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NASA-funded study: The way to save Western civilization from collapse is communism
The Daily Caller ^ | 19 Mar 2014 | Michael Bastasch

Posted on 03/19/2014 10:54:20 AM PDT by mandaladon

If the United States wants to avoid falling like the Roman Empire, it must avoid “overconsumption” and distribute resources equally, according to a study funded by NASA.

“The fall of the Roman Empire, and the equally (if not more) advanced Han, Mauryan, and Gupta Empires, as well as so many advanced Mesopotamian Empires, are all testimony to the fact that advanced, sophisticated, complex, and creative civilizations can be both fragile and impermanent,” reads the NASA-funded report published in the Ecological Economics journal.

“Two important features seem to appear across societies that have collapsed,” the study adds. “The stretching of resources due to the strain placed on the ecological carrying capacity and the economic stratification of society into Elites and Masses.”

The NASA study uses a Human And Nature DYnamical (HANDY) formula “to provide a general framework that allows carrying out ‘thought experiments’ for the phenomenon of collapse and to test changes that would avoid it.” In other words, the model only takes into account general characteristics of fallen civilizations, and not the specifics.

What did the study find? That collapse is hard to avoid in unequal societies as “[e]lites grow and consume too much, resulting in a famine among Commoners that eventually causes the collapse of society.”

Limits on resources harm the working class, while the wealthy are largely insulated from the problem, meaning resources continue to be used without regard to the cost to society. For example, “an increase in vehicle fuel efficiency technology tends to enable increased per capita vehicle miles driven, heavier cars, and higher average speeds, which then negate the gains from the increased fuel-efficiency.”

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The only way to avoid calamity is to adopt egalitarian methods of resource distribution if resource consumption is limited and distributed equally — eerily reminiscent of those who champion population control or communism.......................I'm sure Obama agrees with this.
1 posted on 03/19/2014 10:54:21 AM PDT by mandaladon
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To: mandaladon
Arguments made in this report are similar to those made by White House science czar John Holdren, who has suggested that government should limit the size of the population in order to keep the Earth from becoming unlivable.........Liberals are already working hard on this idea.
2 posted on 03/19/2014 10:56:12 AM PDT by mandaladon (If you're going through hell, keep going. ~Winston Churchill)
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To: mandaladon

NASA has lived way beyond its usefulness.


3 posted on 03/19/2014 10:56:56 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: mandaladon

Can’t predict O-ring failure ,but can predict the end of the world.

I’ve got some white paint to sell them for their roof.

It’s magic paint- $5000 per gallon.


4 posted on 03/19/2014 10:57:47 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: mandaladon

So if NASA reports that communism is the way to go, does that mean Putin will give those two guys of our on the space station a ride home?


5 posted on 03/19/2014 10:58:50 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: mandaladon

We’ll kill the libs before they even get the trains to the first FEMA camp on the tracks.


6 posted on 03/19/2014 10:59:08 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: mandaladon

Which worked so well for the USSR.


7 posted on 03/19/2014 10:59:18 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice.)
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To: mandaladon

NASA cannot even get their science right as of the past few years.

So, they decided to get into something requiring much less intellect.

And they screwed that one up just as much.

Dear NASA, your time has expired. Go away and let those of us who still have good STEM skills attempt to straighten out what you’ve Obama’d up. (Note: Obama’d up is an upgraded term for f***ed up).


8 posted on 03/19/2014 10:59:28 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: mandaladon

Utter horse-piss...


9 posted on 03/19/2014 11:00:11 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: mandaladon

NASA is spending it’s time and money promoting, communism, islam and global warming alarmism while we go to space in old Soviet rockets. Am I the only one that thinks that’s stupid?


10 posted on 03/19/2014 11:00:24 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: mandaladon; All

Noting that the states have never delegated to Congress, via the Constitution, the specific power to tax and spend for space exploration purposes, the way to save Western civilization with respect to USA government is to enforce federal government’s constitutionally limited powers.


11 posted on 03/19/2014 11:00:38 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: mandaladon

NASA: Not Allowing Space Adventuring....


12 posted on 03/19/2014 11:00:49 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: mandaladon
“Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society,” Holdren and Ehrlich wrote................This is something Planned Parenthood would love to see happen
13 posted on 03/19/2014 11:01:13 AM PDT by mandaladon (If you're going through hell, keep going. ~Winston Churchill)
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To: mandaladon

Torches! Pitchforks!


14 posted on 03/19/2014 11:01:36 AM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: mandaladon

Besides Misery, what has Communism created?

Capitalism and personal rights created peace, enforced peace.

By it also, the world is now able to enjoy Coke(It’s the real thing), Ice cubes in their drinks, Actual Cold Beer and Levi’s.

No one wants live in any way like those who have been enslaved by totalitarian, fascist states

There is no confusion as to why people flock to our shores or cross the Rio Grande....

Everyone wants to be and American or emulate Murica.

Yippe, Kye, Yeah....Mthrfkr....


15 posted on 03/19/2014 11:01:39 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: mandaladon

Hey NASA, how’s that communism been working up to now?


16 posted on 03/19/2014 11:01:52 AM PDT by certrtwngnut (')
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To: mandaladon
If the United States wants to avoid falling like the Roman Empire, it must avoid “overconsumption” and distribute resources equally, according to a study funded by NASA.

PURE BS.........................

17 posted on 03/19/2014 11:02:20 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: mandaladon
The mission at NASA seems to have changed. They should have recommended islam as the solution.
18 posted on 03/19/2014 11:02:27 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: mandaladon

NASA: National American Socialist Association.


20 posted on 03/19/2014 11:03:01 AM PDT by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: mandaladon

Why is NASA doing this? does it have anything to do with space?


21 posted on 03/19/2014 11:03:47 AM PDT by mandaladon (If you're going through hell, keep going. ~Winston Churchill)
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To: Jim Robinson
NASA has lived way beyond its usefulness.

Yup, mission control has left the building and the spaced monkees are running the show, I guess fantasy is much easier than real science.

22 posted on 03/19/2014 11:04:48 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: mandaladon
published in the Ecological Economics journal

Oh, well! That puts the cap on it!

23 posted on 03/19/2014 11:05:33 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Jim Robinson

I remember when NASA flew experimental aircraft and launched spacecraft - ya know, Aeronautics and Space kind of stuff.


24 posted on 03/19/2014 11:05:51 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: mandaladon

Adopting communism is the ONLY sure-fire way to cause the collapse, but close behind is progressives/closet commies sabotaging our current system into collapse.

Progressives = closet commies . . . I like that


25 posted on 03/19/2014 11:06:13 AM PDT by RatRipper (The political left are utterly evil and corrupt)
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To: mandaladon
Arguments made in this report are similar to those made by White House science czar John Holdren, who has suggested that government should limit the size of the population in order to keep the Earth from becoming unlivable

Coming to a town near you. Euthanasia. It's not just for breakfast anymore...

26 posted on 03/19/2014 11:07:15 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: Army Air Corps

space is moving to private industry.

If private industry takes over and does NASA’s job better than NASA, where will all those government incompetents find a job?


27 posted on 03/19/2014 11:07:25 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Vendome

What you said...


28 posted on 03/19/2014 11:07:54 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: SkyDancer

They just didn’t do it right.
The way “we” intend to do it will be completely benevolent and it’ll work!


29 posted on 03/19/2014 11:08:14 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: mandaladon
Defund NASA now bump for later.........
30 posted on 03/19/2014 11:08:34 AM PDT by indthkr
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To: longtermmemmory

ObamaCare call centers.


31 posted on 03/19/2014 11:08:43 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: longtermmemmory
If private industry takes over and does NASA’s job better than NASA, where will all those government incompetents find a job?

US Postal Service?

32 posted on 03/19/2014 11:09:05 AM PDT by awelliott (What one generation tolerates, the next embraces....)
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To: longtermmemmory
Where will all those government incompetents find a job?

As educrats in one of the 57 states.

33 posted on 03/19/2014 11:09:47 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: mandaladon

We have avowed communists as our government. Why do people have such a hard time admitting the truth?

It is hypocritical to go around accusing other governments of being communist.

We need to look after our own house.


34 posted on 03/19/2014 11:09:51 AM PDT by dforest
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To: mandaladon

As with everything else they wrongly believe, libs are the ultimate hypocrites on yet another subject. If they feel so strongly about this then they should be the first ones to give their wealth away followed by killing themselves to “save the planet” (or in this case the civilization). We’re waiting libs....put up or shut up.


35 posted on 03/19/2014 11:11:13 AM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: indthkr

The fact that NASA has the spare time and money to sit around and crank out policy papers regarding a predicted calamitous downfall of society indicates that it needs to be completely defunded and dissolved as a government agency. Period.


36 posted on 03/19/2014 11:11:26 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: mandaladon

This is the whole reason for the Obamacare disaster.


37 posted on 03/19/2014 11:12:40 AM PDT by afsnco
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Limits on resources harm the working class, while the wealthy are largely insulated from the problem, meaning resources continue to be used without regard to the cost to society.
That's why rich thieves like Al Gore we be the first to go when the revolution comes.

Not by coincidence, Al Gore, and Zero, and their fellow criminals in the Demagogic Party (and that includes the authors of this phony study) have systematically conspired to create artificial limits on resources. Their goal is to free up the road system for their SUVs and limos while forcing the rest of us to take overloaded public transit systems. Thanks mandaladon.
38 posted on 03/19/2014 11:13:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: mandaladon

The proverbial Road to Perdition. This is moronic drivel, and it only makes sense to those seeking the easist path to power, bribery. Unfortunately, it is our money they’re going to use, for people who won’t appreciate the sacrifices made to earn it, and who actually believe they’re entitled to it.
It provides power to those who engage in it, slavery to those who accept it, and guarantees not just social upheaval and bankruptcy, but in the end, bloody revolution. The innocents die with the guilty, and there’s only one way to prevent all this. NEVER go down the road of communism or socialism, and put those who advocate it on the hot seat, remove them from power if at all possible, and use the tools you have at your disposal to get them to admit publicly that they’re lying. It is not your best interests they have in mind, but their own. Probably not possible, but far better to make the effort now than to wait for the inevitable results.


39 posted on 03/19/2014 11:14:18 AM PDT by Thapsus_epiphany (Si vis pacem, parabellum.)
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To: MrB

Well Cuba, China and NK are showing the way. Well maybe not so much China since they’re sinking into the morass of Capitalism albeit somewhat slowly.


40 posted on 03/19/2014 11:15:12 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice.)
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To: mandaladon

I think you might find multiculturalism could be another reason.


41 posted on 03/19/2014 11:16:31 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: mandaladon

And how many people have been murdered by the love shared in communism? 100 plus million?

What are these idiots in NASA, pissing away our money, on a “study” like this?? This has to do with space, how?

Joe McCarthy was right after all.


42 posted on 03/19/2014 11:17:02 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Jim Robinson

Hard to believe this bunch went to the moon. I love space exploration but NASA seems to have become the “scientific agency” the leftist trot out to try and scientifically explain their latest moonbat rants.


43 posted on 03/19/2014 11:21:23 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: mandaladon

The commies in power in this country are champing at the bit for their own “Holodomor” to occur right in the middle of the breadbasket, just like their Godfather Stalin taught them...


44 posted on 03/19/2014 11:21:59 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: mandaladon

I wonder whom did this study. Whomever it was needs to be exterminated as they are proposing virtual mass murder of many of the planet’s population.


45 posted on 03/19/2014 11:22:08 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: mandaladon

Isn’t this taking away from NASA’s primary mission (as it was redefined in 2009) of reminding Muslim countries of the great contributions of Muslim scientists?


46 posted on 03/19/2014 11:24:40 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: mandaladon

“. . . I’m sure Obama agrees with this.”

Apparently the Republicans in the House of Representative agree as well. They appropriated the funds for the study. They had the option of not funding it.


47 posted on 03/19/2014 11:26:57 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: RatRipper

[ Adopting communism is the ONLY sure-fire way to cause the collapse, but close behind is progressives/closet commies sabotaging our current system into collapse.

Progressives = closet commies . . . I like that ]

Drowning by Statists

Commies - Drown you by forcing your head into a bucket of water

Progressives - Drown you by intentionally infecting you with Pneumonia and you drown slowly on the fuilds filling your lungs...


48 posted on 03/19/2014 11:27:37 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: mandaladon
Over consumption and resource depletion didn't kill any of those empires, it was the many, being managed by the few. Individualism is what America was founded upon, and it is what is under assault in America now and it's lack or resurgence is what will determine whether we stand or fall in times ahead...
49 posted on 03/19/2014 11:28:35 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Da Coyote
So, they decided to get into something requiring much less intellect....

...but a whole bunch of faerie dust.

50 posted on 03/19/2014 11:30:48 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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