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Why Europe can't hit Russia with its biggest club: energy sanctions
csmonitor.com ^ | March 18, 2014 | By David J. Unger

Posted on 03/18/2014 12:01:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Europe has acute concerns about Russia's military intervention and annexation of Crimea – it's doling out aid to Ukraine and imposing sanctions on Russian individuals.

But its potentially most punitive weapon – blocking Russian energy exports – remains out of reach. However much Europe might like to express its displeasure by targeting a major part of Russia's economy, it confronts one inescapable fact: It needs Russia's natural gas and oil.

Europe's dependency has concerned both the European Union and the United States for decades, but the current political crisis in Ukraine has driven home the urgent need for Europe to move more aggressively to diversify its energy sources – particularly its natural gas – thus allowing Brussels to be more economically secure, not to mention more geopolitically nimble in challenging Moscow.

Russia's "repeated and persistent and malicious use of energy as a weapon" just ups the urgency for Europe, says David Goldwyn, who served as the US State Department's special envoy and coordinator for international energy affairs from 2009 to 2011. "What's happening in Ukraine points out that [supply diversification] was absolutely the right policy to pursue, but it is an unfinished policy."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: europeanunion; iran; obama; opec; putin; russia; saudiarabia; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
Must be a lesson in there somewhere. Drill, baby, drill.
1 posted on 03/18/2014 12:01:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
the urgent need for Europe to move more aggressively to diversify its energy sources

Well the first thing I would do is shut down all the nuclear energy plants. You know, in case of tsunami.

2 posted on 03/18/2014 12:04:31 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Jim Robinson

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-us-intelligence-russia-ukraine-20140303,0,4657644.story#axzz2wGyN5c00


3 posted on 03/18/2014 12:08:39 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Jim Robinson
Why Europe can't hit Russia with its biggest club: energy sanctions

Uhh, because it gets a commanding percentage of its energy from Russia?

Duh.

4 posted on 03/18/2014 12:10:29 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Jim Robinson

“He who controls the spice, controls the universe”

or in this case, oil.


5 posted on 03/18/2014 12:14:40 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Rush answered it towards the end of his show. Russia OWNS the energy lines. Case closed.


6 posted on 03/18/2014 12:15:30 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Jim Robinson

The best thing that the US could do would be to greatly increase their energy production so they could furnish Europes energy needs. Of course, obama is preventing this from happening.


7 posted on 03/18/2014 12:16:13 PM PDT by macglencoe (You see what the left hand is doing, but you should be watching the right hand.)
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Gee, if there only was a source of gas outside of Russia that could supply Europe.....I wonder where it could be?


8 posted on 03/18/2014 12:17:39 PM PDT by dfwgator
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The EU could start by telling Obama they no longer are supporting the climate change scam and encourage him to start upping US energy production. Get Lil georgie in for a meeting.

But they won’t. Leftists will go down along with their stupid ideology. Oh, and take all the other dopes along with them.


9 posted on 03/18/2014 12:22:00 PM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

It’s pretty ironic that Putin is building his economy through oil while Obama is destroying ours by trying to kill oil.


10 posted on 03/18/2014 12:25:53 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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I have a hard time coping with this. We have a communist in the White House and we want to go fight communist aggression?

Heaven help me.


11 posted on 03/18/2014 12:31:00 PM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

With the George Soros as the instigator.


12 posted on 03/18/2014 12:33:41 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: dforest

It is mind boggling. Not sure Russia is even communist anymore. Maybe more fascist. But then, Obama’s a fascist, too. A Marxist/fascist. Who knows? Maybe the conspiracy theorists are right. Maybe Obama and Putin have cut a pact. Kinda like Stalin and Hitler re: Poland. Can’t trust either, but know that someone is gonna get a knife in the back. Probably us.


13 posted on 03/18/2014 12:37:22 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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Wind and solar should be ready to take over any day now. Or so I'm told.

Actually we called this on FR at least two weeks ago. It's all over but the shouting, and the shouting seems to be coming along very nicely.

14 posted on 03/18/2014 12:38:38 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Biggirl
Rush answered it towards the end of his show. Russia OWNS the energy lines. Case closed

What happens if the right-wingers in the Ukraine decide to play hardball and threaten to, or actually start to sabotage the lines running through the Ukraine? You think the EU will immediately come to their defense?

15 posted on 03/18/2014 12:42:13 PM PDT by Go Gordon (Barack McGreevey Obama)
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To: Jim Robinson

It is looking more and more like history is starting to repeat itself.


16 posted on 03/18/2014 12:45:17 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Jim Robinson

“Maybe Obama and Putin have cut a pact”.

I was thinking that myself today. I do remember that I heard Obama and Richard Lugar traveled to the Soviet Union together some years ago.

This mess has so confused people. But we have to keep in mind what is happening right here in the US. Obama is supported fully by real Communists. People on this site seem to forget that when a re-emergence of the cold war may loom. But things are not the same anymore. Our country now espouses much of the same as those who were our enemy.

How do we pretend we are on the right side when we really are not? Obama does not believe as I do. I do not see him as an American President operating for the good of this country and for the interests of the American people.

Was this on purpose?


17 posted on 03/18/2014 12:46:20 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Jeff Chandler

the urgent need for Europe to move more aggressively to diversify its energy sources
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Well the first thing I would do is shut down all the nuclear energy plants. You know, in case of tsunami.

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LOL -— Yep, we all know the historical problems that tsunamis have presented to Germany!!


18 posted on 03/18/2014 12:46:56 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Go Gordon
What happens if the right-wingers in the Ukraine decide to play hardball and threaten to, or actually start to sabotage the lines running through the Ukraine? You think the EU will immediately come to their defense?

This will happen withing the next two months.

However, those that put C4 on those pipelines will be Russian Spentnaz forces. Russia will then "BE FORCED" to attack the Ukraine to secure the Russian Pipelines and assure the delivery of Natural Gas and Oil to Europe.

Russia can crush the military of the Ukraine. Russia could not crush the Muhadadin in Afghanistan whom had little classic military training but were guerrilas of extraordianry skill and ferocity. However, even the Muhadadin could not have done it with out stinger missiles. The answer to the Ukraine is to flood it with shoulder held anti aircraft missiles and tow missiles that will take out tanks.

19 posted on 03/18/2014 1:02:41 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Go Gordon
"What happens if the right-wingers in the Ukraine decide to play hardball..."

Me thinks there is a possibility that the protests in the Ukraine that precipitated this situation were filled with Russian supporters. Did Putin orchestrate the whole thing, including the Olympic security threat in Sochi, so as to mask the troop movements of forces that were sent into the Crimea? Game, set, and match before our Regime knew what happened.

20 posted on 03/18/2014 1:09:42 PM PDT by buckalfa (Tilting at Windmills)
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To: Jim Robinson
One of the rare clashes between Reagan and Thatcher was over the then Soviet gas pipeline to Western Europe.

IIRC, UK-based GEC licensed the gas compressor technology from a US company, and was going to make out on the pipeline's construction.

21 posted on 03/18/2014 1:18:23 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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“Me thinks there is a possibility that the protests in the Ukraine that precipitated this situation were filled with Russian supporters. Did Putin orchestrate the whole thing”

Highly unlikely...
These protests just didn’t “pop up” when the US Media decided to cover them.
Ukraine’s economy has been in shambles for a long time. The injection of the Open Society Orgs to create chaos, and the US State department picking sides, brought it to a head, just like has been done in Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt.

Only this time, someone has been watching it all unfold, and probably made preparations some time ago for seizing back control of Crimea, should the Ukraine fall in to chaos. It is just too important to Russia, historically and economically, to be allowed to fall into the hands of those that could be hostile to Russia.


22 posted on 03/18/2014 1:44:00 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Jim Robinson

I have this sneaking hunch that our oil is hocked for foreign loans.


23 posted on 03/18/2014 3:35:37 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here.)
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The fact is that the UK is sitting on 100 years -minimum - of natural gas supplies. However, Brits have been brainwashed by the eco-fascists that fraking causes earthquakes, water pollution and probably hemorrhoids.

Europe itself has at least 150 years of coal.

Europeans, at times, can be stone-cold stupid 50 IQ apes.


24 posted on 03/18/2014 5:35:59 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: cpdiii; Go Gordon
Russia can crush the military of the Ukraine. Russia could not crush the Muhadadin in Afghanistan whom had little classic military training but were guerrilas of extraordianry skill and ferocity. However, even the Muhadadin could not have done it with out stinger missiles. The answer to the Ukraine is to flood it with shoulder held anti aircraft missiles and tow missiles that will take out tanks.

I think this is an issue that requires some thought and logic. The reason the Soviets had problems in Afghanistan was a mix of (i) the Soviet 40th Army, or OKSVA, that was comprised of ill-trained/equipped conscripts, (ii) longer supply chains than prudent, and (iii) billions of Dollars worth of money and equipment from the US (and allies) to the Peshawar Seven Mujahadeen. The first two were bad enough, and adding the assistance to the Mujahadeen simply made the whole thing a nightmare ...not to mention that even though there were far more Afghans killed by the Soviets than the inverse, the Afghans believed they were Shaheed and would go to heaven anyways, thus the massive shock tactics did not work.

That conflict started over three decades ago, and a lot has gone under 'lessons learned.' Ukraine would be different

- far shorter supply chains, with strong local support along the eastern part of the country.

- an army that is professional. Many people still bring up Russian use of conscripts, when in 2006 the Russians reduced the number of years for conscription from 24 months to 12 months, and more importantly in 2012, had almost 200,000 professional soldiers, with a plan to increase that to 500,000. Finally, conscripts are not to be used in war. Anyways, the troops that would go to the Ukraine, if a conflagration were to break out, would be the very best Russia has ...both in terms of training and equipment.

- going back to Afghanistan, before the 40th OKSVA came in, all action in Afghanistan was by the Soviet special forces, specifically the Alfa, Zenith and GRU groups. They are the folk who killed the Afghan guards protecting the presidential palace, murdered president Amin and rolled him up in a carpet for transport.

- Flooding Ukraine with ATGMs and MANPAD SAMs would be a gift to Putin. Rather than settling for Crimea, and maybe Eastern Ukraine, that would be the perfect casus belli to go through the whole of the Ukraine.

- more recently, looking at the difference in the outcome of the First Chechen war versus the Second Chechen war shows that the Russians learned a lot.

Anyways, my thoughts on the best option would be for Europe to start exploring and exploiting its own energy supplies, to ensure that the energy weapon in Russia's hand cannot be used in the future. It remains to be seen whether the Europeans will do so. The US also needs to get a stronger president next time who is someone that Putin would take seriously, and also someone who adheres to the Constitution (for domestic issues) and proper procedure (for foreign policy decisions). It is difficult for Obama to be taken seriously after the Egypt, Libyan, and Syrian 'interventions.'

Disclaimer: Due to certain experiences on FR during the 2008 Georgia-Russia war, where some FReepers stupidly thought I was Russian (or supported Russia) due to my screen name, I am not Russian and do not support Russia in any land grabs. My last two posts (in my history) give more information of my thoughts on the issue, and also why I chose the moniker 'Spetznaz.' It is just that I do not believe in straight black-and-white thinking, where everything is that clear cut. There are many grays in most issues. Putin is a bully with power who believes he is right and is supported by most of his citizens. Obama is a coward with power who believes he is right and is supported by all he allows to be around him.

25 posted on 03/19/2014 4:44:04 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: macglencoe

We don’t need to increase production. We sitting on an enormous surplus of natural gas right now. Those wells have already been drilled. The collection lines, compressor stations when necessary and pipelines have been under construction years before Putin threw his temper tantrum. The federales need to issue the permits to build the LNG export facilities for which they already ave the applications.

After that it’s all down hill for Russia. For g&g throw in the Keystone permit to go ahead and deliver the coup de grace to Venezeula who is a Russia client. We bled the Russians before. We can do it again. Obama just needs to get his happy ass out of the way.


26 posted on 03/19/2014 9:13:54 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: meatloaf

Obama will never let it happen.


27 posted on 03/19/2014 9:15:25 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

I know that. Take a look at my tagline. The election on November 4 should be called “A” Day. Remember “D” Day? “A” Day will be freedom for America day. If it goes the way it’s shaping up, it should be full speed ahead with Obama’s impeachment afterwards.

We don’t need to intimidate Putin. We need to intimidate Obama. Spread the word. November 4, 2014 is “A” Day.


28 posted on 03/19/2014 9:47:50 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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