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States looking at $0 community college tuition
AP via finance.yahoo.com ^ | March 18, 2014 | STEVEN DUBOIS

Posted on 03/19/2014 6:53:11 AM PDT by posterchild

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Nothing sparks consumer demand like the word "free," and politicians in some states have proposed the idea of providing that incentive to get young people to attend community college.

Amid worries that U.S. youth are losing a global skills race, supporters of a no-tuition policy see expanding access to community college as way to boost educational attainment so the emerging workforces in their states look good to employers.

Of course, such plans aren't free for taxpayers, and legislators in Oregon and Tennessee are deciding whether free tuition regardless of family income is the best use of public money. A Mississippi bill passed the state House, but then failed in the Senate.

The debate comes in a midterm election year in which income inequality and the burdens of student debt are likely going to be significant issues.

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1 posted on 03/19/2014 6:53:11 AM PDT by posterchild
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To: posterchild

I assume they will be just as successful as free preschool through 12th grade.


2 posted on 03/19/2014 6:55:06 AM PDT by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: posterchild

Community college certificates soon to be worth what they cost.


3 posted on 03/19/2014 6:55:07 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: posterchild

BS

My nephew tried to get into a community college in his state and was basically told “minorities come first”....


4 posted on 03/19/2014 6:55:34 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: posterchild

I’ve been looking for some university or even a community college that will give us old fogeys free tuition. I haven’t found any in Tulsa, Oklahoma yet ... :-) ...


5 posted on 03/19/2014 6:56:52 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: posterchild

This will dumb down community colleges as they become a catch-all for “13th graders”.


6 posted on 03/19/2014 6:57:04 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: posterchild
Ha haaaaa!!!

Doing for college and universities what he did for health care.

"Free 'n' Universal" to be replaced with "Affordable".

Think people will fall for it again?

(sigh) So do I.

7 posted on 03/19/2014 6:57:17 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: posterchild
Bad, bad, BAD move.

ONE welcomed dealer enters each classroom and ....

8 posted on 03/19/2014 6:57:53 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: posterchild

OK, if the local voters (tax base) approve of it, that’s their business. But if they’re smart, standards will apply. You show up for classes and workshops when scheduled, turn in the work assigned when due and maintain an acceptable GPA. Otherwise, out you go. No “coasting” at taxpayer expense.

Oh- wait; would that be racist if enforced upon minority students? < /sarc >


9 posted on 03/19/2014 6:58:18 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: posterchild
Of course, such plans aren't free for taxpayers, and legislators in Oregon and Tennessee are deciding whether free tuition regardless of family income is the best use of public money.

Well, okay. So long as the taxes collected don't go to shoring up underfunded pensions for retired professors and janitors.

We're trusting you on this.

10 posted on 03/19/2014 7:01:43 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: JimRed

This is not a new idea. It was $3 a unit when I went to a community college in California during the 1990’s. $45 for a full time quarter. Basically free except for textbooks.


11 posted on 03/19/2014 7:03:23 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: posterchild

Many community colleges offer the same rubbish curriculae of women’s studies, psychology and social work that universities do

If they want to make them successful, really help people, and help the country - they will minimize the nonsense, and go much more to add technical training - machining, electronics, construction, engine repair, etc....


12 posted on 03/19/2014 7:04:30 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: posterchild

The teachers are working for free?


13 posted on 03/19/2014 7:04:52 AM PDT by edcoil (Not a single republican was ever a slave owner. They were all democrats.)
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To: posterchild

It’s for illegals.


14 posted on 03/19/2014 7:05:35 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: posterchild

the do nothing professor employment program.

(of course obamacare guts that plan)


15 posted on 03/19/2014 7:05:46 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: illiac

No surprise there. SC seems to operate in a similar fashion.


16 posted on 03/19/2014 7:06:17 AM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: posterchild
Amid worries that U.S. youth are losing a global skills race

And just what global skills do the politicians think will be acquired at fricken Community College, taught by current professors?

17 posted on 03/19/2014 7:07:28 AM PDT by Go Gordon (Barack McGreevey Obama)
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To: illiac

that could be the real issue.

college without student loans/grants.

college without merrit based scholarships.

worthless public school students seeking tv life delusions.


18 posted on 03/19/2014 7:08:05 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: posterchild

“What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.” Instead of giving it away make the students earn it. Make it zero tuition for those with A averages, 20% for B average, 50% for C average, etc. Use the high school GPA for incoming freshmen, and calculate it semester by semester after that.


19 posted on 03/19/2014 7:08:29 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: wally_bert

They also seemed to have a preference for illegals....

My nephew went on and graduated from med school through a private college....


20 posted on 03/19/2014 7:08:53 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: posterchild

This is free in Denmark, and in fact I think you get a stipend for going full time. We had a young woman from Denmark staying with us. She said it resulted in a lot of young people being slackers. As for herself, she was an immigrant to Denmark and her family was all about moving up, so she worked hard. But for many, this was just a way to prolong adolescence, essentially.


21 posted on 03/19/2014 7:10:08 AM PDT by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: longtermmemmory

Add pot to the mix in Colorado and Washington and you’ve got real delusions....


22 posted on 03/19/2014 7:11:35 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: posterchild

Oh crude. Just what I need. More kids who don’t have the ability to be in college, in college.

Every semester, the same thing.


23 posted on 03/19/2014 7:13:31 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: KosmicKitty
I work at a Major CC, they are a valualbe resource for education BUT the best bang for the buck is on the Occupational Education side not the Lib.Arts side of the house.

To a great extent CC’s also end up teaching the last 2 years of High school AGAIN to those students that WANT to learn it ad were denied a quality HS education by our failing public schools.

24 posted on 03/19/2014 7:20:38 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: posterchild
Missouri has the A+ program which will pay 2 years of tuition at a Juco or tech school. One result has been a big increase in per credit hour cost since the state is paying and not the student. Below are the requirements; not sure most states would insist on #1.

• Be a U.S. citizen, permanent resident, or lawfully present in the U.S.
• Attend a designated A+ high school for 3 consecutive years immediately prior to graduation.1
• Graduate with an overall grade point average of 2.5 or higher on a 4.0 scale.
• Have at least a 95% attendance record overall for grades 9-12.
• Perform at least 50 hours of unpaid tutoring or mentoring, of which up to 25% may include job shadowing.
• Maintain a record of good citizenship and avoid the unlawful use of drugs and/or alcohol.
• Beginning with the high school senior class of 2015, have achieved a score of proficient or advanced on the Algebra I end of course exam or a higher level DESE approved end-of-course exam in the field of mathematics.
• Not be pursuing a degree or certificate in theology or divinity.

25 posted on 03/19/2014 7:31:39 AM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: dangerdoc
In some ways, community colleges are an extension of public school. Just check out the number of 'developmental' courses community colleges offer: math, reading, and writing. One would think that after 12 years of public education, students would be able to perform the basic competencies as outlined in any given state's public education guidelines. The graduates possess diplomas that are supposed to prove academic achievement. Two dirty little secrets: 1) Not everyone should go to college, and 2) Public schools are not doing their jobs.

And now for a bit of blog pimping:

Those Doggone Kids

26 posted on 03/19/2014 7:32:00 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)
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To: posterchild

My high-school Civics and History teacher (a man to the far right, long before it was fashionable) floated the theory in class that free public high school was nothing but a scam pushed by labor unions to hold of new young competition entering the work force.

Sounds like they are taking things up a notch.


27 posted on 03/19/2014 7:35:03 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: posterchild

Sure.
A recipe for a complete and total failure.
Tax-paid tuition plus non-competitive entrance requirements. Let anyone at all in, compliments of the taxpayers.

Change it so the requirements are very competitive and demanding, as in the rest of the civilized world, and it just might work. (no affirmative action!)


28 posted on 03/19/2014 7:46:42 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: DoodleDawg
Make it zero tuition for those with A averages, 20% for B average, 50% for C average, etc. Use the high school GPA for incoming freshmen, and calculate it semester by semester after that.

I read you, but you know and I know that the grading system will then be bastardized so everybody gets A's, with a smiley face.

29 posted on 03/19/2014 8:26:02 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: VRW Conspirator

And lawsuits galore for those who don’t get A’s.


30 posted on 03/19/2014 8:26:26 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: VRW Conspirator

Aaaand, it would impact teacher bennies, since “the kids” would be less inclined to attend, so that would immediately be struck down. It is never about “the kids”, but always about paying the teacher bennies.


31 posted on 03/19/2014 8:46:35 AM PDT by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: headstamp 2

We are already there. I have worked in a community college library for the last 20 yrs. The garbage that passes for public education is on full display by they time the students make it to the community college level.

I have over the years come across various “research papers” that students have either left on tables or on computers. The downward spiral in the quality of these “research papers” is stupefying! I have had English instructors come in at their wits end having to try and teach their students basic grammar, much less how to write a research paper.

Our developmental classes grow larger and larger each year. If the states and the feds give free community college for every person the costs will be off to the moon, as in academia they have no concept of money management or budgeting only how to spend it and if the budget comes up short, why just raise tuition again and again and again...


32 posted on 03/19/2014 11:40:02 AM PDT by sarge83
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Likely worth every cent too.....


33 posted on 03/19/2014 2:37:14 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Had Enough Yet ? ........................ Enforce the Bill of Rights ......... It's the LAW !!!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

My HS physics teacher had a similar position.


34 posted on 03/19/2014 6:51:41 PM PDT by posterchild
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To: posterchild

It will be worth about what they pay too


35 posted on 03/19/2014 6:55:55 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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