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EXCLUSIVE: Maps and Data Show Possible Location of Malaysian Airlines Flight 370
Western Free Press ^ | 3/18/14 | guest contributor

Posted on 03/18/2014 7:24:02 AM PDT by mandrews222

I had come to the same conclusion by examining the available data. I am quite familiar with that area and that particular route. I have flown it a lot of times.

My guess is they want the airplane…passengers are probably dead. That is a no brainer…simply don the O2 masks in cockpit and reach up and throw the pressurization switch and bingo 2 minutes later everybody is dead.

APPARENT HIJACKING OF MALAYSIA FLIGHT 370 ON MARCH 8, 2014

I have annotated the best available satellite “ping” data and Malaysian military skin-track radar data on the undoubtedly hijacked Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. This is not what the “experts” and government authorities want you to hear. The likely search area is much narrower than they have led us to believe. I have marked the official Malaysian government map released by the Prime Minister green (the black-gray lines and words in black-gray letters such as “Last known possible position …” and the red arcs are all official Malaysian map graphics). The second map, below the top map, is from the NY Times.

(Excerpt) Read more at westernfreepress.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: flight370; iran; malaysia; mh370; mh370path; planehijack; waronterror
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1 posted on 03/18/2014 7:24:02 AM PDT by mandrews222
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To: mandrews222

Pulau We, Sabang, SBC. An airport. On an Island off the coast of Banda Aceh.


2 posted on 03/18/2014 7:30:48 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I just messed up my tagline. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: mandrews222

Great find! Thanks for posting..


3 posted on 03/18/2014 7:32:39 AM PDT by ken5050 (I fear a world run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating)
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To: mandrews222

4 posted on 03/18/2014 7:33:54 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: mandrews222
It is very possible that the hijackers flew along a standard airline route from Singapore to New Delhi where the Indian military air defense radar personnel would ignore the flight as simply a normal airliner, and the Indian civilian air traffic controllers would not even know or “see” the hijacked airliner because the hijackers had turned its transponder off three to five hours earlier.

So... the military will see this blip WITHOUT A TRANSPONDER, and say "Hey, No big deal", while the civilians won't even see it.

Not a good plan for military defense, if you ask me.

5 posted on 03/18/2014 7:33:56 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: mandrews222; ken5050

My guess is it’s in Bangladesh......................


6 posted on 03/18/2014 7:34:39 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: mandrews222

Please post entire article here. Blog pimping is frowned upon.

Welcome to FR.


7 posted on 03/18/2014 7:35:52 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (John "Cupcake" Kerry. That's funny right thar, I tell you.)
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To: mandrews222

“It is possible that this latest report is also deceptive and that there was another and final “ping” at 9:11 a.m. which has been withheld because it greatly narrows the search area into an extremely volatile region of West-Central Asia.”

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Lots of cover up going on.


8 posted on 03/18/2014 7:38:56 AM PDT by Qiviut (It's hard to be a donk if you're sane & it's hard to be a pubbie if you have any integrity.)
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To: mandrews222
No way China would let it fly that distance without an intercept.
9 posted on 03/18/2014 7:46:02 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Red Badger

Very good graphics. The media has failed to understand the satellite info, and implied that the ‘arcs’ we see are a path that the aircraft must have taken. As the graphic shows, this is not true...the arcs are only representative of where the airplane must have been...at the moment of the last ping. The place could have taken any route to get to a point on that arc.


10 posted on 03/18/2014 7:46:28 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: mandrews222

I am surprised to learn that the cockpit crew can turn cabin pressurization off with the flip of a switch!


11 posted on 03/18/2014 7:50:33 AM PDT by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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To: mandrews222

Here’s some stuff that might be worthy of being called a ‘hint’:

Boeing 777 hijackers plunged to 5,000ft and used low altitude ‘terrain masking’ manoeuvre practised by fighter jets to avoid radar detection

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2582595/Boeing-777-hijackers-plunged-5-000ft-used-low-altitude-terrain-masking-manoeuvre-practised-fighter-jets-avoid-radar-detection.html


12 posted on 03/18/2014 7:50:36 AM PDT by GOPJ (From a bellwether to an "oh-whateverrrr" in less than a single news cycle. -freeper Fightin Whitey)
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To: mandrews222

Ummm... no. Two minutes without O2 does not kill you. It does knock you out for a few minutes. As for the pilots, at FL 430 you need positive pressure O2 masks. I do not believe the crew had such masks. Then there is the problem of disposing of 230 bodies. No small task. Then there is the issue of keeping 230 furious passengers from breaking-down the cockpit door and taking back the airplane during its seven hour joy ride.


13 posted on 03/18/2014 7:51:39 AM PDT by pabianice (LINE)
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To: Red Badger; Yosemitest; hoosiermama; maggief; crosslink; Black Agnes; LucyT; null and void

Thanks red badger!

Yosemitest, All y’all , check out the graphic!


14 posted on 03/18/2014 7:51:41 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: mandrews222

15 posted on 03/18/2014 7:52:54 AM PDT by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: mandrews222; UCANSEE2

Any thoughts that a jihadi video claiming responsibility for a the hijacking or suicide mission were found on the pilot’s and / or copilot’s computers but is being hidden by the Malaysian gov’t?


16 posted on 03/18/2014 7:54:57 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: mandrews222

Most cogent analysis I’ve seen so far.

One question most people haven’t thought to ask I believe: Do pilots know that their engines are sending pings to the satellites? If so, can those pings be shut down from the flight deck?

I’m wondering this because the locus of possible landing locations is bounded by a circle defined by the radius of the aircraft flying at max speed from the center of that circle defined by its last ping. It has from the time of the last ping until the next expected ping to hide the plane and shut it down before it pings again.

If it pings over land, then the hijackers would be at risk of being found and caught.

You’d want to ‘make your escape’ from your last ping, ending your flight as close to your next ping as possible.

Or, you’d want to shut the engine health satellite ping off.

Where ever you land, you’d want holes for both the bodies and the luggage, even if you intended to burn or dissolve both first.

I would not be surprised if Malaysian Air isn’t in talks with Boeing to have each of those aircraft repainted in a brand new service mark and color scheme on some sort of rotating basis.

The one very highly impractical thing for the hijackers to pull off is a repainting of the aircraft. They can do such a thing, but it would be difficult.

You pull the seats out of something like a 777 and you can get a terrifying number of nuclear weapons aboard. Making them go off all at the exact same time would be a tougher trick than you’d think.

Putting on the tinfoil hat for a second, if there is any truth to the rumor that we use commercial heavies to perform weather modification work on their routes, and that they are equipped with tanks and nozzles for distributing the material used for that purpose, it may mean that the plane has the means to distribute chemical or biological weapons without being either suspected or detected.

It’s funny how we find out, after the appropriate amount of time, that many conspiracy theories turn out being correct. McCarthy was right. Government WAS full of communists. The listed goals of Communism for the US were legitimate, and the new Soviet Union is still working toward them, etc.

Anyway, the havoc you can wreak with a 777 isn’t limited to crashing it into a building.


17 posted on 03/18/2014 8:01:27 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: WildHighlander57
Great work, but let me add this.
Take a close look at this graphic. In the world of Air Traffic Contgrol, "Attention To Detail" is everything.
Being accurate FIRST is everything.
Being safe is everything.
Speed comes later, but accuracy is a must.

Now for other career fields, accuracy isn't stressed as much.
Now let's ASSUME that, in the speed of getting out the information, that graphic is built on the WRONG degree off of that satellite.
Look what that would do to the search area.

What if a Muslim sympathizer was in the chain of people that disseminated that information.

And take a look at the fuel capacity of the different models of Boeing 777-200,and that can give it a Maximum range (at maximum payload {because MH370 might have weighed less, giving it a LONGER range} ) of from
So the search area may change,we must assume the worst.

18 posted on 03/18/2014 8:03:05 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: GOPJ

Every time I read any claims by persons who say they saw an aircraft in distress, I am reminded of the crash landing of an air carrier in the Atlanta, GA area many years ago.

My memory of details may not be accurate, but I do remember the punch line.

I believe that the aircraft was a DC-9.

I believe that it flew through a severe thunderstorm and both engines flamed out from water ingestion.

So big fat black woman was on TV exclaiming in a very loud excited voice that she saw the aircraft just before it crashed and “the pilot was waving a red flag out his window”.

I can’t remember the eventual outcome, but I think the pilot put the aircraft down on a road or somewhere where there were a substantial number of survivors.

If anyone remembers or can locate the actual story, feel free.

The wonders of google:

Here it is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Airways_Flight_242


19 posted on 03/18/2014 8:05:21 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Red Badger

The authorities are, understandably, not releasing it, but it would be VERY helpful to see the “distance arcs” derived from EACH of the hourly pings. Comparative Analysis of that information on the different arcs could very possibly lead to more precise locations.

The various intelligence agencies almost certainly have more information than they are releasing. Depending upon the scenario, the authorities could actually be releasing/leaking incorrect information to mask what they really do know.


20 posted on 03/18/2014 8:06:47 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: SolidRedState

I’m with you on this, except I think Aliens Did It!


21 posted on 03/18/2014 8:11:47 AM PDT by Mr. C (Take Back America!)
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To: Red Badger

“My guess is it’s in Bangladesh.”

My guess is some obscure military base being fitted for
Obamas black flag. It would be in China and Russia’s best
interest to keep the Obama in office as long as possible and
what better way than to give him an excuse to suspend an
election or two. They know that Obama is more of a threat
to America than they are combined.


22 posted on 03/18/2014 8:18:56 AM PDT by Slambat
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To: mandrews222

I’ll bet this plane will ‘reappear’ and with a full tank of fuel.

Guess where.


23 posted on 03/18/2014 8:23:20 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: House Atreides
I was explaining this to my son yesterday...that this should be pretty easy. If there are other pings, simple vector analysis would give you two tracks. You should be able to narrow the search down significantly.

Someone is holding back info...and they may think its for our own good...

24 posted on 03/18/2014 8:26:25 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: mandrews222

I find it hard to believe that if it flew north or northwest over land that it would not have been picked up on Chinese and/or Indian radar.

The arc there is based upon the last ping but where are the arcs of the four previous pings???


25 posted on 03/18/2014 8:26:59 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: SMARTY

malaysia


26 posted on 03/18/2014 8:26:59 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: RinaseaofDs
Anyway, the havoc you can wreak with a 777 isn’t limited to crashing it into a building.

Sobering thought.

27 posted on 03/18/2014 8:31:04 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: mandrews222

bttt


28 posted on 03/18/2014 8:36:59 AM PDT by vigilante2 (Re-elect nobody)
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To: mandrews222

Plane’s been found. According to The Star, it’s on the moon.


29 posted on 03/18/2014 8:39:05 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The PASSING LANE is for PASSING, not DAWDLING)
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To: mandrews222
"Throw the pressurization switch"???

Is that next to the "EASY" button?

30 posted on 03/18/2014 8:41:22 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: Uncle Chip

Don’t all planes have an air traffic controller assigned to keep track of them? So - whose job was it to keep their eyeballs on this one?


31 posted on 03/18/2014 8:55:33 AM PDT by privatedrive
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To: Art in Idaho

“No way China would let it fly that distance without an intercept.”

Unless the Chinese military was in on it.

Something has struck me as odd.

This takes place at the same time as Putin, with the backing of China, is acting up somewhat with shades of the Cuban missile crisis.

It also has shades of when the Clintons would get into trouble during the 1990’s.

The Chinese would threaten to nuke the West coast so everyone on the right and left in this country would rally around support Clinton.

If this is to be used as a weapon to attack the US it will come from the west most likely.

One object of the left has been to make sure the US isn’t the sole superpower in the world.

Putin and China make a complete fool out of Obama and the left blames the “Right Wing Extremist TEA Party” for not supporting him. We are seeing this in the left wing news right now.

Blaming it on the “RWE and TEA Party” for being against Obama has shades of what the Clinton’s did with the OKC bombing.

Russia and China are then considered Superpowers on equal footing with the US.

How could all of these come together at the same time without it being planned that way?


32 posted on 03/18/2014 9:02:30 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: old curmudgeon
When there's many ‘eyewitnesses’ the truth comes out... if there's one witness it's ‘anyone’s guess’.

If 40 people had seen the pilot waving a red flag out the window it probably would have been true.

Never a good idea to prejudge information that conflicts with our structured ideas of what ‘should have been’... To weight it differently is fine but to ignore it is a mistake.

33 posted on 03/18/2014 9:02:39 AM PDT by GOPJ ("Fighter pilot manoeuvers"? One of the Saudi’s we trained in Texas years ago?)
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To: privatedrive

It was handed over to Ho Chi Minh aircontrollers but then turned around before it checked in.


34 posted on 03/18/2014 9:06:10 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Izzy Dunne
If the plane was running along established commercial flight routes - and not near a military base.... or flying on the edge of radar from different countries - there's a good they would be missed. No one was looking for something like this to happen... I doubt it could be done today.
35 posted on 03/18/2014 9:06:28 AM PDT by GOPJ ("Fighter pilot manoeuvers"? One of the Saudi’s we trained in Texas years ago?)
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To: mandrews222

I can’t sign on to a Boeing 777 of any type being flown into Indian airspace without being detected. However, I’ve qualified remarks prior stating everything is dependent on the US & other militaries providing factual & complete info.

This also relies on the so-called ‘last ping’.

I’m confused: If the plane responded to a ping, it transmitted data, as it was a maintenance signal for the engines & plane’s attitude, right? (that’s what the public has been told)

Then why did both Boeing & Rolls Royce deny receiving any engine data, all while being reported that the ‘pings’ are sending data, ostensibly on airspeed & altitude? Either data was sent by the plane, & received by Boeing, or it wasn’t.

If the engine data is being sent by ACARS, as Boeing asserts, then what is this ‘ping’ that has everyone looking in the potentially wrong places?

IMHO: It doesn’t matter.

I’m so done with this ‘distraction’: It’s a tragedy (all souls lost) and the public is being served a stage drama courtesy of multiple governments, agencies & militaries.

Either the simplest theory is the answer, or this is one of the most diabolical & well-planned plots (replete with clever & highly-technical misdirection)...all over a single airliner, which could have been acquired much easier for nefarious purposes, imho.

If it matters, here is the latest bs
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10704769/Malaysian-Airlines-MH370-live.html

You know what they say about opinions; I’m guilty, too.

On that note, I have business to attend to...


36 posted on 03/18/2014 9:24:16 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Rio

http://www.b737.org.uk/pressurisation.htm


37 posted on 03/18/2014 9:37:31 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: GOPJ

One of the statements in the story is to the effect that the aircraft did the 45,000 to 5,000 thing.

Ignoring the fact that there was no transponder return and no mode C.

Throughout the articles, there is not one single verifiable quote, fact, link, etc,, to support the truth of this statement.

Lots of pictures of passengers in the cabin of similar aircraft but not one single factual quote from an ATC controller, a military radar facility, etc.

The writer should be banned from the “profession” of journalism for life and anyone placing any credence in the article should go sit in the corner.

The article is BS from beginning to end.

By the way, not only can ATC not see the altitude of aircraft not displaying a mode C, ATC facilities can in very busy areas turn off all primary returns so that they see only transponder equipped aircraft.

No one has presented any information as to the capabilities of the area radars and under what conditions they were operating.

A basic description of how transponders work.

http://public-action.com/911/transpon/


38 posted on 03/18/2014 9:50:01 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: GOPJ

The low-level scenario raises another question: what about the radar altimeter? Flying across the open water is more difficult that most people imagine—much tougher to gauge your altitude against a huge, flat, blue backdrop. So, pilots would want to use their radar altimeter. That signal could be detected by any vessel, aircraft or nation with an ELINT capability.

One drawback: all 777s use the same type of altimeter, so you could have multiple signals across the project flight path(s). However, if you could correlate a radar altimeter signal with a “data-less” ACARS ping, you might have a better idea regarding Flight 370s flight path.

Also, the longer at low altitude, the more fuel you burn, and your range is decreased. Again, it would be very helpful to know how long he was below 20K, and it’s impact on the fuel load.


39 posted on 03/18/2014 9:50:22 AM PDT by ExNewsExSpook
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To: House Atreides
The authorities are, understandably, not releasing it, but it would be VERY helpful to see the “distance arcs” derived from EACH of the hourly pings. Comparative Analysis of that information on the different arcs could very possibly lead to more precise locations.

I agree 100%. This information is surely being withheld intentionally. It would, as you state, narrow the search to a very small target area. The Big Guys know where that search area is and are certainly keeping it secret. I'm betting it will leak out. Whatever area it is must be receiving a lot of attention. That focus will be noticed. Keep your eyes open and your ear to the ground.

And, by the way, any interested party could plot those points assuming that the author of the article is correct about the routes and the air speed.

40 posted on 03/18/2014 10:00:06 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Art in Idaho

It wasn’t flying in Chinese air space.

It was flying to Pakistan, through Indian air space.


41 posted on 03/18/2014 10:06:06 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: pabianice

Details, details...


42 posted on 03/18/2014 10:08:30 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: RinaseaofDs

>> “One question most people haven’t thought to ask I believe: Do pilots know that their engines are sending pings to the satellites? If so, can those pings be shut down from the flight deck?” <<

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Yes, and no.

The data come directly from the engines, powered by the engines. There would be no reason to run a switch to the cockpit, as that would increase the chance of a short, not decrease it.


43 posted on 03/18/2014 10:12:29 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: pabianice

“As for the pilots, at FL 430 you need positive pressure O2 masks. I do not believe the crew had such masks.”

All jets have pressure masks for the flight deck crew. Passengers have the continuous flow masks.


44 posted on 03/18/2014 10:23:36 AM PDT by CFIIIMEIATP737
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To: mandrews222

The Captain flipped out. He killed the copilot, turned off reporting systems, pulled circuit breakers, turned off the packs and ascended to 45k ft. to kill everyone in back, (the masks didn’t drop because system breaker was pulled). Flight/voice recorders store the last 2 hrs. of data, pilot has no control over that, breakers not located in flight deck so he flies for hours to overwrite data and dumps the aircraft in the deep remote Indian Ocean.

That’s what I think happened.


45 posted on 03/18/2014 10:24:11 AM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: old curmudgeon
Throughout the articles, there is not one single verifiable quote, fact, link, etc,, to support the truth of this statement.

The comment could have been given on background... and a decision was made to 'run with it' because enough people thought the source was credible. Or it will become one of those memorable 'mistakes' the press makes when a story is breaking. Time will tell.

46 posted on 03/18/2014 10:42:25 AM PDT by GOPJ ("Fighter pilot manoeuvers"? One of the Saudi’s we trained in Texas years ago?)
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To: pabianice

” As for the pilots, at FL 430 you need positive pressure O2 masks.”

At FL 430 pilots are required to have O2 masks. The 777 is certified to cruise at FL430 meaning passengers would be comfortable without O2 masks.


47 posted on 03/18/2014 10:44:00 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: mandrews222
There is one and only one explanation for this missing jet story....SNAKES ON A PLANE!


48 posted on 03/18/2014 11:01:36 AM PDT by jetson
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To: IMR 4350

Interesting take. It makes you sick that Obama is at the table, as it were, discussing this. All part of his new ‘flexibility.’ Man, January, 2017 seems a long way off. .


49 posted on 03/18/2014 11:04:15 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: editor-surveyor
It wasn’t flying in Chinese air space. It was flying to Pakistan, through Indian air space.

Same thing, the Indian military would have reacted too?

50 posted on 03/18/2014 11:10:42 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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