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Vermont: The First US Single Payer State Health System Would Require Doubling Taxes
FrontPage Mag ^ | 03/18/2014 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 03/18/2014 7:23:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

No, no it can’t

Vermont Health Connect is a disaster. It’s a disaster even by the standards of other troubled state health care websites. And Green Mountain Care, its attempt at single payer, is an even bigger disaster. (via Ace)

Al Gobeille, the chair of the Green Mountain Care Board, says additional tax revenue will be needed in order to make a publicly-financed health care system affordable for all Vermonters.

And Gobeille says he won’t shy away from the challenge.

“That’s the question that everybody runs from, but I’ve never run from it,” said Gobeille. “It’s going to come from a tax, and the question is, ‘What is the best tax?’”

In about a month, the Shumlin Administration says it will release a menu of tax options that could be used to finance their single payer plan.

A menu of options. It’s like a restaurant except you pay for someone else’ lunch. How much menu tax options will it take?

As Vermont Watchdog reported, an independent report by the Washington, D.C.-based consulting firm Avalere Health concluded that the costs of Green Mountain Care would require Vermont to raise tax revenue roughly equal to the state’s tax collections from all sources today.

Double taxes? Sure. People will love a 14 percent tax rate. Or raise the sales tax to 12 percent. No chance of that backfiring.

In a recent poll of Vermonters’ views on Shumlin’s single-payer plan, half of the respondents said they are not confident state government could effectively manage a universal health care system.

Or an outhouse.

Lawmakers on the House Ways and Means Committee, who are responsible for raising revenue, aren’t enamored with Shumlin’s proposal to double the claims assessment. They say it is a tax on insurers who will pass the cost on to customers through premiums.

Or a broken outhouse.

Rep. Cynthia Browning, D-Arlington, isn’t satisfied with Gov. Peter Shumlin’s decision to delay the presentation of financing options for single-payer to lawmakers before the end of the legislative session.

A fundamental premise of Green Mountain Care is to decouple health insurance from employment by paying for it with taxes instead of premiums.

It’s not just Republicans that are frustrated with Shumlin for not producing a financing plan, she said. There are Democrats who support single-payer, but want to know how the administration plans to pay for it.

Or a broken outhouse on fire.

“What health care needs is better organization and this provides the opportunity to do that,” Gobeille said.

“I feel beaten and battered,” said Susan Rixon, a frustrated consumer. “I feel like I have done everything I was supposed to do in this entire process and I’m still running into road blocks.”

I’m sure these folks will get single payer right. How could they not?



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: healthcare; singlepayer; singlepayerstate; taxes; vermont

1 posted on 03/18/2014 7:23:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m glad they’re doing this. We need more examples of liberal ideas that fail miserably instead of expecting people to be smart enough to realize a bad idea when they see one.

With today’s education system cranking out low-information voters by the millions, they’re only going to learn by us rubbing their noses in it like a bad puppy.


2 posted on 03/18/2014 7:29:34 AM PDT by MNnice
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To: MNnice

LIBs/DIMs should never be given one iota of authority, power or influence. They are mentally ill. Their “ideas” are merely the random firing of defective brain cells. While (perhaps) they are not actual zombies, they appear zombie-like.


3 posted on 03/18/2014 7:32:46 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: SeekAndFind
half of the respondents said they are not confident state government could effectively manage a universal health care system.

The other half starting beating the poll-takers with baseball bats...

4 posted on 03/18/2014 7:35:40 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: SeekAndFind

the Vermont socialists should be proud to lead the way and show us the benefits of everyone paying European style socialist taxes for healthcare


5 posted on 03/18/2014 7:36:02 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: MNnice

RE: I’m glad they’re doing this. We need more examples of liberal ideas that fail miserably instead of expecting people to be smart enough to realize a bad idea when they see one.

That’s EXACTLY what our constitution was intended for. Here’s the 10th Amendment:

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

Justice Louis D. Brandeis’s understood this as allowing the states to be “laboratories” of democracy for policy experiments to see what works and what does not.

If it does not work or works disastrously, at least the damage is LIMITED to the state, not the entire country.

Unfortunately Obama, the so-called constitutional professor, never understood this. I wonder what they taught him at Harvard....


6 posted on 03/18/2014 7:41:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (question is this)
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To: hal ogen
QUOTE: While (perhaps) they are not actual zombies, they appear zombie-like.

You mean like Democrats?

7 posted on 03/18/2014 7:41:18 AM PDT by jimmyray
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To: MNnice

Let them eat cake.


8 posted on 03/18/2014 7:44:16 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: silverleaf

RE: the Vermont socialists should be proud to lead the way and show us the benefits of everyone paying European style socialist taxes for healthcare

Beware, another Vermonter is planning to run for President in 2016. Howard “The Scream” Dean will want to implement this disastrous single-payer policy nationwide.


9 posted on 03/18/2014 7:46:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (question is this)
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To: SeekAndFind

Isn’t Bernie Sanders (Socialist) also planning to run for president?


10 posted on 03/18/2014 7:53:55 AM PDT by anoldafvet (If you think the government is capable of taking care of you, just look at the indian tribes)
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To: SeekAndFind

I fully hope the Scream runs again, maybe with Algor or John Kerry as a mate - it would be worth it to watch Biden hoisted on his petard

It will be like one of those Star Trek episodes where everyone goes back in time


11 posted on 03/18/2014 7:55:37 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: SeekAndFind

As goes Vermont...................so goes the nation?........................


12 posted on 03/18/2014 7:59:46 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: silverleaf

Is Leaky and Bernie from Vermont? Is either up for reelection?


13 posted on 03/18/2014 8:03:26 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (John "Cupcake" Kerry. That's funny right thar, I tell you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Doubling of taxes, and yet the worst part is...This is in the most homogenous state in the nation with little in the way of a welfare culture!

Imagine what this would cost in a state like CA, IL, PA, ?!


14 posted on 03/18/2014 8:11:43 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obamacare on steroids.

And I’m betting it won’t be free.

If its not free, there will be few takers.


15 posted on 03/18/2014 8:12:42 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SeekAndFind
I’m sure these folks will get single payer right. How could they not?

LOL - Good one Daniel Greenfield ...

16 posted on 03/18/2014 8:13:52 AM PDT by GOPJ (From a bellwether to an "oh-whateverrrr" in less than a single news cycle. -freeper Fightin Whitey)
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To: Red Badger

RE: As goes Vermont...................so goes the nation?........................

I think the original state was OHIO ... “As Ohio goes, so goes the nation”, indicating that it is a crucial battleground state and whoever loses that state, loses the presidential election.


17 posted on 03/18/2014 8:16:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (question is this)
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To: Red Badger

So goes the nation? You referring to “empty” which might well be the end result when rational and employed Vermonters and their employers respond to this disaster by relocating?


18 posted on 03/18/2014 8:16:38 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: SeekAndFind

Higher taxes and more spending are good for the economy, our Ivy League betters insist.


19 posted on 03/18/2014 8:16:54 AM PDT by Tea Party Terrorist (Why work for a living when you can vote for a living?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Since we do not live in an objective world, its inevitable failure will not result in a eureka moment in progressives where they finally understand that you cannot have your cake and eat it too. Instead they will blame any and every free market force still in existence and seek to crush it.


20 posted on 03/18/2014 8:19:17 AM PDT by Tea Party Terrorist (Why work for a living when you can vote for a living?)
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To: Tea Party Terrorist

” I would rather be governed by the first 2000 names in the Boston phone book than by the 2000 members of the faculty of Harvard University.” — William F. Buckley, Jr.


21 posted on 03/18/2014 8:19:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (question is this)
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To: MNnice

Yes. I want Vermont to implement Single Payer. They will go broke within two years. Then no one will ever try this again for at least a century.


22 posted on 03/18/2014 8:23:33 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind; MNnice

On the other hand, leftists will always respond to an abject failure of their policies that it ‘just wasn’t done right’. They never draw the obvious conclusion, they just come up with another centralist scheme, requiring more taxes.


23 posted on 03/18/2014 8:33:15 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

RE: They will go broke within two years. Then no one will ever try this again for at least a century.

Guess who will be asked to “rescue” them...


24 posted on 03/18/2014 8:34:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (question is this)
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To: jimmyray

Yes...DIMocRATS.


25 posted on 03/18/2014 8:35:08 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: SeekAndFind

The only thing Vermont needs now is a VAT tax.


26 posted on 03/18/2014 8:44:49 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: VRW Conspirator

RE: VAT tax.

Vermont Added Tax :)


27 posted on 03/18/2014 8:49:44 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (question is this)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why don’t they (the gov’t) just take 70% of everyone’s income (including social security and pensions) and be done with this. Gov’t is greedy and mean.


28 posted on 03/18/2014 8:50:51 AM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: ncpatriot

Why stop at 70%? :)


29 posted on 03/18/2014 8:55:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (question is this)
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To: hal ogen

Did you check the link in post 7?


30 posted on 03/18/2014 9:03:16 AM PDT by jimmyray
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To: SeekAndFind
Guess who will be asked to “rescue” them...

Their state has fewer people than this county.
A small price to pay IMO for the lesson to everyone that government run health care DOES NOT WORK!

Now, if California tries this, we're all in deep doo.


31 posted on 03/18/2014 9:33:38 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

Geee- you want to double the sales tax, Mr Governor?

IF I were remodeling my house or I wanted to change out all my old furniture, I would rent a U-Haul truck & drive to a neighboring state where I could pay less for such. The distances there between states are not very great.

Or-I might just give up & move away entirely. Take my knowledge & talents somewhere that I could enjoy the fruits of my labor.


32 posted on 03/18/2014 9:38:04 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: SeekAndFind

I keep expecting a single payer plan much like this:

Mr. Smith you are now qualified for absolutely free healthcare! There are of course a few stipulations to your new unqualified access to free healthcare. You are no longer permitted to smoke, You may not drink alcohol or carbonated beverages either.

You may not indulge in your hobby of cross country bike riding and your access to firearms has also been cancelled. Your driver’s license has also been cancelled. You will be chauffeured to any destination considered a legitimate one. You have also been granted access to a personal chef who will prepare special healthy meals for you.

Yes, that’s right Mr. Smith you are in a SPECIAL class now. Now please sign here on your Preferred Healthcare contract with the state. Oh yes please note that by signing this contract you agree to be a living organ and bodily part donor for the Lt. Governor as long as he holds an elected position here in the state or Federal Government.

Yes, that’s right Mr. Smith! For access to totally free healthcare there are a few... Hmmmm... clauses that need to be filled.

Ah yes! Thank you once again for signing up Mr. Smith.

Ok, boys take him away to the padded room; we don’t want Mr. XXXXXXXX’s living parts donor to be damaged while waiting for use now.... Do We?


33 posted on 03/18/2014 1:03:03 PM PDT by The Working Man
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