some clarification of the Founders’ language to help keep the Supreme Court from running completely off the tracks every time a lower court asks it to interpret something the Framers wrote.

Frankly, the prospect of an amendment imposing lifetime term limits on all federal officials is the primary reason that I support this movement. Since the Supreme Court in its infinite wisdom ruled that the voters of a sovereign state don’t have the right to impose term limits on their own locally-elected federal delegation, I can see no other way for us ever to bring an end to the modern-day phenomenon of the “Career Politician,” including those who wear black robes.

Resolving that one issue, I believe, would go a very long way toward eliminating many of the most pressing issues that we face. Washington, DC, without a doubt, has become the most powerful city in the world, and no one who enters its enormous sphere of influence can help but be changed by it... and usually not for the better.

It’s almost become trite to say, but it bears repeating anyway: With very few exceptions, virtually every politician’s top priority, regardless of party, platform or principles, is to get re-elected. As soon as they arrive, they are surrounded by and steeped in the “Career Mentality” that pervades Washington, D.C. It is imposed on them, particularly by the old dogs, the veterans, the party leaders, and soon the urgency of remaining a part of that culture of power supersedes anything and everything they may have promised or aspired to during their campaign. The wants and needs of the people who sent them there – the folks back home – all take a back seat to the new imperative – raise money for re-election.

And as we all know, huge amounts of re-election money come from the major political parties, so in order to maintain the party’s financial support come election time, deals are made that have nothing to do with what’s in the best interest of the voters back in the home state. Legislation is passed at the direction of the party leadership, for instance, without a single legislator having read it. Does any of this sound anywhere near like what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they coined the term, “Citizen Legislator”?

We keep sending good people to Washington, only to see them disappear into the meat-grinder that is Congress, and come out the other side just so much baloney! If they go in knowing that their term is limited by constitutional edict, I firmly believe that they will think twice before casting a vote on legislation that could have a severe impact on the very communities to which they themselves will soon be returning… to live among the rest of us, to work at a job like a normal person again, outside of the Beltway Bubble, forced to bear the burden of whatever damned-fool laws that body might pass with little or no concern for the unintended consequences they might have on the daily lives of real people throughout this country.

And before anyone says that removing the “perks” of congressional service will cause a brain drain, and that no one of any consequence will want to run for an office that they can only hold for such a short amount of time, I would submit that if the folks up there running things right now are the best and the brightest that money, power and prestige can buy, then I think it’s time to give some of us poor, stupid people a chance… we couldn’t possibly screw it up any worse!

This may be our best and last chance… a Convention of States. I hate to say it, but I’m afraid it’s finally come to the point where it really doesn’t matter who we elect anymore, because sooner or later, once they become a member of an elite class that exists above the very laws they impose upon the rest of us, coupled with the realization that they can stay there forever if they just play by the rules, there’s no longer any incentive for them to exercise any discretion whatsoever. Eventually, there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between any of them, and frankly… I’ve run out of dimes.


48 posted on 03/18/2014 7:33:49 PM PDT by Strawberry AZ
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To: Jacquerie
Thanks for the citation. I visited the website and viewed a couple of the videos and even looked up Phyllis Shaffley's objections which I find to be beside the mark. The objections of retired Chief Justice Burger have to be dealt with, the man does not look like less of an ass with the perspective of time.

I do not believe Virginia is a lost cause even though the last few elections have been lost.

Thanks for third time.


49 posted on 03/19/2014 3:20:08 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Strawberry AZ; napscoordinator

OMG
A logical argument for term limits and an Article V convention expressed rationally
Outstanding !


50 posted on 03/19/2014 3:28:23 AM PDT by Rome2000
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