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Westboro Baptist Church founder Fred Phelps: The Unsung Hero of the Gay Rights Movement
FrontPage Mag ^ | 03/19/2014 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 03/19/2014 8:49:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind


If there is one man who can be credited for the success of the gay rights movement, it’s Westboro Baptist Church founder Fred Phelps.

Phelps did more than anyone to make opposition to homosexuality seem as toxic as possible by picketing the funerals of soldiers with anti-gay slogans. There probably wasn’t a more inspired way to make anti-gay sentiments seem as unacceptable as possible.

If the Phelps clan had deliberately set out to implement gay marriage in America, they could not have chosen a better method and who is to say that they didn’t.

The Phelps, with their background in civil rights lawsuits and ties to the Gore campaign, weren’t really anti-gay. They were and are willing to do anything to get attention. They were trolls before the word had become common internet parlance. They understood that negative attention could be monetized, literally through lawsuits, and more indirectly through recruitment.

The protests of the Westboro Baptist Church were cartoon efforts at extracting maximum outrage. The people they trolled helped pay their bills.

Fred Phelps began by monetizing civil rights legislation and ended by cashing in as the default villain of a culture of perpetual outrage. If Fred Phelps should be known for anything, it should be as the man who did more than anyone else to promote gay rights in America.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fredphelps; gayrights; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; westborobaptist

1 posted on 03/19/2014 8:49:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I think he was really on their side


2 posted on 03/19/2014 8:50:40 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Can God be credited, too, for the success of the homosexual political movement?

I mean ... considering what He says in the Bible about it.


3 posted on 03/19/2014 8:52:11 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: SeekAndFind

By the way, Phelps’ daughter calls her father a fag-loving whore and Westboro is going to picket his funeral. Phelps was excommunicated from Westboro!


4 posted on 03/19/2014 8:53:46 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

RE: Phelps was excommunicated from Westboro!

Now that’s news to me. Can you cite a link for this please?


5 posted on 03/19/2014 8:56:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (question is this)
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To: SeekAndFind
What was he excommunicated from his own "church" for?

For all the veteran funerals he ever tried to disrupt, I would have no problem with a big payback.

...see how his family feels about God Hates Fred Phelps signs and chants.

I never understood his hatred for America and our military.

6 posted on 03/19/2014 8:56:24 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: GeronL

He was doing a cruel and false parody of Christians.


7 posted on 03/19/2014 8:56:57 AM PDT by DManA
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, I don’t want to hunt back through all my posts ... but if you do, you’ll find the thread on Phelps and what his daughter said ... :-) ...

It was within the last couple of days.


8 posted on 03/19/2014 8:58:12 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: SeekAndFind

He and David Duke are two of the Left’s favorite straw men.


9 posted on 03/19/2014 8:58:57 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: TexasCajun

Ummm ... it’s Westboro that’s going to picket Phelps’ funeral ... LOL ...

You’ll be picketing right alongside of them ... :-) ...


10 posted on 03/19/2014 8:59:47 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: SeekAndFind

He held a fundraiser for Algore back in the 80’s.

He did exactly what I would do if I were looking at a long term plan to help bring in gay culture into the country. Classic leftist action-reaction combined with the deep cover stuff that they like to do.

It wouldn’t surprise me if he was just a plant all along.


11 posted on 03/19/2014 8:59:59 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: GeronL

Considering what God says about it ... does that mean God is on their side, too?


12 posted on 03/19/2014 9:00:59 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Free Vulcan

I think they say he was a registered Democrat and that coming out of a heavy Republican State in Kansas.


13 posted on 03/19/2014 9:03:09 AM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory evening grace)
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To: SeekAndFind

Okay ... I decided to look ... :-) ...

Westboro Baptist Church To Protest Fred Phelps’ Funeral, Says Daughter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3134261/posts

And this post in the thread ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3134261/posts?page=21#21


14 posted on 03/19/2014 9:09:16 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Free Vulcan

He was actually mentioned in Time Magazine back in 1951 when he was protesting ‘immoral activities’ on his college campus.


15 posted on 03/19/2014 9:12:26 AM PDT by Borges
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To: SeekAndFind
Ask and ye shall receive:

Elders Ex-communicate Phelps After Power Struggle

The article says he was thrown out after advocating that the church "go easier" on disciplining church members. In other words, he was advocating having a measure of mercy on church members and got kicked out for it.

16 posted on 03/19/2014 9:16:16 AM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: DManA

Phelps has always been an agent provocateur and doing what his group did was a form of inspiring the left while deriding Christians and conservatives. A twisted form of projection giving the left the ammunition needed to justify their actions and goals in hating conservatives. The SPLC when Phelps began also just happened to be a lone guy or two working out of their house. Amazing how they were supported by foundations and likely government agencies. These two together with the media have done much damage to Christians and conservatives in solidifying opponents of Christianity and getting many to believe this strawman angle.


17 posted on 03/19/2014 9:18:45 AM PDT by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones - FUBO - Come and get me)
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To: hoagy62

the article I read says he got caught maturbating


18 posted on 03/19/2014 9:19:11 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (por que no musica?)
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To: Revelation 911

“Go away, Baitin’”


19 posted on 03/19/2014 9:19:39 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

Is this like Obama being the firearms salesman of the year?


20 posted on 03/19/2014 9:20:01 AM PDT by vpintheak (I will not comply!)
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To: Revelation 911

There are apparently two stories. The one you’re reading supposedly came from tweets from one of his daughters (replete with mis-spellings, I might add). It turns out that this was a hoax, and the Twitter account that wasn’t authentic.


21 posted on 03/19/2014 9:26:02 AM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: Sheapdog

Ever see this?

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,814897,00.html


22 posted on 03/19/2014 9:28:12 AM PDT by Borges
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To: BeadCounter
I think they say he was a registered Democrat

He was a state Democrat party official. This church is another Dem creation, just like the KKK. I'm convinced it was created to try to create a backlash against Christians.

23 posted on 03/19/2014 9:44:39 AM PDT by aimhigh (John 14:21)
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To: Star Traveler

That’s a total surprise to me, I never considered the idea Westboro was a legitimate church.


24 posted on 03/19/2014 9:51:09 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: SeekAndFind

Big time, long time Democrat skunk.


25 posted on 03/19/2014 9:51:55 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I guess the Westboro Baptists never hear about “grace”.


26 posted on 03/19/2014 10:05:50 AM PDT by dragonblustar ( Psalm 103, Psalm 37:7, Ephesians 6:12)
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To: SeekAndFind

And a lifelong Democrat.

I’ve wondered if he was on the payroll of the gay lobby. He’s the best asset they’ve had.


27 posted on 03/19/2014 10:22:43 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: hoagy62

It’s her Twitter account.


28 posted on 03/19/2014 10:24:45 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: aimhigh

I thought he was the state head of the Al Gore for President commitee in 1988 .And didn’t Al and Tipper stay at his house?


29 posted on 03/19/2014 10:49:27 AM PDT by Rockpile
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To: Sheapdog; All

I stated on another thread that I had heard verbally that Dees and the SPLC secretly financed WBC. However I have not seen anything “on paper” to back that up although it sure seems possible.

BTW, if y’all ever see media darling Dees on the tube try turning off the sound and look real close at his face. That is one creepy weirdo.


30 posted on 03/19/2014 10:54:59 AM PDT by Rockpile
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To: hoagy62

got ya


31 posted on 03/19/2014 11:11:38 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (por que no musica?)
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To: dfwgator

lol


32 posted on 03/19/2014 11:12:01 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (por que no musica?)
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To: TBP

There are fake Twitter accounts for several famous or semi-famous people, made for various reasons, most of which aren’t very good.

While it could be that the story you speak of is true, there are several people who are actively debunking that story. The sad truth is that we may never know all the details.

Suffice it to say that if his daughters really are showing that much hatred towards their own father, there’s only one place they could have learned it from: the father himself.


33 posted on 03/19/2014 11:32:48 AM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: aimhigh

It’s sure tempting to take it for a farce.

They’ve never ever “dared” to show up where they could be half useful, like a “gay pride” event. It’s like they just want to taunt America. It has Satan written all over its soul, IMHO.


34 posted on 03/19/2014 11:35:59 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: TBP

“I’ve wondered if he was on the payroll of the gay lobby.”

That is a very astute question and one that would undoubtedly prove to be answered in the affirmative.

Therefore, Westboro and the Gay Lobby are in fact likely guilty of Conspiracy to Defraud, Racketeering and guilty of any number of RICO violations.

They should all be investigated, prosecuted, sued in civil court and all state and federal legislative, executive orders and court decisions that were advanced by this Conspiracy should be repealed.


35 posted on 03/19/2014 12:14:33 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: SeekAndFind

Without a doubt - every time those scumbags open their mouths, we lose more of the “mushy middle”.


36 posted on 03/19/2014 12:35:56 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: SeekAndFind
Best thing the Democrats had.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/3135043/posts

37 posted on 03/19/2014 1:58:25 PM PDT by celmak
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To: Rockpile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICB0diy1X6k

I checked out this video of him speaking.
He really comes off like a professional speaker even a pastor. He’s speaking at a liberal Christian university I suppose with a cross in the background. Probably Methodist - I just checked it it. The leadership of that denomination seem to like all things Anti-Biblical and Anti-Christian.

Morris Dees is a false prophet as far as I’m concerned.
I recall seeing a bio about them in the early 90’s and the organization was really just a couple of Christian hating lawyer’s working out of their house / office and able to garner a lot of support from liberal causes and all facets of American society. But still just a couple of people that somehow get to act as professional adjudicators as to what is acceptable in the public realm or in America when it comes to all religious and social issues. Only in a world gone insane. The comments on that you tube video say in some papers about Dees divorce that his ex-wife has some horrible things about him I won’t repeat - see for yourself.

I wouldn’t be surprised if SPLC supported WBC however probably the same groups - money from foundations or some government agency that might want to remain anonymous could easily find some surreptitious way to support WBC.


38 posted on 03/19/2014 2:34:52 PM PDT by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones - FUBO - Come and get me)
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