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Authorities give yet another timeline for missing Malaysian jet
CBS ^ | March 17, 2014

Posted on 03/18/2014 9:02:41 AM PDT by don-o

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia - Officials revealed a new timeline Monday suggesting the final voice transmission from the cockpit of the missing Malaysian plane may have occurred before any of its communications systems were disabled, adding more uncertainty about who aboard might have been to blame.

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Malaysian officials said earlier that those words came after one of the jetliner's data communications systems - the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System - had been switched off, suggesting the voice from the cockpit may have been trying to deceive ground controllers.

However, Ahmad said that while the last data transmission from ACARS - which gives plane performance and maintenance information - came before that, it was still unclear at what point the system was switched off, making any implications of the timing murkier.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iran; malaysia; mh370; waronterror
Heard an FBI guy on Hannity last night opine that the Malaysians are just incapable of dealing with this. Ya THINK?!
1 posted on 03/18/2014 9:02:41 AM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o

2 posted on 03/18/2014 9:04:31 AM PDT by Salamander (SNEK!!!)
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To: Salamander

Hmmmm, kinda reads like muslims can have affairs.


3 posted on 03/18/2014 9:07:05 AM PDT by SIRTRIS
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To: Salamander

How bloody ironic.

(And, that’s an A380 not a 777)


4 posted on 03/18/2014 9:07:58 AM PDT by FAA
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To: FAA
"(And, that’s an A380 not a 777)" Ha ha... Few too many engines there and an extra tier of seating.
5 posted on 03/18/2014 9:11:16 AM PDT by SouthParkRepublican
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To: don-o

6 posted on 03/18/2014 9:15:34 AM PDT by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: don-o

“..that the Malaysians are just incapable of dealing with this.”

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Or, maybe they do not want to deal with it. Until the plane is found, we will never know.


7 posted on 03/18/2014 9:16:09 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: SouthParkRepublican

So if they can’t tell the difference between their airplanes how can they be expected to find one?


8 posted on 03/18/2014 9:17:00 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: don-o

Ahmad and Hussein on the case. I can’t imagine what could go wrong.


9 posted on 03/18/2014 9:17:45 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: don-o
Does anyone know if this aircraft has first class, and if USB ports are available to passengers? Or in all seats? Could the flight software be hacked via a USB from a passenger seat? Or how about wirelessly by a passenger.

I recall there was that 'top secret' drone the U.S. was flying near Iran, then Iran hijacked the drone by commandeering the signals and flying it deep inside Iran.

What are the wireless vulnerabilities of this aircraft?

10 posted on 03/18/2014 9:19:20 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: don-o

“Heard an FBI guy on Hannity last night opine that the Malaysians are just incapable of dealing with this. Ya THINK?!”

A country that cannot deal wth this probably shouldn’t have an airline.


11 posted on 03/18/2014 9:25:37 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (John "Cupcake" Kerry. That's funny right thar, I tell you.)
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To: don-o

Malaysian clown show

12 posted on 03/18/2014 9:32:53 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: don-o

That could be the objective of the hijackers ... to destabilize the Malaysisan government by forcing them to deal publicly with an impossible situation.


13 posted on 03/18/2014 9:33:08 AM PDT by edwinland
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To: don-o

That could be the objective of the hijackers ... to destabilize the Malaysisan government by forcing them to deal publicly with an impossible situation.


14 posted on 03/18/2014 9:33:33 AM PDT by edwinland
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To: EagleUSA

I suspect it’s some of both. They’re not really equipped or organized to handle such an investigation and Lord knows they wish they weren’t going this one right now.


15 posted on 03/18/2014 9:35:48 AM PDT by FAA
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To: CivilWarBrewing

Aircraft systems aren’t designed by idiots. Everyone is free to speculate but this wasn’t caused by some mad hacker who commandeered the plane from seat 36F.


16 posted on 03/18/2014 9:36:28 AM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: don-o

I wouldn’t put it past Malaysian Airlines to steal their own airplane for insurance money.

My only question - what did they do with the passengers?


17 posted on 03/18/2014 9:38:12 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: don-o
The Malaysians have created a new equivalency.

"If the Malay government says it, it's probably a lie."

18 posted on 03/18/2014 9:38:53 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: CivilWarBrewing

IIRC, the 200ER version was not listed as having the computer vulnerability.

It also does not have the corrosion problem listed in that other Airworthiness Directive. It uses a different type of SATCOM antenna system.


19 posted on 03/18/2014 9:39:04 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: don-o

Unbelievable. Even more ambiguity added to the story...

I wonder how many tens of billions($) have been spent so far in search of this damn plane.

Apparently there was a ‘possible’ sighting in the Maldives.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10704769/Malaysian-Airlines-MH370-live.html

So the official and unofficial latest updated news is: No one has any clue where the plane is. Or at least if they know, they aren’t saying, for whatever reason.


20 posted on 03/18/2014 9:40:14 AM PDT by fiftymegaton (God Bless and Protect America)
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To: PGR88

Pull up to 45K, put your oxygen mask on, and depressurize the plane.

They will all be quiet in a few seconds.


21 posted on 03/18/2014 9:40:45 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

It will work at 35K, but take a little longer.


22 posted on 03/18/2014 9:41:15 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Salamander

That ad.. Talk about ‘prophetic’


23 posted on 03/18/2014 9:43:17 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Salamander

How did that bird sprout an extra engine?

It’s not a 777.
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24 posted on 03/18/2014 9:45:01 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: ltc8k6

I read that the oxygen supply to the passengers can not be disabled from the cockpit. On the other hand, I don’t think the pilots were flying this plane, or if a fire started, had much ability to make any inputs due to compromised electrical/software system.


25 posted on 03/18/2014 9:46:07 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: don-o

Aw Jeez. Not another theory.


26 posted on 03/18/2014 9:46:16 AM PDT by McGruff (They say the first casualty of war is truth)
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To: editor-surveyor

Do I *look* like an aircraft expert to you?

;D


27 posted on 03/18/2014 9:58:31 AM PDT by Salamander (SNEK!!!)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

It appeared all over FB today.

Freaky, if it’s real.


28 posted on 03/18/2014 9:59:23 AM PDT by Salamander (SNEK!!!)
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To: FAA

Hey now...let’s not go shooting the copy-and-paster.

:)


29 posted on 03/18/2014 10:00:48 AM PDT by Salamander (SNEK!!!)
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To: don-o
This whole affair was botched in the first five minutes.

1. The 777 was "handed off (identified)" to Viet Nam controller by Malay controller. This "hand-off can be automated or by voice landline. Situation normal.

2. Flight told by Malay to contact Viet on frequency ----- and flight says "All right, good night.' Situation still normal.

3. Within two minutes, Viet controller should be concerned that flight has not called. He should try calling him, if no answer then calls Malay to ascertain if he indeed "switched" the aircraft. Getting an affirmative, he would try calling the flight several times, as would the Malay......no answer comes from flight. Situation abnormal, but not very serious. There are many reasons for a flight to lose radio contact for a while, especially during frequency changes.

4. Transponder goes off. Situation now very serious. This ain't Carmen SanDiego. It appears neither controller has primary radar capability, or if they do they are not displaying a target.

5. In most areas of the world, military and civil aviation airspace are segregated, they have different responsibilities. In this instance, both controllers should be contacting their military air defense commands to see if they have any corresponding targets. Within ten minutes, their should be intense activity in radar units in both countries. (It appears that Thailand tracked the "turn", but whether this was done realtime or by tape review is unclear. Regardless, both Malay and Viet units would have been aware of Thai capabilities, so they should have been called immediately.

6. It took at least 60 minutes for the flight to clear Malay airspace. If, within 30 minutes of the alert (probably less), no contact was made, air assets should have been sent up.

Timely, responsible actions by air traffic and military controllers would have led to a resolution of this affair quickly. It still may not have been a pretty resolution, but look at what their failures have left us.

At what point in this proper chain of events was the ball dropped? The Malay Gov't sure isn't saying, and, sadly for future aviation safety, we may never know.

30 posted on 03/18/2014 10:08:24 AM PDT by diogenes ghost
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Haven’t commented upon cons-p-air-a-cies till now but how about this ? Computer generated radio signals set on frequencies used by the sundry monitors that would show a “friendly identity” from the transponder and other monitor equipment of an existing flight as it enters over unfriendly territory as it heads to its secret landing field.


31 posted on 03/18/2014 10:08:49 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Salamander; CivilWarBrewing

The ad is a spoof, nothing real about it.


32 posted on 03/18/2014 10:13:05 AM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: CivilWarBrewing

No, the passenger oxygen system cannot be disabled from the cockpit. An intentional high altitude depressurization would make the masks irrelevant. At 45K, you need a pressure mask to stay alive. The drop down masks will not help you.

If the plane flew for a long time and turned at waypoints, then it seems unlikely that there was any serious cockpit fire. A serious cockpit fire would likely have disabled the flight computer and the autopilot.


33 posted on 03/18/2014 10:52:18 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: bigbob
Based on what I've read about Zaharie Shah, he doesn't seem like the sort of man who'd wipe out an entire plane full of passengers by depriving them all of oxygen. This is a heinous act, and I don't think he's Muslim or affiliated with that crazed ideology.

What if a ground crew member tampered with the cockpit door lock ahead of the flight, for a passenger to breach once the flight took off? The Iranian dude on board with the Elvis hair looks suspicious to me.

34 posted on 03/18/2014 11:26:56 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: ltc8k6
Have these two, Pouria Nour Mohammad Mehrdad and Delavar Syed Mohammad Reza been fully vetted?

Second from left and far right, respectively:


35 posted on 03/18/2014 11:37:17 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: CivilWarBrewing

I believe I have read that they have.


36 posted on 03/18/2014 7:12:18 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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