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Here's How NASA Thinks Society Will Collapse
National Journal ^ | 3/18/14 | Alex Brown

Posted on 03/19/2014 9:08:46 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Too much inequality and too few natural resources could leave the West vulnerable to a Roman Empire-style fall

Navigate to the Previous Story in this Section TECHHere's How NASA Thinks Society Will CollapseToo much inequality and too few natural resources could leave the West vulnerable to a Roman Empire-style fall.

Few think Western civilization is on the brink of collapse—but it's also doubtful the Romans and Mesopotamians saw their own demise coming either.

If we're to avoid their fate, we'll need policies to reduce economic inequality and preserve natural resources, according to a NASA-funded study that looked at the collapses of previous societies.

"Two important features seem to appear across societies that have collapsed," reads the study. "The stretching of resources due to the strain placed on the ecological carrying capacity and the economic stratification of society into Elites and Masses."

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KEYWORDS: communism; communismkills; cultureofcorruption; dnctalkingpoints; fifthcolumn; fraud; infiltration; marxism; nasa; revisionisthistory; waronhistory; waronscience; waste
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Communists have apparently infiltrated NASA for this kind of CRAP to be paid for by my tax dollars.

What will cause, indeed what IS CAUSING our fall is MORAL DECAY.

We murder babies in the womb, we abrogate personal property rights, we FORCE the celebration of sodomy and perversion, AND we purposely walk away from long-time allies.

Society is turning away, with vitriol, from Christianity, the Constitution, and capitalism.

NASA, I could have told you that....

1 posted on 03/19/2014 9:08:46 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

The stratification of elites and masses is due to the leftist elites trying to achieve said stratification,
while they harangue the rest of us about it.


2 posted on 03/19/2014 9:10:17 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Well, part of the reason it will collapse is because trillions of dollars are being spent on useless studies funded by our government masters.


3 posted on 03/19/2014 9:11:03 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Shouldn’t NASA just explore space and STFU?


4 posted on 03/19/2014 9:12:31 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: SoFloFreeper
Here's How NASA Thinks Society Will Collapse Too much inequality and too few natural resources

I see it as just the opposite. Too many freeloaders who vote for inane leaders.

5 posted on 03/19/2014 9:14:35 AM PDT by oldbrowser (Civil service unions are the real government)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I agree with Glenn Beck that NASA should be padlocked. Let the private sector explore space.


6 posted on 03/19/2014 9:14:43 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: CivilWarBrewing
NASA: Nothing About Space Anymore

This is what happens when a society allows females to take control of it. Think 'emasculation' and raising boys to be girls. 0bama was raised by a feminist single mother and a transgender, cross-dressing nanny and NASA now reflects that.

7 posted on 03/19/2014 9:15:56 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: SoFloFreeper

The Roman-style fall came because of a bloated, corrupt, complex, centralized, authoritarian government spent itself into oblivion, and made their currency worthless through devaluation and inflation.

They may at least have the “Roman” part correct


8 posted on 03/19/2014 9:16:04 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: PGR88

The meek, shall inherit the earth.


9 posted on 03/19/2014 9:17:19 AM PDT by edcoil (Not a single republican was ever a slave owner. They were all democrats.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Every agency in government has been politicized by the regime...
10 posted on 03/19/2014 9:19:00 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
NASA, the BSA, Health Insurance, GM, college loans, the price of gasoline, etc.

Commie tactic - Infiltrate society by getting a hold of the leadership of groups. Make it appear as if the entire organization is on your side.

11 posted on 03/19/2014 9:19:44 AM PDT by Slyfox (When Jesus sees a momma holding her little baby, it reminds him of his own momma.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Economic and technological development create a cleaner , less polluted environment and a higher standard of living for all.

The stratification of the population into the “elites” and “masses” is a by product of the current Leftist political mindset running our government wherein access to prosperity is intentionally limited by political fiat except, of course, for the ruling elites who make themselves exempt from the laws and regulations that they, the elite, pass that are beggaring the masses


12 posted on 03/19/2014 9:19:50 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: SoFloFreeper

If society collapses it will be due to the inevitable failure of a global nanny state.

In other words: Picture what is happening in Venezuela today — happening all over the world at once.


13 posted on 03/19/2014 9:20:09 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Obviously, none of these morons has taken a history class. Roman society was always stratified. Production decreases in the late Empire, however, are generally attributed to . . . global cooling and pestilence.

This is nothing more than repackaged Marxism. The intriguing difference is Marx believed that because of his dialectical materialism the triumph of the communists was inevitable. These fools aren't so sure - they are just bleating if we don't create a Marxist society we will all die.

I'll take my chances.

14 posted on 03/19/2014 9:20:19 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SoFloFreeper
Nasa has become a joke, close it down.

All they are doing is spouting leftest drivel and making up climate data to promote the lefts agenda

15 posted on 03/19/2014 9:20:38 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I’m curious what depletion of resources they think caused the Roman Empire to collapse.

The RE collapsed mainly because of nearly constant civil wars, and those were caused by their never devising a legitimate principle for succession to power.

Any successful general could aspire to become Emperor, so Emperors were always (legitimately) of successful generals, and tended to execute them as a precaution. Which of course almost forced even successful general who might have preferred to remain loyal to revolt in self-defense.

It also meant, of course, that emperors tended to kill off their best generals, which left them more vulnerable to foreign enemies. With all its flaws, the later European principle of primogeniture at least meant general could concentrate on fighting the country’s enemies, and kings didn’t have to worry about them usurping the throne.


16 posted on 03/19/2014 9:23:13 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SoFloFreeper
The issues of moral decay and ruin are, as you point out, fundamentally a spiritual issue. Our societal malaise is a spiritual malaise - we need God to bring about another Great Awakening to the need for a Savior, Jesus Christ.

On the economic front, which NASA seems to be addressing, they are also way off and sounds like they've also been infiltrated and indoctrinated by the hideous Agenda 21 whose mantra is "sustainability." God made the earth more than "sustainable". There is no "sustainability" problem - that is a myth and a fantasy of the Left who want to use any excuse to violate our freedoms with more government coercion.

The other phony excuse used here is "equality" causing our demise. How stupid is that? The absence of freedom in the face of overbearing government will cause a society to fail, like the USSR. As Milton Friedman once said, "A society that puts equity first will have neither equality nor freedom [because equality first is achieved by government coercion]. A society that put freedom first will have great deal of both freedom and equality."

17 posted on 03/19/2014 9:23:27 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: SoFloFreeper

Do you remember back when NASA was cool and still doing space exploration?


18 posted on 03/19/2014 9:24:33 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
...we'll need policies to reduce economic inequality and preserve natural resources (for the ruling elite)...

And a crapload of money to pay all the (non producing) government employees and Public Servants Masters to enforce those policies.

Fortunately, we have printing presses so money is no object!

19 posted on 03/19/2014 9:25:34 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: PGR88

Bammy only cares about Roman baths.


20 posted on 03/19/2014 9:25:42 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: SoFloFreeper

Here’s a policy that reduces inequality and preserves natural resources: end low-skill immigration to the United States, thereby bringing U.S immigration policy in line with the rest of the 1st World.


21 posted on 03/19/2014 9:28:39 AM PDT by altsehastiin
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To: SoFloFreeper

The Eastern Roman Empire fell because Muslims destroyed it. How’s that outreach goin’ boys?


22 posted on 03/19/2014 9:28:51 AM PDT by DManA
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To: CivilWarBrewing

“Shouldn’t NASA just explore space and STFU?”

That’s what I thought, what’s this got to do with launching rockets? This agency has outlived it’s usefulness.


23 posted on 03/19/2014 9:29:41 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("If guns cause crime, there must be something wrong with mine." -Ted Nugent)
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To: SoFloFreeper

How the hell does that fit into their mission statement?


24 posted on 03/19/2014 9:30:20 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Screw the farmers. I can get everything I need at the grocery store.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

SoFloFreeper got it right. I can’t improve on that.

Decadence. When there are TV programs called “who’s your daddy” the collapse of civilization can’t be far.


25 posted on 03/19/2014 9:34:30 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Couldn’t predict O-ring failure ,but knows how the world ends.

Ok.


26 posted on 03/19/2014 9:37:40 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: PGR88

The Roman fall came more generally when Julius Caesar consolidated all power in Rome. His adopted son, Caesar Augustus, finished the job of consolidating power into the Imperium.

The Roman Senate became nothing more than the City Council for Rome.

Brutus and the other Senators were correct.


27 posted on 03/19/2014 9:37:46 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: TurboZamboni
Couldn’t predict O-ring failure ,but knows how the world ends. Ok.

Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark.

28 posted on 03/19/2014 9:38:31 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SoFloFreeper

“economic inequality”

When you see those thieving buzz words, you should pull out your guns and start shooting [figuratively, of course].


29 posted on 03/19/2014 9:40:14 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: TexasRepublic

In order to “equalize” income, either the low income have to be worth more,

or force has to be involved to pay them more than they’re worth.

And there’s no way the left means to use the former method.


30 posted on 03/19/2014 9:41:42 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Can anyone please explain to me WTF income inequality has to do with this? I know its a big commie buzz word these days but HOW EXACTLY is this supposed to crash an economy? To bad even NASA has been corrupted by leftist fools.


31 posted on 03/19/2014 9:43:52 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

32 posted on 03/19/2014 9:45:22 AM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: SoFloFreeper

What the heck is NASA doing conducting these kinds of self-serving socialist studies? How does this fall under the domain of Aeronautics and Space Administration???? Isn’t there another propaganda ministry tasked with cranking out this kind of collectivist drivel?


33 posted on 03/19/2014 9:46:03 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: SoFloFreeper

What a putrid end to what was once such an exciting and vital organization.


34 posted on 03/19/2014 9:47:42 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

DC has already collapsed. The rest of us Romans are merely propping up the capitol city.


35 posted on 03/19/2014 9:47:43 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Sherman Logan

The Roman empire collapsed for demographic reasons. Too few Romans, especially those willing to defend the Empire. And, on the other side, too many barbarians who got ever more aggressive as Rome weakened. At first, Rome was able to co-opt the barbarian tribes. Starting with the Vandals, they eventually figured out that Rome was a paper tiger and started chipping away at the Empire. Rome was sacked a number of time, starting in the early 400s.

I see the same thing happening here. We’ve discarded the melting pot for multiculturalism. To our elites, Diversity = Strength, but in the end it will tear us apart.


36 posted on 03/19/2014 9:49:55 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: IronJack

Don’t forget their program to increase the self-esteem of muslims.


37 posted on 03/19/2014 9:50:41 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: buffaloguy

Brutus and the other Senators were correct.


Oh, please. The Roman empire lasted about 475 years after Caesar. That’s about 2X as long as America has been independent from England. Lets see how the USA stacks up in the next 200 years. Current trends are NOT encouraging.


38 posted on 03/19/2014 9:52:39 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: SoFloFreeper
Society will collapse when the populace becomes so dumb that they believe all US feral government propaganda.
39 posted on 03/19/2014 9:54:37 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.")
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To: SoFloFreeper

I’m so old I remember when NASA was about manned space exploration. I even remember they employed really intelligent scientists, trained daredevil test pilots to be astronauts, and planned dangerous missions to the moon and beyond. But then, I was just a naive kid who read too many comic books and dreamed.


40 posted on 03/19/2014 9:55:23 AM PDT by Texicanus (Texas, it's a whole 'nother country.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I suppose they have to use NASA for something considering they don’t do anything in space anymore.

Muslim outreach and propping up global warming, and now pushing liberal social policies (ie marxist “justice”/”inequality” causes).

Inequality exists because people and the work they do are NOT EQUAL. They live in different places and so wages and lifestyles are different in different places. Different jobs, more dangerous, more specialized, requiring more skill and ability, require more risk, pay differently than those anyone can do.

Who made them the arbiters of what is a correct salary for all people, much less one single person? Why accept the premise? Who made them the decider of what is too little, or too much, for someone’s job? This is socialism. The market decides what the right salaries are. Supply and demand of jobs and talent determine it.

Is it perfect? Of course not. No system we have for anything is perfect. To demand perfection is idiotic when they allow and accept and excuse imperfection in other systems they like, such as communism, marxism, socialism and when rich liberals use the system to their advantage. It is however a FAIRER - their favorite word - system than any of the above mentioned ones. It is the one system that has the best ability to reward those that achieve and excel, and encourages those that want to earn more, it gives them the ability not to be stuck in the same job with little or no hope of advancement in career or salary - think socialism/communism here - where they pigeonholed people into jobs and they would have that job until the day they died, very little chances for real advancement and only small cola-type raises if they got any at all.
Liberals are so myopically stupid.


41 posted on 03/19/2014 9:59:39 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Must have drafted this on one of their official business, first class vacation junkets.


42 posted on 03/19/2014 10:00:28 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

“Shouldn’t NASA just explore space and STFU?”

What else they going to do? Make Muslims feel empowered or something?


43 posted on 03/19/2014 10:00:51 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: CivilWarBrewing
NASA: Nothing About Space Anymore

This is what happens when a society allows females to take control of it. Think 'emasculation' and raising boys to be girls. 0bama was raised by a feminist single mother and a transgender, cross-dressing nanny and NASA now reflects that.

When we gave women the right to vote we did so ignoring thousands of years of social evolution. Male and Female roles are based upon survival needs. Too many of those needs are being ignored.

44 posted on 03/19/2014 10:01:54 AM PDT by thejokker
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To: SoFloFreeper

>Collapse can be avoided, and population can reach a steady state at the maximum carrying capacity, if the rate of depletion of nature is reduced to a sustainable level<

I’ll agree with that


45 posted on 03/19/2014 10:02:07 AM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Communists have apparently infiltrated.
Ya think what party control the country now.


46 posted on 03/19/2014 10:02:40 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: SoFloFreeper

This is funny because it reminds me of hubby going off on a school teacher the other day when she was trying to tell us that Singapore Math is so wonderful and will help the US to be better at math. Hubby asked her about other countries and their space programs. He asked them how many have been to the moon or even landed something on the moon or another planet successfully. She stared at him like he was from another planet. He continued to go off on how great some persons of some ethnicities are at math and how they think in pictures. Just don’t climb aboard anything they build though.


47 posted on 03/19/2014 10:03:18 AM PDT by petitfour
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To: SoFloFreeper
Demographics is destiny.

Rome became a victim of its own success. The original Roman peoples that built the Republic and Early Empire became a minority in their own country as more and more non-Romans moved to Rome to enjoy the benefits of Roman civilization. The new majority just did not have what it takes to maintain the high civilization there. Same thing happened to Egypt, India, and Detroit.

48 posted on 03/19/2014 10:03:36 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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Here's How NASA Thinks Society Will Collapse

Who asked them?
NASA. National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

What does that have to do with Aeronautics?
What does that have to do with Space?
Clearly, this particular bureaucracy has long exceeded its useful lifespan, and is desperately aggressively continuing to maintain its budget, its size and its national usefulness. To say nothing of its rapacious pathological need for constant expansion.

First Global climate, now the "collapse of Society?

Bureaucracies ALWAYS expands is reach to maintain an illusion of usefulness. As a concept, not a new idea of a parasitic cancer on society.

The short version : Bureaucracies expand to increase their power and influence, long after its reason for existing has disappeared or shrunk to insignificance.

A somewhat longer classic version :

Benjamin Franklin on Bureaucracies

LOL!

Even "oversight" entities themselves, morph into permanent, ever expanding bureaucracies!

NASA DESPERATELY NEEDS TO SHRINK DRASTICALLY, BE REPLACED OR DISAPPEAR!

49 posted on 03/19/2014 10:04:42 AM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: rbg81

I have never seen any evidence the later empire was less populous than in the time of Augustus or Marcus Aurelius. Or that the “barbarian” tribes across the borders were any more numerous.

For a host of reasons there were fewer men willing or able to fight to defend the empire. In fact, there are historians who claim that the “fall of the empire” was as much a series of revolutions by the inhabitants as it was invasion by outsiders.

In any case, it is obvious there were few willing to fight for what had become an oppressive system. Most of them discovered the hard way that life became much harder for them after the empire fell, but by then it was too late.


50 posted on 03/19/2014 10:06:54 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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