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How Toothless Is NATO Over Russia And Crimea?
NBC News ^ | March 18, 2014 | BY ALASTAIR JAMIESON AND ALEXANDER SMITH

Posted on 03/18/2014 9:42:28 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

LONDON - U.S. Vice President Joe Biden began a reassurance tour of east European allies Tuesday, promising that the current diplomatic crisis over Russia would leave NATO “stronger and more unified than ever.”

But some experts say the showdown over Ukraine has exposed the organization as toothless in the face of Vladimir Putin’s triumphant annexation of Crimea.

While Biden was in Warsaw promising to “stand shoulder to shoulder” with Poland, Putin was making a defiant, barnstorming speech at the Kremlin that placed new pressure on the United States to act.

Ukraine is not a member of NATO, despite many years of speculation that it is poised to join, and therefore it is not automatically protected under Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty – the clause which regards any attack on one member state as an attack on all.

“That’s going to make it very difficult for NATO to do anything of significance,” said Andrew C. Kuchins, a senior fellow and director of the Russia and Eurasia Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington, D.C.-based think tank. “It’s more likely that any action will be taken by a coalition of the willing.”

Does that mean NATO is essentially toothless? “Yes, I think it does,” said Kuchins.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: biden; nato; obama; putin; russia; ukraine
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1 posted on 03/18/2014 9:42:29 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

We and NATO are out of money.


2 posted on 03/18/2014 9:45:22 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jim Robinson

The same Joe Biden who told people in Delaware that when you go into a 7-11 or Dunkin’ Donuts, you have to have a “slight Indian accent”?

The same Joe Biden who was chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations committee from 2001-2003, but claims to have fought as chairman to get Poland into NATO... in 1999?

Damn, we sure screwed the pooch royally in the 2012 election...


3 posted on 03/18/2014 9:47:52 PM PDT by ssaftler (Obama speaking is like the Fat Lady warming up: "Me Me Me Me Meeee")
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To: Jim Robinson

The organization has become “toothless” because the formerly primary enemy is now the primary energy supplier.


4 posted on 03/18/2014 9:48:35 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: ssaftler

Biden off to Europe to schmooze folks? Start working on your fallout shelters, guys and gals.


5 posted on 03/18/2014 9:50:00 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Jim Robinson
While Biden was in Warsaw promising to “stand shoulder to shoulder” with Poland,

Translation: "Son......you're on your own."

6 posted on 03/18/2014 9:51:30 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: tcrlaf
The organization has become “toothless” because the formerly primary enemy is now the primary energy supplier.

Similarly to how we could not look too closely at Saudi involvement in 9/11.

7 posted on 03/18/2014 9:51:50 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Well I will give Biden credit, at least he didn’t say he “lusted after the Poles”, like Jimmuh did.


8 posted on 03/18/2014 9:52:24 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

“Stand up, Chuck!”


9 posted on 03/18/2014 9:52:50 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: Jim Robinson

The UN never has had teeth. All the UN is is a boys club, a place for paid for appointments to party with impunity, allowing anti Americans to party on their enemies soil.


10 posted on 03/18/2014 9:53:01 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: tcrlaf
NATO gave up all credibility when it invaded the sovereign nation of Serbia
and forced it to give up part of itself to narco-terrorist Muslim criminals.

It reinforced that lack of credibility by doing much the same to Libya.

11 posted on 03/18/2014 9:54:07 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Jim Robinson

NATO is too big. Blame Bill Clinton and George W. Bush for enlarging it.

As we all know, a large organization can’t react as effectively to a crisis as a small one.

NATO should have been shut down with the end of the Cold War. As long as its seen as anti-Russian alliance, it will never be able to provide for European security.


12 posted on 03/18/2014 9:54:28 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jim Robinson

If the US and NATO was strong, this would never have happened


13 posted on 03/18/2014 9:54:38 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Revolting cat!
"Wstać, Karol!"
14 posted on 03/18/2014 9:55:31 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: TigersEye

Getting involved in the former Yugoslavia in the 1990s was a mistake. Full stop. I said it then and say it today.


15 posted on 03/18/2014 10:01:38 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Jim Robinson

NATO (especially the US) are a bunch of baby killers! I learned this from Obammys and Skerrys friends and voters!


16 posted on 03/18/2014 10:03:13 PM PDT by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Coming down from sarcastic high....The US as whole is still strong...but Leaderless. There is no one on either side.


17 posted on 03/18/2014 10:05:23 PM PDT by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Crimea is simply not a critical NATO strategic issue.If Russia were to actually begin a conflict with a NATO member, there would be war and Russia would lose. The next big crisis will come if and when the Ukraine applies for NATO membership. If the West agrees to take Ukraine into NATO, then there will one day be a horrible war.


18 posted on 03/18/2014 10:11:44 PM PDT by allendale
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To: Army Air Corps

That’s true.


19 posted on 03/18/2014 10:18:15 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Jim Robinson
How toothless is nATO...

Shrunken jaws already.

20 posted on 03/18/2014 11:04:58 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Jim Robinson

Well, we should expect the good Lord to humiliate us if we’ve shamefully dropped the ball.


21 posted on 03/18/2014 11:06:25 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Army Air Corps
Getting involved in the former Yugoslavia in the 1990s was a mistake

Something worse than a mistake.It was maliciously perverse.

22 posted on 03/18/2014 11:07:21 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: arthurus

Who wins a feud like that one was, anyhow.

Muslims and (nominal) Christians, with grudges that went further back than Columbus’ voyage.


23 posted on 03/18/2014 11:11:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: KarlInOhio
...how we could not look too closely at Saudi involvement in 9/11.

Sixteen of twenty of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi citizens, proving conclusively that Mossad did it.

24 posted on 03/18/2014 11:31:52 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: arthurus
Something worse than a mistake.It was maliciously perverse.

Indeed...Just doing the bidding for our Wahabbist Saudi Masters, to provide a future base for Jihad in Europe.

25 posted on 03/18/2014 11:33:32 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: arthurus; Army Air Corps
Something worse than a mistake. It was maliciously perverse.

And it was calculated.

26 posted on 03/18/2014 11:34:08 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Jim Robinson

~~~LONDON - U.S. Vice President Joe Biden began a reassurance tour of east European allies Tuesday, promising that the current diplomatic crisis over Russia would leave NATO “stronger and more unified than ever.”~~~

Well, we know the truth is the opposite of what the pathological liars Biden and his boss are, so......


27 posted on 03/18/2014 11:47:01 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Army Air Corps

Bought more ammo and more food stocks today.

This is like watching some really bad movie....and then finding out you’re living it.


28 posted on 03/18/2014 11:48:03 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: KarlInOhio

A truth you speak.


29 posted on 03/18/2014 11:48:59 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: dfwgator

I remember that line. Right after they shot his Bible.


30 posted on 03/18/2014 11:50:00 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Navy Patriot

15 of 19

Some were naturalized; others were born that way.


31 posted on 03/18/2014 11:52:17 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: TigersEye

“NATO gave up all credibility when it invaded the sovereign nation of Serbia
and forced it to give up part of itself to narco-terrorist Muslim criminals.”

Without the approval of the UN Security Council - exit “the respect of international law”.

“It reinforced that lack of credibility by doing much the same to Libya.”

Without the approval of the UN Security Council, which only approved the montoring of a no-fly zone over Libya - exit “ the respect of international law”.


32 posted on 03/18/2014 11:54:09 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: F15Eagle

“Joe Biden began a reassurance tour of east European allies Tuesday, promising that the current diplomatic crisis over Russia would leave NATO “stronger and more unified than ever.”~~~

Well, we know the truth is the opposite of what the pathological liars Biden and his boss are, so......”

The last thing NATO European members want is to engage in a military showdown with Russia. So how NATO will be “stronger and more unified than ever”, it remains to be seen.


33 posted on 03/19/2014 12:00:26 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite

They’ll all be huddling under their desks together.

My worry is that Obama needs a big distraction from all sorts of things. This would certainly provide that.


34 posted on 03/19/2014 12:08:06 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle

“Obama needs a big distraction from all sorts of things.”

For a man who thinks “Austrian” is a language and that people in Afganistan speak Arabic, and even doesn’t know Europe is a continent, not a country, his sudden interest in a speck of the world map called Crimea, that he couldn’t locate on a map by himself, seems more than suspect.

Doesn’t he some work to do as president in his own country, than worry what’s happening somewhere 7,000 miles away from home?


35 posted on 03/19/2014 12:22:02 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite

LOL, yeah, most civilized nations seek not to have war. Except Russia.

Trust me. Nato would make quick work of Russian forces.

Russian conscripts are no match for the West’s professional military and technology.


36 posted on 03/19/2014 1:47:26 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Lectio Divina...Adoration...Mass)
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To: rbmillerjr

Napoleon Bonaparte would disagree.

USNATO is only good at bombing from above. And with Russia this won’t work.
Once USNATO put troops on the ground, they are f...d.
See Iraq and Afghanistan.


37 posted on 03/19/2014 1:55:18 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite
Napoleon Bonaparte would disagree

Everyone has their Waterloo.

Napoleon's downfall was caused by the same stupidity as our Waterloos...... A stupid, impatient public driven by a media with all sorts of think tanks or intellectuals with crap for brains. Or so it appears...

It starts with..."We have to go and intervene", and then becomes. "Please make it stop" If you stop the public stupidity, you stop the Waterloos...

38 posted on 03/19/2014 2:08:24 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Marguerite

“Napoleon Bonaparte would disagree.”

Unfortunately, for Russia, carriages and horses are no longer used in battle.

Russia in impotent in modern battle.

The West doesn’t need to fight the weak Russians. This Putin charade will fail over time. It will implode just like the Soviet Union did.


39 posted on 03/19/2014 2:11:05 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Lectio Divina...Adoration...Mass)
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To: Jet Jaguar
We and NATO are out of money.

Not to mention force structure, unless we want to see another Task Force Smith speedbump fiasco.

40 posted on 03/19/2014 2:11:05 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Cold Heat

“It starts with...”We have to go and intervene”, and then becomes. “Please make it stop”.

Right.
We always know when it starts, but never when it will stop.
At the beginning of WWI, British and French people believed that “it will be over for Christmas” ... and it lasted four years ...


41 posted on 03/19/2014 3:08:00 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite

I have a fix for that.

The government should tell the people that the war could last from 5-10 years and they will be taxed to pay for it.

It should stop the speculation in the media and settle everything right down like a cold shower.


42 posted on 03/19/2014 3:43:38 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Marguerite

But having said that, I forgot to mention that I lived through the entire so called cold war from start to finish.

It never ended as far as I am concerned. I became hardened to it. I don’t really look forward to playing that game again and would frankly speaking, push the red button if it were left to me.

It would make the war a lot shorter..


43 posted on 03/19/2014 3:49:38 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Jim Robinson

NATO -> fix it immediately or shut it down. Major western countries are doing what France and UK did in 38/39.


44 posted on 03/19/2014 4:57:55 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Jet Jaguar

Out of political leadership. Money is not a big issue here.


45 posted on 03/19/2014 5:00:06 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Jim Robinson

The question to be asked is does NATO have any business in the Ukraine?

I think not. If Ukraine becomes part of the EU, that would be different.


46 posted on 03/19/2014 5:01:40 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: allendale
“If Russia were to actually begin a conflict with a NATO member, there would be war and Russia would lose.”

They can take Estonia (and they will if “western” leaders go on with their impotence) within 24h, NATO will not even release a press statement before it's all over and then goes “but we shouldn't start WW3 over that” crowd fueled up by FSB agents. There are no plans to defend Baltic states in case of invasion, not even plans. Fix it immediately or shut it down.

47 posted on 03/19/2014 5:06:43 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, the sad but honest response is: “What’s a NATO?”


48 posted on 03/19/2014 6:00:43 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Jim Robinson

How high is up?


49 posted on 03/19/2014 6:42:22 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Screw the farmers. I can get everything I need at the grocery store.)
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To: F15Eagle
15 of 19

One Saudi on the hijack crew was stopped and taken into custody upon his entry into the US. He was, none the less, a full participant in the Saudi conspiracy.

50 posted on 03/19/2014 7:35:37 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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