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Shooting Starts in Crimea as Putin Defends Annexation
PJ Media ^ | March 18, 2014 | Bryan Preston

Posted on 03/18/2014 10:18:58 AM PDT by AU72

Multiple outlets are reporting that Russian troops stormed a Ukrainian military base in Simferopol, Crimea today. At this point, Reuters is reporting one Ukrainian soldier was killed; this De Welt report says the soldier was wounded.

Troops stormed a Ukrainian base on the outskirts of Simferopol on Tuesday, according to a Ukrainian military spokesman.

One Ukrainian officer was reported to have been wounded in the neck. There was no immediate indication of who was behind the incident, although Kyiv soon afterwards said Russia was responsible for the attack.

Immediately after the incident, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatseniuk said the conflict had moved from a political to a military stage.

“Today, Russian soldiers began shooting at Ukrainian servicemen,” said Yatseniuk. “This is a war crime.”

The storming of the base in Simferopol comes as Russian President Vladimir Putin delivered an address to his rubber-stamp parliament. In that address Putin called Crimea an integral part of Russia. Putin also accused Ukraine’s current leaders of being controlled by anti-Semitic radicals, and stated that Russia had no choice but to intervene in Crimea once Yanukovych was ousted. Putin’s address sets the stage for the annexation of Crimea, and lays down the logic by which he will eventually move into eastern Ukraine.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: crimea; momjeans; putin; russia; simferopol; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
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Shooting started, when you it stop?
1 posted on 03/18/2014 10:18:58 AM PDT by AU72
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To: AU72

No one knows who’s doing the shooting.


2 posted on 03/18/2014 10:21:05 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: AU72
I don't know what a war crime is anymore.

3 posted on 03/18/2014 10:22:51 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: AU72

No surprise. Putin’s been wanting to kick some ass. He’s in a defacto alliance with Iran and will arm them with a nuke soon, too.


4 posted on 03/18/2014 10:23:48 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Reports conflict. Some say shot in neck, others say shoulder. Some say death, others say wounded. Some say sniper from another building, shooting at Ukrainian and Crimean forces at same time.


5 posted on 03/18/2014 10:33:20 AM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Genoa

Everything is a crime now...didn’t you get the memo?


6 posted on 03/18/2014 10:34:38 AM PDT by Magnum44 (I have had just about enough)
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To: AU72

“said Yatseniuk. “This is a war crime.””

What a monkey! If you are not willing to call a uniformed Russian soldier shooting a uniformed Ukrainian soldier in a territory claimed by both counties a legitimate act of war, there are no legitimate acts of war. I served my time in the Army mostly during the cold war and I don’t like Russians much, but I like liars less.


7 posted on 03/18/2014 10:35:23 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: AU72

bad news

They should have just surrounded the base and stood their ground, and let anyone leave UNARMED

Then the Ukranians would have had to fire the first shot.


8 posted on 03/18/2014 10:35:31 AM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: Mr. K
IIRC, Crimeans had "X" hours to leave Crimea, stay and go home but give up their arms or join the Russian Army.

Just by numbers alone Ukrainian Nationalists were outnumbered 2 to 1 not even counting any Russian which came into Crimea.

9 posted on 03/18/2014 10:42:11 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: thorvaldr

How about a US president that is judge and jury empowered to take out Americans on foreign soil?


10 posted on 03/18/2014 10:42:52 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: listenhillary

This is a point I have been trying to make. Let’s restore our own freedoms here before we worry about those in other countries. And why does no one care about Tibet but Crimea is the horror of the century?


11 posted on 03/18/2014 10:58:36 AM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: MarMema

Why? George Soros wanted to harvest Ukraine. Now he is unhappy.


12 posted on 03/18/2014 11:03:36 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: thorvaldr

Was Pearl Harbor a “war crime” when the Japanese bombed it?


13 posted on 03/18/2014 11:09:56 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: MarMema
Tibet offers nothing to the Powers that be...so there's no interest.... Unfortunately their religion and focus on “Being Happy’ rather than developing their people and country, left them uneducated and unfortunately unable to do more than menial work....if that. Many cannot read or write. They are dependent on India as a welfare group...and those under China's rule are fast becoming extinct.

There is "little Tibet" they could go to if they wanted to really be independent....but the youth prefer the cities because they have no interest in being farmers, as they exist as that in "Little Tibet" for the most part.

They will never have a country again...even the Dali Lama has stated that and has stepped down from being a political leader.

14 posted on 03/18/2014 11:12:13 AM PDT by caww
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To: AU72
Didn't President Clinton promise Crimea that the United States would defend them militarily if they promised to give up their nukes? Well, they gave up their nukes, and we've not defended them now Russia has Crimea.

Obama should've sent military assets to Crimea 3 months ago. Obama is the most negligent president in U.S. history, but then again he is probably in support of the expansion of Communism and is faking his outrage. No sanctions on Putin speaks volumes.

Russian reset, backing the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, bombing Libya leaving it to descend into chaos and Benghazi, secret negotiations between a woman born in Iran (Valerie Jarrett) and Iran which can only result in Iran getting nukes, trashing Israel, now failing to defend Crimea.. What a train wreck!

15 posted on 03/18/2014 11:13:41 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: AU72

Hoo boy.


16 posted on 03/18/2014 11:13:46 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Sacajaweau

It was reported very early on when Russian troops first began taking over the bases, that Ukrainian troops were given opportunity to lay down their arms and go home if they weren’t interested in joining the Russian Military. Most refused.


17 posted on 03/18/2014 11:16:22 AM PDT by caww
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To: Sacajaweau

It was reported very early on when Russian troops first began taking over the bases, that Ukrainian troops were given opportunity to lay down their arms and go home if they weren’t interested in joining the Russian Military. Most refused.


18 posted on 03/18/2014 11:16:22 AM PDT by caww
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To: Sacajaweau

No one knows who’s doing the shooting.


No, it’s Russian soldiers and everybody knows it. The kenyan and merkel don’t want to escalate the situation by directly accusing Russia. These are war crimes and there is a process for that.


19 posted on 03/18/2014 11:17:46 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: caww
One thing I will say for Tibetans. They did not try to play McCain and others into supporting them.

I am so tired of eager puppets these days.

Can we not get a decent leadership in place here before we worry about Putin?

20 posted on 03/18/2014 11:19:30 AM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: elhombrelibre

“He’s in a defacto alliance with Iran and will arm them with a nuke soon, too.”

if Obama is also in iran’s corner, how does any of this make sense?


21 posted on 03/18/2014 11:19:54 AM PDT by willywill
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To: willywill

It makes sense if Obastard is cooperating with the Iranians to establish the Caliphate.


22 posted on 03/18/2014 11:21:15 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: lodi90

Time for Obozo to draw ANOTHER red line.


23 posted on 03/18/2014 11:21:17 AM PDT by rickomatic
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To: elhombrelibre
He’s in a defacto alliance with Iran and will arm them with a nuke soon, too.

Yup, Gog and Magog.

24 posted on 03/18/2014 11:31:26 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Genoa

a war crime is anything the winner says it is.


25 posted on 03/18/2014 11:36:30 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: AU72

Has Obama imposed a news photo-blackout inside the US?


26 posted on 03/18/2014 11:38:41 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Surveillance means you already are a subject of the government. Smile and bow!)
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To: MarMema

No one seems to care about the millions of Christians being slaughtered throughout Africa, but we seem to care a great deal about a few Sodomites gets beat up there.

Make no mistake, you will know them by their actions.

And our imperial president has shown quite clearly through his actions who he does and doesn’t stand with.


27 posted on 03/18/2014 11:38:49 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: AU72

The shooters are probably the same agents provocateur group that cornered Russia into taking this drastic action.

What’s left of western civilization is slowly fading from a death of 10,000 cuts...

...other than that, I dunnno.


28 posted on 03/18/2014 11:48:30 AM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: MarMema

....”Can we not get a decent leadership in place here before we worry about Putin?”.....

Actually Putin’s on the move ‘because’ he knows his time is limited under the weak leadership of the Obama Administration...and knows the world as a whole is battle weary from these wars...citizens do not want any more wars. So this plays into his acting now.

Tibetans can’t get support even if they wanted to. At best they may be “used” as leverage if China gets too pushy. Just like Obama invited the Dali Lama to the whitehouse to irritate.....it had nothing to do with their plight.


29 posted on 03/18/2014 11:48:47 AM PDT by caww
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To: Sacajaweau
No one knows who’s doing the shooting.

It's those damned Dutch again, isn't it?

30 posted on 03/18/2014 12:02:26 PM PDT by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: AU72

FROM RT:

The Kryminform news agency, citing an unnamed local police source, reports shooting came from a house under construction opposite the center and targeted Crimean self-defense units as well the military center itself.

“Earlier today self-defense units were informed that a group of armed men had been discovered in a partially inhabited building,” a source from the ministry said. “As they were taking measures to check, self-defense units came under fire. One man was killed, one wounded,” the source explained, adding that shooting came “in two directions from one spot”.

The Kryminform source claimed another man from the military center was wounded.

RT’s producer contacted staff inside the military center, who confirmed that the shooting did take place and came from a nearby house under construction. At the same time, the man had no information on the casualties.

Meanwhile, multiple reports that a Ukrainian serviceman died in the incident are unconfirmed by our crew at the scene.


31 posted on 03/18/2014 12:06:53 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: AU72

Ruh Roh.


32 posted on 03/18/2014 12:14:18 PM PDT by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: rickomatic

Time for a round of golf.


33 posted on 03/18/2014 12:15:27 PM PDT by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: tcrlaf

So they snipped and killed a Ukrainian soldier and, just to be fair, shot a Crimean self-defense member?


34 posted on 03/18/2014 12:28:45 PM PDT by Justa
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RT’s producer contacted staff...

Russian. Government. Funded.

35 posted on 03/18/2014 12:45:17 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

SO???
Which is the better propaganda then?

Gov-funded RT?
Soros-funded reports?
Gay-controlled US Media reports?

Take ALL sources, then divine the truth from there.


36 posted on 03/18/2014 12:46:56 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf
Which is the better propaganda then?

LOL. There's such a thing as better (accurate) propaganda?

I question all reports. I reject all propaganda.

37 posted on 03/18/2014 12:51:42 PM PDT by FreeReign
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“Today, Russian soldiers began shooting at Ukrainian servicemen,” said Yatseniuk. “This is a war crime.”

?


38 posted on 03/18/2014 2:18:01 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: Sacajaweau

Guns are doing it. Guns always kill, just as SUVs always collide with smaller vehicles. More control is always the answer, so long as you ask the right question. Oh, and the people with their hands on the triggers are also partially responsible, because they will not negotiate and thus cause the never-ending spiral of violence to escalate. As for which side is right and which side wrong, those are relative terms.


39 posted on 03/18/2014 4:59:57 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: caww

And the Russians offered caviar, bouquets, and vodka. So I heard.


40 posted on 03/18/2014 5:28:19 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: FreeReign
Did you see this? whataboutism.

Readers of a certain vintage will likely recall the oleaginous, Brooklyn-accented Vladimir Pozner, an American citizen domiciled in Moscow who regularly popped up on television in the waning days of the Cold War, propagandizing on behalf of the Kremlin. Pozner was a rather impressive practitioner of whataboutism, the debate tactic demanding that questions about morally indefensible acts committed by your side be deflected with pettifogging discussion of unrelated sins committed by your opponent’s side. Soviet tanks lumbering through the streets of Prague? Yes, but what about the mistreatment of the Native Americans? East Germany’s reluctant citizens penned in by an imposing cement wall, ringed by trigger-happy border guards? A necessary “anti-fascist protection barrier,” sure, but...what about Hiroshima?

41 posted on 03/18/2014 5:31:40 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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...cornered Russia into taking this drastic action.

Yeah, why are these little countries picking-on poor, defenseless Russia? Georgia, Ukraine, Lithuania, Estonia . . . .

42 posted on 03/18/2014 5:34:06 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

I saw a report that said the Russians had caught one of the snipers and the other one was still on the run. If thats true, they’ll find out soon enough who was behind the shooting.


43 posted on 03/18/2014 5:45:21 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: 1rudeboy
Whataboutism describes it well.

And I remember Vladimir Pozner. The guy had no central core values except one. Rationalize everything about his Soviet government.

44 posted on 03/18/2014 5:57:55 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
"RT is Russian state-owned media."
"What about MSNBC?"
45 posted on 03/18/2014 6:02:47 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Some reporters are saying it was a Russian that was killed...we sure aren't going to know which is which on pretty much anything at this point...the media/propaganda war is more than thick!

Even this is out there..."Ukrianina leader threatens to blow up gas pipelines"....and like him to do so..but true? or not? Who can really say...too much dust in the air...


46 posted on 03/18/2014 6:23:10 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

The first casualty of war....


47 posted on 03/18/2014 6:24:38 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: 1rudeboy

Journalist on tweeter are getting frustrated....one claimed all western and euro media is saying the same thing, word for word,...and Russia media likewise. Doubt there’s much truth in the thick of it now.


48 posted on 03/18/2014 6:25:56 PM PDT by caww
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To: dfwgator

I could live with that! LOL....such a thug!


49 posted on 03/18/2014 6:26:52 PM PDT by caww
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To: dfwgator

State Department has put up a counter propaganda sight now, they said.....in order to “correct’ media.

Mentioned Putin didn’t use the word ‘gun’ in his speech as media has been reporting.....rather Putin really said,... “U.S. guided by ‘the rule of the dumb’ in foreign policy.”


50 posted on 03/18/2014 6:30:00 PM PDT by caww
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