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Data Deleted From Missing Pilot's Flight Simulator: Official
NBC ^ | March 19, 2014 | Henry Austin

Posted on 03/19/2014 8:15:55 AM PDT by don-o

Data was deleted from a flight simulator found at the home of the missing Malaysia Airlines jet's pilot, an official said Wednesday.

"Forensic work to retrieve this data is ongoing," Hishammuddin Hussein, Malaysia's acting transport minister, told a news conference. He added that local and international experts had been recruited to examine the homemade device belonging to Zaharie Ahmad Shah, the 53-year-old captain of the Boeing 777.

It was not immediately clear who deleted the files and why.

"The passengers, the pilots and the crew remain innocent until proven otherwise," Hishammuddin added. "For the sake of their families I ask that we refrain from any unnecessary speculation that will make their lives harder.”

Police Inspector General Khalid Abu Bakar added that "the data of the games has been cleared on February 3" and that "experts are looking at the logs." Flight 370 vanished while traveling from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8.

The daily news conference descended into chaos before they spoke, when distressed protesters were removed by officials.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: flightsimulator; iran; malaysia; mh370; mh370pilot; planehijack; waronterror
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Probably meaningless, I suppose.

Where IS that plane?

1 posted on 03/19/2014 8:15:55 AM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o

we must be patient and await Hishammuddin’s.....results.....


2 posted on 03/19/2014 8:18:11 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Jesus came to Save not Entertain / Ground John Kerry Now!)
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To: don-o

No necessarily meaningless, although I think the co-pilot is the prime suspect here.


3 posted on 03/19/2014 8:18:24 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: don-o

we are talking about a GAME!


4 posted on 03/19/2014 8:19:03 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: don-o

5 posted on 03/19/2014 8:19:45 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: don-o

Bottom of the ocean.


6 posted on 03/19/2014 8:20:01 AM PDT by MrEdd (vHeck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: don-o
Where IS that plane?

Neither ELT has triggered (so, no crash), and no Weight-on-Wheels message received (so, no landing)...

Plane is STILL in the air! Certainly ran out of fuel weeks ago, so only conclusion?

The plane is in panic mode, continually flying down a mountainous ridge for uplift, turning around going the other way, and so on. Without radio contact, they can only wait for us to check the mountain ridges!


7 posted on 03/19/2014 8:21:51 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: don-o
from the article and Hishammuddin Hussein, Malaysia's acting transport minister mouth ...
"The passengers, the pilots and the crew remain innocent until proven otherwise,"

Strange remark from that part of the world.

8 posted on 03/19/2014 8:22:03 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: don-o
Who doesn't empty their recycle bin.

I'm beginning to think the MSM doesn't want us to know what really happened.

9 posted on 03/19/2014 8:23:11 AM PDT by McGruff (They say the first casualty of war is truth)
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To: Viennacon

I have been wondering if the captain was getting some heat from his employer for his political views and decided to go out in a blaze. From what I gather Malaysia is a pretty dysfunctional stew of muzzies, ethnic chinese, etc.


10 posted on 03/19/2014 8:24:43 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: McGruff

I have read that unless one over writes a hard drive (or takes a hammer to it) nothing is really deleted.


11 posted on 03/19/2014 8:25:02 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

Maybe it disappeared into ‘The Cloud’..............................


12 posted on 03/19/2014 8:25:30 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: McGruff

You can get software that can take all kinds of deleted files, even from emptied recycle bins, months before, and it can all be restored. They´ll find something interesting I imagine.


13 posted on 03/19/2014 8:25:49 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: longtermmemmory

It may appear to be a game and anyone can have a simulator but the question is: What kind of flight path was he practicing?

If it was a plan to disappear with a large plane, someone would have to fly blind and only relie on visual flight rules therefore the endless practice on a simulator.

Now the drive is deleted, it will take a while to get it to the point that it could be read out.


14 posted on 03/19/2014 8:28:14 AM PDT by Caribou ( www.ktok.com Red State Radio free streaming.)
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To: don-o

News flash!
Pilot deleted cache on his game station!


15 posted on 03/19/2014 8:28:54 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and is not afraid of the unlawful.)
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To: don-o
distressed protesters

OK, what exactly are they protesting?

16 posted on 03/19/2014 8:29:33 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: All

If this is a giant kidnap/hijack to a secret location, the guy probably flew it over and over on his simulator before hand .. so it was very instinctive when he really did it. I have a friend that would always do this before he flew to a new place with an airport he had never been to.

He may have actually picked the exact location the plane is sitting at now as the destination.. if its not submerged..

Also it was mentioned above that this is a game.. I am not sure if that person is aware of the program.. but it is so realistic it is boring as heck to me. If you set it to real time it can take hours between your take off and landing. It really is a learning tool.


17 posted on 03/19/2014 8:30:44 AM PDT by uncle fenders
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To: MrEdd

more likely a ‘thunderball’ operation.
pilot and copilot were substituted prior to take off.
now pilot and copilot will need positive id prior to boarding the plane.


18 posted on 03/19/2014 8:31:06 AM PDT by jonose
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To: Red Badger

19 posted on 03/19/2014 8:31:28 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

20 posted on 03/19/2014 8:33:09 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: Red Badger

21 posted on 03/19/2014 8:34:35 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: don-o
It was not immediately clear who deleted the files and why.

Sounds ominous.

I deleted some files from my computer just yesterday. Some were replaced by newer items and some just were no longer needed.


22 posted on 03/19/2014 8:35:09 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: dfwgator

Hey, Lady - why don’t you walk over to that Mars rover while you’re there?


23 posted on 03/19/2014 8:40:27 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: dfwgator


24 posted on 03/19/2014 8:40:37 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: jonose
This is one of the strongest theories, IMO. I believe someone was hiding in the equipment bay near the cockpit.. The ACARS, transponders and just about everything else can be turned off from down there, unbeknownst to the pilots. Can the aircraft be flown from the equipment bay?

The aircraft was hijacked by a stowaway with a knife or gun.

25 posted on 03/19/2014 8:48:57 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: don-o

Doesn’t everyone have their computer to automatically delete stuff on a scheduled basis? Much ado about nothing.


26 posted on 03/19/2014 8:50:47 AM PDT by bgill
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To: don-o
A view of the forensic investigation into the flight simulator missing data.


27 posted on 03/19/2014 9:01:00 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: don-o

28 posted on 03/19/2014 9:01:42 AM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: mylife

29 posted on 03/19/2014 9:06:57 AM PDT by Defiant (Let the Tea Party win, and we will declare peace on the American people and go home.)
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To: bgill
Doesn’t everyone have their computer to automatically delete stuff on a scheduled basis? Much ado about nothing.

Probably. Who knows about flight sim programs? Can you download different airports and then fly repeated simulations? Then delete the simulation flight and save the airport?

30 posted on 03/19/2014 9:07:48 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

A lot of programs will have a listing of recently accessed files. Not uncommon for someone to work up drafts, clear the list of all the drafts, then be able to go between final products more quickly. In this context, take that how you may...but it’s a fairly normal workflow for working on audio or images.


31 posted on 03/19/2014 9:23:50 AM PDT by Fire_on_High (RIP City of Heroes and Paragon Studios, victim of the Obamaconomy.)
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To: Defiant

Ccleaner? I run it regularly to clean cache, history, registry ect. If the Capt was geeky enough to put that Sim together he surely did the same thing...


32 posted on 03/19/2014 9:35:07 AM PDT by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: don-o

I’m not saying this is perfect but with these keystone cops there are ways.

Data destruction software, sometimes called data sanitization software, disk wipe software, or hard drive eraser software, is a software-based method of completely erasing the data from a hard drive.

Data destruction software is just one of several ways to completely erase a hard drive.

When you delete files and then empty the Recycle Bin, you don’t actually erase the information, you just delete the reference to it so the operating system can’t find it. All the data is still there and, unless it’s overwritten, can be easily recovered using file recovery software.

Data destruction software, however, truly does erase the data. Each data destruction program utilizes one or more data sanitization methods that can permanently overwrite the information on the drive.

If you need to remove all traces of a virus or you’re planning on recycling or disposing of your hard drive, wiping your hard drive using data destruction software is the best way to protect yourself.

Below is a list of the best, completely free data destruction software programs available today:

http://pcsupport.about.com/od/toolsofthetrade/tp/free-data-destruction-software.htm


33 posted on 03/19/2014 9:35:16 AM PDT by McGruff (They say the first casualty of war is truth)
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To: Fire_on_High

My thought is to wonder if he deleted a suspicious airport or a simulation with some “off the wall” maneuvers.


34 posted on 03/19/2014 9:38:11 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: mylife; longtermmemmory

In addition to flight school the 9/11 hijackers practiced using Microsoft Flight Simulator, a game.

Student pilots regularly use this game to prepare for their pilots license. Time on the game can be used to satisfy some of the training hours required to obtain the license.

“A personal computer-based aviation training device (PCATD), as defined by AC 61-126, is an FAA-approved, computer-based program that can satisfy a portion of the flight training required for an instrument rating under 14 CFR 61.65(e). With advances in PCATD technology, there are now basic (B-ATD) and advanced (A-ATD) aviation training devices that satisfy additional training and currency requirements required by 14 CFR Part 61.”


35 posted on 03/19/2014 9:55:21 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: don-o
As the evidence comes dribbling out it appears more and more that this is a hijacking. The possibility of a mechanical failure diminishes but still there. With that the pilot, copilot or a third individual would be involved.

So that makes data deleted from his computer more important than what it might have been otherwise. Maybe something, maybe nothing. They have to check it out for a thorough investigation.

36 posted on 03/19/2014 9:55:53 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: don-o

No! This can’t be true!

That plane may well be waiting somewhere to be used as a firebomb.


37 posted on 03/19/2014 10:14:42 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Did You see the panoramic view of that bay that was posted on one of the threads?

A Lot of equip in that puppy, including what looked to be a console in the center w/ screen and keys.

http://www.hawkeyemedia.com/panos/777_Avionics.asp


38 posted on 03/19/2014 10:28:48 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: driftdiver

“A personal computer-based aviation training device (PCATD), as defined by AC 61-126, is an FAA-approved, computer-based program that can satisfy a portion of the flight training required for an instrument rating under 14 CFR 61.65(e). With advances in PCATD technology, there are now basic (B-ATD) and advanced (A-ATD) aviation training devices that satisfy additional training and currency requirements required by 14 CFR Part 61.”

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PCATD’s can be used for instrument training, with 10 hours loggable. They can also be used for currency for holds, approaches, and the like.

The software isn’t your typical MFS X, or Plane X 9, though I think Plane X does have an approved version that prolly runs about $150 or so.

The approved hardware isn’t the standard yoke, pedals, and throttle quadrant you can get from a hobby store for $200 or so. The approved gear has avionic stack with intercom, dual nav/com, flight director/autopilot transponder....they even make “glass panel” modules. These systems...bare-bones, start at about $4500, and are generally owned by general aviation fight schools. It costs just about as much as obtaining a private pilot certificate.


39 posted on 03/19/2014 10:40:30 AM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: SgtBob

Which is what it looks like this guy had in his home.

Point is this isn’t a tetris or pong style game.


40 posted on 03/19/2014 10:51:10 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

I’ve got the same rig as he does, sans one monitor. He has yoke, pedals quadrant, and four monitors...I’ve got 3....if I had room, I’d have five:-)


41 posted on 03/19/2014 11:13:50 AM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: don-o

Quite possible. Just hard to say. Another theory I’ve seen vindicates him entirely...that there was a fire and he diverted to try and reach a nearby airport, but then was overcome by smoke and fumes, cue Payne Stewart scenario. Sim flights to nearby landings could easily mean he felt there was something wrong with the plane but they wouldn’t listen or couldn’t find anything.

It’s entirely possible someone onboard had an attack of SJS, but at the same time we have to consider it’s also possible everyone is innocent and this simply is a bizarre tragedy rather than a conspiracy.


42 posted on 03/19/2014 11:28:02 AM PDT by Fire_on_High (RIP City of Heroes and Paragon Studios, victim of the Obamaconomy.)
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To: don-o

Burka porn! Debbie Does Kuala Lumpur.


43 posted on 03/19/2014 11:36:33 AM PDT by jetson
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To: Fire_on_High

I can’t get past the “fact” (ha!) that the initial course deviation was loaded before takeoff. If true (!) that indicates intention.


44 posted on 03/19/2014 11:37:10 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

Now I missed that...agreed, if true.


45 posted on 03/19/2014 11:43:48 AM PDT by Fire_on_High (RIP City of Heroes and Paragon Studios, victim of the Obamaconomy.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks don-o.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3133972/posts?page=32#32

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3133972/posts?page=128#128


46 posted on 03/19/2014 12:23:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: don-o

The simulator is only as good as the software development that went into it and that would logically focus on the common parameters and conditions that might be expected. How useful then would a simulator be at flying near the outer limits of what a given plane might do, which is invariable more complicated. It’s not magic going on in that computer simulator, so then how valuable would it be to a very seasoned pilot with 18,000 hours. I’m sure any pilot worth his salt could test the simulator and find flaws at more extreme parameters.

I just wonder realistically how valuable is the simulator outside the come parameters which this pilot already has 18,000 hours experience? That’s a lot of experience and intuition.

I think the simulator may be a red herring.


47 posted on 03/19/2014 3:03:06 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Fitzy_888

Make that: ...is the simulator outside the “common” parameters which this...

In other words, if I pulled off a barrel roll in a simulator would that really equate to reality? It comes down to the programmer’s interpretation of the physics of flying and at what point do you call it a day...who does a barrel roll in a 777 anyway?


48 posted on 03/19/2014 3:13:09 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: SunkenCiv

Google Earth
Hangar construction
South West at Heliport


49 posted on 03/19/2014 3:45:43 PM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (Those that vote for a living outnumber those that work for one.)
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To: don-o

Wait...

This story is based on the word of a Malaysian “official?” Are you kidding me? Have they said one stinking thing that has turned out to even resemble the truth?


50 posted on 03/19/2014 3:55:46 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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