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Why taking over the Senate may not do Republicans much good
Washington Post ^ | 03/18/2014 | Paul Waldman

Posted on 03/18/2014 12:41:23 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

There’s an old story about a freshman member of the House who is getting shown around by a senior member on his first day, and the freshman asks about the other party. “I want to meet the enemy,” he says. “No, son,” says the old bull, “they’re the opposition. The Senate is the enemy.” I thought about that today as the prospect of a Republican takeover of the Senate becomes more of a possibility. If the GOP controlled both houses, would Republicans be able to present a united front against President Obama, one that might actually accomplish any practical goals? There are some clues in the maneuvering that’s going on right now over health care as Republicans look forward to this fall’s elections.

To begin with, we should acknowledge that a Republican takeover of the upper house is anything but a sure thing. The midterms are still seven and a half months away, and a lot could happen between now and then. There could be an economic crisis, or months of solid job growth, or an alien invasion, or who knows what.

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If the Republicans do take the Senate, they won’t have a lot of time to savor the victory, because two years later they’re going to be the ones defending more seats (see Sean Trende’s analysis for more details). That makes it entirely possible, maybe even likely, that Republicans will have control of both houses for only two years, and after 2016 we’ll go back to the way things are now. So can they legislate during that time?

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1 posted on 03/18/2014 12:41:23 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, let’s just do it anyway and find out.


2 posted on 03/18/2014 12:43:22 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Because they don’t know what to do with it once they have it.


3 posted on 03/18/2014 12:44:19 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

True, unfortunately. So just don’t show up in November. Those Democrats all mean well anyway!


4 posted on 03/18/2014 12:46:03 PM PDT by gr8eman (But thermodynamics is just a social construct, created by the ruling white power structure)
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To: SeekAndFind

Their job will be to make Obama musclebound in that left arm from signing vetoes and force him to order Maalox in 55 gal. drums.


5 posted on 03/18/2014 12:46:15 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

If the GOP takes over Congress, the REAL obstructionists will be exposed.


6 posted on 03/18/2014 12:46:33 PM PDT by shove_it (my real nickname is Otter)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, that settles it. Just forget the whole election thing. Waaay too much effort.


7 posted on 03/18/2014 12:46:42 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: SeekAndFind
Oh, sure - the Congress could vote down every one of Obama's radical appointments and if they had the actual guts to impeach the twit, they could do it.

Other than that, they're right - we'd be helpless.

8 posted on 03/18/2014 12:47:25 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Sure they do, they’ll make up nicey-nice rules and reach across the aisle and share power with minority leader Hemmreid and makes lots of noise, while the GOP nominates Jeb Bush who gets his ass kicked and President Hillary vetoes anything they put forth that she doesn’t like.


9 posted on 03/18/2014 12:48:13 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: SeekAndFind

That’s why we need President Cruz.


10 posted on 03/18/2014 12:48:14 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.")
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To: SeekAndFind

> Why taking over the Senate may not do Republicans much good
Sounds like a statement by a Democrat who hopes the Republicans won’t bother trying.
The Republicans should take the Senate if for no other reason than to watch the Panic Show that will be the Democrats running about with the “hair on fire”.


11 posted on 03/18/2014 12:50:13 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Oh agreed. Let’s just do it. Though they truly will only get 2 years and blown out in 2016, I’m def down with ... well let’s just try.


12 posted on 03/18/2014 12:54:18 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: SeekAndFind

It can stop extremist appointments, including the supreme court. It can deadlock the government, making large spending increases unlikely.


13 posted on 03/18/2014 12:54:49 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: SeekAndFind

Calling Article V..... Yello!


14 posted on 03/18/2014 12:54:49 PM PDT by Phinneous
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To: SeekAndFind

Remember, there was a time when republicans held the House, Senate and Executive Branch. How’d that work out for us again?

Gawd help us, one way or another.


15 posted on 03/18/2014 12:55:09 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe true but it certainly won’t do the Dems any good.


16 posted on 03/18/2014 12:55:26 PM PDT by amnestynone
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To: Vince Ferrer

Lets give it the ol college try anyway


17 posted on 03/18/2014 12:55:41 PM PDT by Josa
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To: SeekAndFind

Stupid article. To stop judicial nominees ALONE, it is worth winning the Senate. NOTHING is currently more destructive to American life than the activist judiciary.


18 posted on 03/18/2014 12:56:23 PM PDT by montag813
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To: SeekAndFind
IF Sen. Mitch "Reid's *itch" McConnell (Wdc-GOP/e), Is
still in the Senate next year; Then, It won't really matter..
he's been compromised, sleeping around w/ whores.

19 posted on 03/18/2014 12:58:11 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: SeekAndFind

Seems to me the Washington Compost is already putting out its post election spin.

Of course even if the GOP does take over the Senate, nothing much will get done in the last remaining two years of the BHO Administration. But that’s the point.


20 posted on 03/18/2014 12:58:41 PM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: SeekAndFind
Republicans need to do some long term damage to Democrats' reputation.

If Republicans can organize all the scandals under a single theme showing Democrats' efforts to dishonestly manipulate the vote, that might do lasting damage.

Instead of separate hearings on the IRS and Benghazi, show how they were both part of a larger pattern to control and manipulate the public. With that, Obama's executive orders delaying provisions of Obamacare can be brought in as additional actions to manipulate the elections.

The American people need to know Democrats can't be trusted. Hearings on election manipulation would include most of the scandals and tie everything together for the average voter.

21 posted on 03/18/2014 12:59:47 PM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: SeekAndFind

It will be worth it just to see Harry Reid knocked down a notch.


22 posted on 03/18/2014 1:00:23 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Albert Einstein: The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: montag813

RE: To stop judicial nominees ALONE, it is worth winning the Senate

How will this work?

Obama proposes a justice who will replace a retired Ruth Ginsburg.

Congress rejects the replacement

Obama persists

Congress persists as well

The seat is vacant till 2017...

That’s OK?


23 posted on 03/18/2014 1:01:08 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (question is this)
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To: SeekAndFind

The article is trying to convince me that stripping Harry Reid of his powers will be meaningless.

This is why less and less people follow the news. They don’t want to be dumber after reading their article.


24 posted on 03/18/2014 1:02:35 PM PDT by kidd
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To: SeekAndFind
To a certain degree, the question is moot as long as Obama is president. Anything big and consequential on the Republican agenda would get vetoed.

Anything on the Republican agenda will be filibustered long before it could be sent to Obama.

25 posted on 03/18/2014 1:04:53 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: SeekAndFind

Gee Wizz WaPoop, it hasn’t done the Republicans any good at all not having control! Why not elect all Republicans to the Senate and just to find out what happens?


26 posted on 03/18/2014 1:05:09 PM PDT by Rock N Jones
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To: SeekAndFind

Paul Waldman

Paul Waldman of Media Matters Action Network

Media Matters Action Network launched Political Correction to hold conservative politicians and advocacy groups accountable

he coauthored with David Brock

27 posted on 03/18/2014 1:07:15 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: SeekAndFind
I read the headline and immediately thought; with his pin and phone maybe the obozo is going to nullify both houses of congress. He may as well and while he's at it, nullify the supreme court too. They all have proven useless over the past 5 years.
28 posted on 03/18/2014 1:09:12 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, let’s just do it anyway and find out.

I'm game. We will try to give you one Senator from Michigan.

29 posted on 03/18/2014 1:11:37 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Jim Robinson

Good response. True, it may not be much good, but what difference does it really make!


30 posted on 03/18/2014 1:11:46 PM PDT by dforest
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To: SeekAndFind; All
I suspect that Mr. Waldman is clueless about Congress's power to override presidential vetoes. More specifically, the Founding States made the Constitution's Clause 2 of Section 7 of Article I to give Congress the power to override presidential vetoes if 2/3 of both Houses vote for an override.

Note that Congress has used this power as recently as Bushes 41 & 43, and also with Clinton.

List of United States presidential vetoes

What this means if that if patriots and former Obama supporters can get organized to elect 2/3 conservative majority control of both Houses by both Democrats and Republicans in the 2014 elections then Congress can repeal constitutionally indefensible Obamacare Democratcare for example, without Obama's signature.

So contrary to Mr. Waldman's arguement about questionable advantages if Republicans win the Senate, there are distinct advantanges if patriots win both the Senate and the HoR.

31 posted on 03/18/2014 1:12:10 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: montag813

Yeah, so we can get more traitors, like Judas Roberts in the Supreme Court.


32 posted on 03/18/2014 1:13:36 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Chainmail

re: impeaching Baraq

I really don’t think having SlowJoe as POTUS would really improve the situation.


33 posted on 03/18/2014 1:13:49 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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Yeah....but the beauty thing of Repubs holding the Senate---is Harry gets a new office ....in the sub-basement, next to the furnace.

Harry'll just love his brand-new cardboard desk (some assembly required). Although I hear phone service isn't hooked up down there yet. Too bad.

Give 'ol Harry a comfortable desk chair---and tell him not to
worry about all those silly electrical switches laying around.


34 posted on 03/18/2014 1:13:50 PM PDT by Liz
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To: SeekAndFind

More of his GARBAGE! Paid for by George Soros...

Editor’s note: Paul Waldman is a contributing editor at The American Prospect and the author of “Being Right Is Not Enough: What Progressives Must Learn From Conservative Success.” Follow him on his blog and on Twitter.

(CNN) — It’s hard to overstate how frustrated Republicans have been over the last few years by their failure to gin up a juicy Obama administration scandal.

They tried with Solyndra and “Fast and Furious,” but those turned out to be gigantic nothing burgers. Well now at last, they may have something, in either Benghazi or the IRS targeting conservative groups. Unlike Benghazi, where even the Republicans claiming it was “worse than Watergate” can’t quite say what the misconduct was (unless you consider squabbling over talking points to be a nefarious and earth-shattering crime), the IRS affair is pretty straightforward.

From what we know, employees in the Cincinnati IRS office singled out conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status for extra scrutiny. If that turns out to be true, then it was absolutely wrong and the people responsible should be held to account, as everyone in both parties up to and including President Obama has agreed. But this controversy shines a light on a larger problem in the way our tax system interacts with our political system.

Obama says some IRS employees ‘failed,’ order accountability

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/14/opinion/waldman-irs-scandal/


35 posted on 03/18/2014 1:14:47 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: SeekAndFind
I live in Northern Nevada and am not looking forward to the retribution coming our way when Harry Reid isn't Senate Majority Leader anymore.

A new GOP-controlled US Senate is going to beat Nevada's ass like a pinata on Cinco De Mayo in the middle of Dodger Stadium on 'Bat Day'. All I can do is lash myself to the mast and brace myself.

I sure hope that the GOP understands that the sleaze in Nevada is all in the South.

36 posted on 03/18/2014 1:15:22 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: SeekAndFind

I guess writer Waldman musta liked his plan so he got to keep it (cackle).


37 posted on 03/18/2014 1:16:06 PM PDT by Liz
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To: Tenacious 1

Yes, from 2003 to 2007 but the republicans never had a super majority and the democrats blocked every move.


38 posted on 03/18/2014 1:17:22 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: SeekAndFind

yes, that’s ok


39 posted on 03/18/2014 1:18:38 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bwahhh! Lowering expectations already. The Washington Compost must be running scared.


40 posted on 03/18/2014 1:18:39 PM PDT by McGruff (They say the first casualty of war is truth)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“That’s why we need President Cruz.”

Amen, but would they defund the ACA in the meantime?

That’s the big question.

That monster needs to be killed asap.

My fear is that we will then hear something like, “That’s why we need President Cruz.” for two more years while the peasants get all stirred up by a big dicktator loving media.

The MSM will never, ever, turn on Obama.


41 posted on 03/18/2014 1:18:41 PM PDT by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Don’t worry too much.
There’s plenty of gravy to spread around.
At least until the whole country goes bk.


42 posted on 03/18/2014 1:18:56 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: right way right
Boner and McCacca will never defund it, that's for sure.

Maybe if Ted has a few more TEA party senators taking his back he can do a successful filibuster.

43 posted on 03/18/2014 1:22:28 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Praying for.


44 posted on 03/18/2014 1:23:58 PM PDT by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

“Seems to me the Washington Compost is already putting out its post election spin.”

Yep, the WaPo is up to its usual Democrat tricks.


45 posted on 03/18/2014 1:27:20 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY.)
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To: SeekAndFind

In the unlikely event the GOP did take over the Senate, it’d be unrealistic to expect much out of them, but the greatest victory of all would be Dingy Harry shunted off to the sidelines.


46 posted on 03/18/2014 1:33:04 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Liberals: whistling past the graveyard that is obamacare.


47 posted on 03/18/2014 1:48:05 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Jim Robinson

“Well, let’s just do it anyway and find out”


excellent idea


48 posted on 03/18/2014 1:50:39 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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To: nascarnation

No, but he can be impeached immediately afterward. As they say, it’d be a good star..


49 posted on 03/18/2014 2:05:25 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: shove_it

We had it all not that long ago, and nothing was done except to dismantle our liberties more slowly and subtly. We know who the obstructionists are.


50 posted on 03/18/2014 2:07:51 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here.)
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