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Feds raid gun parts stores despite court order
Fox 5 San Diego ^ | 19 MAR 14 | Misha Dibono

Posted on 03/19/2014 8:36:36 AM PDT by andyk

SAN DIEGO – With a search warrant in hand, federal agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives confiscated computers, customer lists and the questionable polymer 80 percent lower receivers from four Ares Armor store locations throughout San Diego County over the weekend.

“There were women and children inside our retail establishment when the (ATF) agents came in with guns drawn,” said Ares Armor Executive Officer Dimitrios Karras. “They came into our firearms manufacturing facility saying, ‘Arms up!’  like they were invading Iraq.”

The raid happened three days after Ares owner was granted a temporary restraining by a judge to stop ATF agents from searching their stores.

The ATF confirmed they were investigating the stores for federal firearm violations stemming from the sale of a new plastic version of the 80 percent lowers, which gun enthusiast use to build their own AR-15 rifles.

Building a rifle with specific versions of the 80 percent receivers is legal.   The polymer lower receiver appears to be manufactured differently with two parts, making them a firearm and illegal sell, according to the ATF.

“We did ask the court to clarify if these things were firearms or not,” said Karras. “We did ask for protection as this gets resolved within the court system.”

Karras said they had their polymer lower receivers locked in a closet ready to turn over to the ATF since Wednesday.  He was more concerned about the federal agents taking lists of his customers’ information.

“If anybody is a criminal organization that should be investigated, I think they should look in the mirror. We gave them a black eye publicly,” Karras said. “They tried to do an underhanded deal with us. They said, ‘Hey hush, hush. Keep it secret and nobody’s going to know that we took the customer list from you. Nobody’s going to know we took this from you.’”

The investigation has some customers nervous about their right to bear arms.

“I’m on that list, and I’m waiting for the knock on the door to tell me they are


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; aresarmor; atf; banglist; batfe; civilwar2; civilwarii; courtorder; cw2; cwii; lofan; policestate; youwillnotdisarmus
Grr.
1 posted on 03/19/2014 8:36:36 AM PDT by andyk
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To: andyk

How far we’ve sunk as Americans. :(


2 posted on 03/19/2014 8:42:24 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: andyk

Another example of Team Obama IGNORING the Constitution. We are in a dictatorship when the executive branch refuses to be accountable to the other two branches of government.

Anyone still wondering why DHS is buying tons of ammo?


3 posted on 03/19/2014 8:47:34 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: LurkedLongEnough

Those federal agents are not Americans. They are the new Redcoats.


4 posted on 03/19/2014 8:47:40 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: andyk

Rules and civility are for the little people.


5 posted on 03/19/2014 8:48:39 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Olog-hai

Why do we have an ATF again? Is it allowed anywhere in the constitution. Seems to me that Alcohol, tobacco and firearms should be the name of a convenience store not a federal police force.


6 posted on 03/19/2014 8:54:28 AM PDT by DaveyB ("When injustice becomes the law; rebellion becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: andyk

1 kind of plastic = Not a firearm.

2 kinds of plastic = ASSAULT WEAPON!

OK then. ...


7 posted on 03/19/2014 8:56:31 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: andyk

Question here. I understand that Ares got a restraining order prohibiting the ‘raid’ but that the ATF got it rescinded or got another court to allow the raid despite the order. Does anyone know whether another court intervened to allow the raid? If so, under what authority did they allow the raid? I read this on an FR thread a few days back but have not seen any more of this. Anyone?


8 posted on 03/19/2014 8:59:43 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: DaveyB

Sounds unconstitutional to me. It first got on its feet as the enforcers of Prohibition (prelude to Sharia), which was equally unconstitutional AFAIAC.


9 posted on 03/19/2014 9:00:41 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: andyk

If the shop owner strongly suspected the ATF would raid his shop...why would the he even keep the list of (plastic part) purchasers on the premises? Now the owner looks like the victim...and the ATF conveniently has the list.

Odd.


10 posted on 03/19/2014 9:06:10 AM PDT by moovova
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To: SoFloFreeper
re: Another example of Team Obama IGNORING the Constitution.

I would not get too tied up with the Team Obama unit, they are just the current face of the totalitarian arm of the Federal Government. Come 2017, there will be a new face, BUT the problem will not go away. They are way too entrenched now.

11 posted on 03/19/2014 9:09:10 AM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

They got a pass for the mass murder they initiated at Waco.

The rest follows.


12 posted on 03/19/2014 9:15:56 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here.)
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To: andyk
So, the agents violated a court order. If Ares sues the ATF, the taxpayers will furnish the money for paying any damages.

IMO, What needes to be done is to have charges of assault with deadly weapons (entered with guns drawn) against each ATF agent.

13 posted on 03/19/2014 9:17:52 AM PDT by Aarchaeus (V)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

This won’t stop until there are some consequences for those that are doing/ordering it.


14 posted on 03/19/2014 9:20:30 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Psalm 144

Yes they did. Ruby Ridge as well. I’ll never forget the name Lon Horiuchi.


15 posted on 03/19/2014 9:24:49 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: andyk
We're all on their List.

Beware. The Beast rises.

16 posted on 03/19/2014 9:28:11 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: andyk
Yes they did. Ruby Ridge as well. I’ll never forget the name Lon Horiuchi.

Lon was a sniper at both. Lon is en extremely evil human being -- an evil cold blooded murderer.

I am sure he has no remorse murdering Vicki Weaver as she held her baby. I cannot write what I believe is the proper justice for that POS.

17 posted on 03/19/2014 9:40:09 AM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: andyk
The raid happened three days after Ares owner was granted a temporary restraining by a judge to stop ATF agents from searching their stores.

This reminds of SWAT raid to snatch Elián González and send him back to Cuba. His relatives were on the phone negotiating with the Justice Department when they let their guard down the INS launched their pre-dawn sneak attack.

These tactics are right out of the Art of War.

18 posted on 03/19/2014 9:40:18 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: sand88

He is also a West Point Graduate and an attorney. The amount of money and education poured into this assassin is truly disgusting. Sort of like training a pedophile as a pediatrician before setting him on his ‘career’.

Don’t worry about what he deserves. “It would be better if a millstone were hung round his neck...”

He will get his, barring remorse.


19 posted on 03/19/2014 10:02:04 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here.)
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To: GBA

We need a list too.


20 posted on 03/19/2014 10:12:02 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: andyk

You misspelled, Whoreruchi.

Damned Murdering SOB burn in H&ll!!!


21 posted on 03/19/2014 10:15:03 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: andyk

22 posted on 03/19/2014 10:39:52 AM PDT by devolve (- Tell VLADIMER after my ERECTION I have more FLEXIBILITY -- I need more SPACE - BHO Jr -)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

forum shopping is forbidden. How did judge b not know of the order from judge a without the fed gov lying?


23 posted on 03/19/2014 10:42:32 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

Assuming that the ATF did get a second judge to weigh in, the answer to your question is very straightforward. The ATF lied to Judge B. Maybe Eric Holder will investigate and prosecute.


24 posted on 03/19/2014 10:46:58 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: 17th Miss Regt

actually if the atf did do forum shopping when another court had jurisdiction, the information collected would be fruit of the poisonous tree.

remember there are 15 plus years of prosecutorial misconduct being withheld from the public.

Misconduct is SOP.


25 posted on 03/19/2014 11:12:50 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: andyk

FOX News Channel featuring this story with the owner appearing this afternoon at around 2:45 PM.


26 posted on 03/19/2014 11:51:07 AM PDT by dforest
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To: moovova
why would the he even keep the list of (plastic part) purchasers on the premises?

Maybe because he thought he had nothing to hide, and that the rule of law would win.
27 posted on 03/19/2014 12:01:43 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: andyk

Gun dealers should hide the lists and only release them by court order on particular individuals. Civil disobedience is going to have to ramp up.

Also, isn’t it time we had more personal information on members of the ATF? That might come in handy.


28 posted on 03/19/2014 2:45:51 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: andyk; All

The injunction stipulated that he not destroy or hide the list of customers.

I believe it was the same judge that granted the injunction made it clear that it did not stop a criminal investigation.

The whole question of whether it was a criminal investigation was sidestepped by the BATFE when they made the blatant claim that the unfinished blocks of plastic were illegal guns. That is the main point in contention, and they ignored it.


29 posted on 03/19/2014 3:37:00 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: moovova

you are required to keep a list of transactions by law on the premises as an FFL dealer. There is even a software that forces the correct record keeping and makes it easy for the Nazis .. I mean ATF to review it.


30 posted on 03/19/2014 4:51:13 PM PDT by willyd (I for one welcome our NSA overlords)
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To: willyd

Thanks for the info. Just surprised the store owner was supposed to retain that info as it wasn’t “considered” a gun.

(BUT, we know who considers it a gun.)


31 posted on 03/19/2014 5:38:17 PM PDT by moovova
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To: willyd
you are required to keep a list of transactions by law on the premises as an FFL dealer

That does not apply to the rocks you sell. Rocks is what he was selling.
32 posted on 03/19/2014 6:47:48 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: WVNan
Gun dealers should hide the lists

What lists? It's all about the revenuers anyway. It is not impossible to collect an excise tax without collecting names and addresses.
33 posted on 03/19/2014 6:51:52 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: marktwain
The injunction stipulated that he not destroy or hide the list of customers.

That is one hell of a stipulation, and one at which I take umbrage.
34 posted on 03/19/2014 7:21:25 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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