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Michigan Man Charged With Felony After Exceeding Public Comment Time Limit (so much for free speech)
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Posted on 03/19/2014 3:45:32 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA

BRIDGEPORT TWP, Mich. (March 18, 2014)– A man in Saginaw County is facing a felony charge after being arrested at a township board meeting March 4, for going over his allotted speaking time.

Mark Adams was charged Friday, March 14 with a felony resisting and obstructing police and a disturbing the peace misdemeanor.

The incident was caught on camera and has been viewed thousands of times.

FOX 17 spoke exclusively with the man arrested, traveling across the state to get answers.

Adams was pulled from the podium by several officers and arrested after exceeding the public comment time limit of three minutes, addressing several issues he has with his local government.

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1 posted on 03/19/2014 3:45:32 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

You can’t make this stuff up.


2 posted on 03/19/2014 3:52:57 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: caver

So you can lose all your gun rights for LIFE if you go over your allotted talking time by even a second.

There should be tremendous pushback on this, yet it is barely in the news.


3 posted on 03/19/2014 3:54:21 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA
A felony?
4 posted on 03/19/2014 3:59:27 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

And this is only a township board meeting. These politiucians sure think they are important.

The city I live in has a pissing contest going on between the mayor and the city council. And to top it off, they are all Republicans.


5 posted on 03/19/2014 4:00:06 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: grobdriver

He’ll have to spend thousands of dollars for a GOOD attorney on this.

It’s a perfect example of LAWFARE against a citizen by a corrupted government.


6 posted on 03/19/2014 4:01:31 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: Red in Blue PA

And your right to vote (by which you protect those gun rights - or is it the other way around?).


7 posted on 03/19/2014 4:01:59 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Meanwhile, demonRATs in PA are not prosecuted for taking bribes.

The US is gone.


8 posted on 03/19/2014 4:03:03 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
Thank god this dangerous felon won't be allowed to own a weapons again.

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9 posted on 03/19/2014 4:05:14 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: kearnyirish2

In Michigan he’ll be able to vote as long as he isn’t in jail, on parole or probation.


10 posted on 03/19/2014 4:06:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

“So you can lose all your gun rights for LIFE if you go over your allotted talking time by even a second.....There should be tremendous pushback on this, yet it is barely in the news.”....

The Republic has been turned completely upside down....Would the founding fathers have been silenced or would they have attempted to silence someone else who had a reasonable point to discuss?....Expressing the outrage I feel over this man’s rights being violated is pointless.....The communist media will not push this, and I doubt the brainwashed masses would recognize or question what took place anyway.....


11 posted on 03/19/2014 4:17:17 AM PDT by selfdefense
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To: cripplecreek
Do you know what the topic was that he was addressing?

We have been seriously considering the Saginaw,Bay City,Midland areas. IN fact it is our first choice.

12 posted on 03/19/2014 4:18:19 AM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: Red in Blue PA

We are a BANANA REPUBLIC....with NO bananas.


13 posted on 03/19/2014 4:20:25 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: MarMema; Red in Blue PA

A lot more info in this story. Sounds like it may be mostly about a dispute over some land he owns.

http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2014/03/felony_charge_for_bridgeport_m.html


14 posted on 03/19/2014 4:30:39 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: MarMema
BTW the current political makeup of Michigan. Midland is right on the edge of that northern blue district.

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15 posted on 03/19/2014 4:35:25 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: MarMema
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16 posted on 03/19/2014 4:39:46 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
Whoo hoo, thanks very much!! Gonna show this to my husband.

I want to be within an hour of this woman

17 posted on 03/19/2014 4:41:42 AM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: MarMema
Here's the correct map.

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18 posted on 03/19/2014 4:50:48 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

That’s because the “outrage” is being overwhelmed by the volume of abuses.

“Papercuts” that nick the body of our Freedom every day multiple times a day. And they have their defenders.

A felony? for political speech? Won’t last very long in any court if argued on 1st amendment grounds[or it shouldn’t last anyway...] but who has the $$’s required to fight the system that is stacked against you?

Short of taking over the townhall and disarming the “police” who are there, what are you going to really do?

The a$$folk in power know this and push against their own citizenry. And it doesn’t appear that party affiliation matters much.


19 posted on 03/19/2014 4:51:38 AM PDT by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: Adder
A felony? for political speech?

I don't think it was for political speech. I think it was for resisting the officers who tried to remove him once he had gone over his allotted time.

It's kind of like this: if I'm pulled over for speeding and I point a gun in the officer's face, I'm not getting killed for speeding.

20 posted on 03/19/2014 5:00:41 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Felony Resisting? Wow. I hope these guys never go up against some real thugs. What would they call that: Super felony resisting.

I wonder what the issue was he was trying to speak about. From fragments it seems like something about some real property rights.

And we are complaining about Putin? This is something right out of KGB Russia. I can understand why one would not want a town counsel meeting delayed unduly. One would think they would have the offending party ejected but to escalate into a felony arrest is simply out of bounds in any democratic state.

21 posted on 03/19/2014 5:02:53 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
It's kind of like this: if I'm pulled over for speeding and I point a gun in the officer's face, I'm not getting killed for speeding.

You're right. I think they should have beat him to death, and shot his dog.

22 posted on 03/19/2014 5:15:51 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Mouton

Thou shalt not touch The Magic-Costumed Enforcers of the American Police State...


23 posted on 03/19/2014 5:17:17 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Red in Blue PA
Can you believe the half-ton of police pig pork "just following orders" from the local gauleiter jumping on the guy?

Then some of the other peasants laugh about it?

The fat porker Barrage Balloon sissies in the Magic Blue Costumes pretending that the guy "obstructed" and "resisted" deserve to have their lying faces beaten in.

This country deserves to implode.

24 posted on 03/19/2014 5:27:52 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Mouton

How much time should they allow at the township meeting for unscheduled speakers? They have 3 minutes. Should each speaker be permitted to speak as long as they wish?

Should each speaker instead be required to submit an application to be included in the schedule? Or is the open microphone for 3 minutes a good thing?


25 posted on 03/19/2014 5:58:03 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Should each speaker instead be required to submit an application to be included in the schedule?

According to his comment heard on the recording, he did request to speak for 15 minutes beforehand. Apparently they did not agree to his request.


26 posted on 03/19/2014 6:04:37 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

“We’re taking you in sir... I’m afraid you’ve had too much to think.”


27 posted on 03/19/2014 6:08:30 AM PDT by Fear The People (When the government fears the people, you have LIBERTY.)
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To: Mouton

I’m glad he noted that he had 15 minutes worth of material when he had a 3 minute limit. When they denied his request, they should have told him HOW to get time at the next meeting for his entire presentation, and there should be a way to get that kind of time. Even if a busy city, there must be a way to get enough time to present an argument. Three minutes is barely enough for an announcement. I know it could cause meetings to drag on for forever, but that has to be the price paid for seeking the office in the first place.

If he resisted arrest, then he was wrong about that.


28 posted on 03/19/2014 6:09:26 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Watch the video.

He doesn’t appear to be violent.

I cannot believe he’s being charged with a felony. Wow.


29 posted on 03/19/2014 6:14:37 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: xzins
If he resisted arrest, then he was wrong about that.

He didn't do squat. The fat lying slabs of Blue Bacon pretended he was "resisting", so they could kidnap him.

You're next, peasant.

30 posted on 03/19/2014 6:29:03 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: xzins
Watch the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlZd3De_JoY

The lies just ooze out of the mouths of the donut blimps. I understand now why the German people accepted Hitler's regime. The only difference here is that we speak English...

He's only guilty of believing he owns the township's property ("his" land).

31 posted on 03/19/2014 6:34:21 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
He doesn’t appear to be violent.

The Blue Donut Blimps just chanted the Magic Words:

"Stop resisting"

Once they say The Words, you're guilty, whether you were resisting or not.

If they had wanted to shoot him, they would have chanted:

"I feared for my life"

32 posted on 03/19/2014 6:38:05 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil

If he didn’t resist arrest, then they’re wrong.

A more effective method of keeping comments to 3 minutes would be to cut off the microphone.


33 posted on 03/19/2014 6:40:01 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Greetings Mr Ramsbotham...great name btw.

“I don’t think it was for political speech. I think it was for resisting the officers who tried to remove him once he had gone over his allotted time.”

Watch the video. The speaker might well be a reoccurring loudmouth at these meetings, but it was obviously a local inside plot to shut this guy up.....permanently. 3 officers and a sergeant just happened to be there? The chairs are nearly empty. The fat cop IMMEDIATELY starts bleating “Don’t resist!” BEFORE it was made clear they were arresting him.

Shadows of the infamous Waco armored assault that was “...not an assault.” or at least that is what the loudspeakers said as the tanks smashed the building down..., wait sorry...60 ton tracked recovery vehicles.

Back to Michigan.....

In the Declaration:
“In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.”

In the First Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting....the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

His petition was over his property rights.....using speech to defend what he thought were his rights.

1 tyrant 3,000 miles away is no worse than 3,000 tyrants 1 mile away.

Just saying. Peace brother.


34 posted on 03/19/2014 6:42:00 AM PDT by Lowell1775
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To: Red in Blue PA

Felony?


35 posted on 03/19/2014 6:44:06 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Does any body remember when this was a FREE COUNTRY! At 78 I can.


36 posted on 03/19/2014 6:44:34 AM PDT by JayAr36 (When an American dies Obama lies. And lies, and lies and lies forever.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
He doesn’t appear to be violent.

No, but he does appear to be resisting. That's what he was charged with, not for speaking. He's free to say anything he wants, but we all know there are restrictions placed on such things as media and venues.

Whether the charge was excessive is a subject for another debate.

37 posted on 03/19/2014 6:46:16 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

That is resisting?

Really?


38 posted on 03/19/2014 6:47:27 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The way I see it, he pays for them and they can sit their asses there and listen to him. In the spirit of making sure everyone else gets their say I would simply ask that he speak last.


39 posted on 03/19/2014 6:51:21 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
There are two videos at the site; watch the one at the bottom of the page. I think he's resisting. Maybe not much, but oh well, as I said before, the validity of the charge is a subject for an entirely different debate.

Amazing how easy it is to divert people from a point. He gets arrested for resisting arrest and everybody seems to think he got arrested for speaking. I try to point this out, and everybody assumes I'm defending the police. No wonder people are so easily propagandized.

40 posted on 03/19/2014 6:52:56 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: kiryandil
We brought this all upon ourselves, My FRiend. How you ask? Well, to begin with, we were led to believe that , under the guise of city councils, zoning boards, homeowner associations, etal. we could control the "other guy". What was not said was, to the "other guy" you[genetically speaking] are the "other guy". The end result was that "you" have no rights. Only the rich and powerful now have rights. "You" now have privileges, granted at the whim of said organizations mentioned above.

The same holds true law enforcement wise. The "We got to get tough with these criminals" has evolved to the point that, in the view of the police, there are now two classes of criminals: Those we have caught and those we haven't caught yet.

41 posted on 03/19/2014 6:55:56 AM PDT by sport
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

We have much different opinions about what constitutes “resisting arrest” then.

I saw none of that.

I saw a guy onto whom pounced law enforcement. He did turn to sit down, he didn’t in my opinion resist arrest.

I hope this charge is thrown out. Sure arrest him for exceeding the time limit, but a felony arrest for resisting arrest is wildly over the top.

I am very disappointed.


42 posted on 03/19/2014 7:05:09 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: sport
The same holds true law enforcement wise. The "We got to get tough with these criminals" has evolved to the point that, in the view of the police, there are now two classes of criminals: Those we have caught and those we haven't caught yet.

In a tyranny, everyone is a criminal, except the government or anyone who works for the government or is part of the government.

43 posted on 03/19/2014 7:08:15 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Mr Ramsbotham; Cringing Negativism Network
I think he's resisting.

The Founding Fathers didn't envision a country where the peasants are charged with felony "resisting" for not IMMEDIATELY groveling before Farce Enlawment Orifices.

A felony is where you go to a Blue Donut Blimp's house afterwards and "explain" things to him. I would qualify that as a felony.

44 posted on 03/19/2014 7:12:25 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Lowell1775
1 tyrant 3,000 miles away is no worse than 3,000 tyrants 1 mile away.

In a tyranny, everyone is a criminal, except the government or anyone who works for the government or is part of the government.

45 posted on 03/19/2014 7:14:48 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: cripplecreek

In fact, why can’t a citizen filibuster a city council? They pass some of the stupidest sh!t imaginable, and there is no recourse most of the time.

To answer my own question, the watermelons (green on the outside, red on the inside) would use this to stop commerce everywhere.


46 posted on 03/19/2014 7:17:25 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: sport; Mr Ramsbotham
Originally, Free Republic was a big Law and Order board, seeking to have Bill Clinton and his lawless cronies subjected to the Rule of Law.

Many FReepers are still big Law and Order types, but what I took away from the experience is that there are two kinds of law in America:

Peasant law and Royal law.

This post is a great example of "peasant law". The Royal Blue-clad enforcers sail in, and invent a charge so they can abduct the guy under color of "law". Then, he "resists" (by way of the fat bacon Blimps chanting "The Magic Words"), so they can get him with a "peasant felony".

A couple of examples of "Royal law":

Bill Clinton commit perjury in the face of a federal judge. No worries, mate!

Jon Corzine steals a couple of billion dollars. He's connected. Again, no worries!

Meanwhile, on Free Republic, Law and Order guy Mr Ramsbotham "thinks" that peasant Mark Adams "felony resisted".

Lore and Ordure, Merkun style...

47 posted on 03/19/2014 7:24:30 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
I think he's resisting

Oh, bullfeathers! I watched it and there was no resistance on his part. This is a trumped up charge.

The police constantly saying "Stop Resisting!" does not constitute actual resisting. It is a phrase police are trained to automatically say so when they appear in court two months later, that is what witnesses remember. In this case, it has nothing to do with the actions of the man they arrested. He was peacefully complying.

This is disgraceful. Tyranny, actually.

What's next - saying "Stop Resisting!" and then saying using a bully club to knock the arrested unconscious is "justifiable force"? That is the next step in this shameful process.

This is a worth a felony charge? I call it bullshit!!

48 posted on 03/19/2014 7:53:47 AM PDT by Gritty (Inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out! - David Horowitz)
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To: Gritty; Mr Ramsbotham
The police constantly saying "Stop Resisting!" does not constitute actual resisting. It is a phrase police are trained to automatically say so when they appear in court two months later, that is what witnesses remember. In this case, it has nothing to do with the actions of the man they arrested. He was peacefully complying.

Maybe the peasants need a counter-phrase to chant:

"Stop abducting!" or "Stop kidnapping!"

49 posted on 03/19/2014 7:56:48 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Gritty
What's next - saying "Stop Resisting!" and then saying using a bully club to knock the arrested unconscious is "justifiable force"?

The Fat Blue Bacon Slabs already do this...

The Blue Donut Blimps recently beat some deaf guy unconscious for attempting to use sign language to tell them he couldn't hear their "lawful ordures".

They also recently beat a guy to death for refusing to show his ID.

50 posted on 03/19/2014 8:02:07 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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