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New Theory Sees Possible Fire on Missing Jet
TIME Mag Online ^ | 03-19-2014 5:35 AM ET | Per Liljas

Posted on 03/19/2014 10:59:34 AM PDT by Red Badger

A new theory claims that a fire broke out aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 and the crew was doing what it could to save passengers and themselves

As the search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight 370 enters its twelfth day, conspiracy theories and suggestions of foul play are giving way to the idea that a fire broke out onboard and the crew were simply doing everything they could to save the passengers and themselves.

That theory, first floated by Chris Goodfellow, a pilot with 20 years of experience, holds that a fire on board the aircraft caused the pilots to set course for the nearest viable airport. Heading back to Kuala Lumpur would have meant traversing 8,000-foot ridges. A much more feasible option would have been the 13,000-foot runway at Pulau Langkawi, a destination which would correspond with the new route the aircraft appeared to have followed.

Once the course had been altered, the fire could have melted electronic wire bundles, causing cyanide gas to be pumped through the cockpit and cabin, rendering everyone unconscious (oxygen masks don’t help since cyanide gas can be absorbed through the skin), and leaving the aircraft heading along its path until it ran out of fuel.

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The fire scenario could also explain the loss of communication systems. Either the pilots started killing electrical busses in order to contain the fire, or an electrical fire caused the gradual collapse of various systems on board.

“Taking busses offline is a big process, and it may leave you without computer and navigational instruments,” says Rodger, who believes it is more likely that a fire took down the aircraft’s communication systems.

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: alreadyposted; chrisgoodfellow; iran; malaysia; memebuilding; mh370; notthatnew; timelies; waronterror
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1 posted on 03/19/2014 10:59:34 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

So many theories out there, so I will give mine. The plane and all it’s passengers were abducted by space aliens and transported to their versions of zoos.


2 posted on 03/19/2014 11:01:34 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Red Badger

Chris Goodfellow sounds like a real expert!


3 posted on 03/19/2014 11:01:45 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Red Badger

I think the pre-programmed turn trumps all the other theories. It could be at the bottom of the Indian Ocean, but I am betting it is safely tucked away somewhere for future use.


4 posted on 03/19/2014 11:02:04 AM PDT by RatRipper (The political left are utterly evil and corrupt)
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To: Red Badger

Just plain nonsense.

The ACARS system was turned off before a normal voice sign off. There is no other reason other than tampering. Period.


5 posted on 03/19/2014 11:02:31 AM PDT by gandalftb (Go OK State Cowboys!!)
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To: Red Badger

Here is the only fact of this incident-

In 2014, you can board a modern airplane and disappear with a trace along with the plane and everyone else on it.

Have a nice flight!


6 posted on 03/19/2014 11:02:40 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Red Badger

The Goodfellow theory seemed plausible to me before Malaysian authorities changed the timeline to indicate that a change in flight path was programmed into the flight management computer and the plane did in fact change direction BEFORE the co-pilot said “all right, good night.”

Of course the authorities may simply be wrong on this.

But if the plane changed direction before the co-pilot spoke over the radio as if nothing was wrong, then foul play would have to be at the top of the analysis.


7 posted on 03/19/2014 11:03:48 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Red Badger
to iran
8 posted on 03/19/2014 11:04:15 AM PDT by MarMema (Run Ted Run)
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To: Red Badger

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/chrisgoodfellow/index


9 posted on 03/19/2014 11:04:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Mastador1

With Billy Pilgrim?


10 posted on 03/19/2014 11:05:14 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963 (=)
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To: gandalftb

But while they figure out what to do, this media is sent out so people can forget.


11 posted on 03/19/2014 11:05:18 AM PDT by MarMema (Run Ted Run)
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To: Red Badger

So then how does a plane on fire make those complex maneuvers at those 3 waypoints in the Strait of Malacca and then subsequently fly for 6 more hours???


12 posted on 03/19/2014 11:05:31 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: gandalftb
WHAT?

A fire takes out a wire bundle, shorting the ACARS system, transponders, etc.. The pilots could've been unaware of the fire until it had already compromised the wiring. Even if the transponder knob is in the 'on' position, it may have been disabled due to a fire.. And etc..

13 posted on 03/19/2014 11:09:01 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Mastador1

transported to their versions of zoos.

For food for their pets, food for them or just to laugh at us?


14 posted on 03/19/2014 11:09:28 AM PDT by mountainlion
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To: Red Badger

I think we are moving towards the fact that the plane has been stolen and is sitting on the ground in Pakistan or Iran. Likely the passengers have been killed.

Since about the 3rd day when the search began to look like a 3 stooges movie I have figured the plane landed somewhere, the powers that be know where it is and they are trying to figure out what to do about it.

Sonds like the US is trying to get Pakistan to fess up to allow them to save face wen all this comes out.


15 posted on 03/19/2014 11:09:53 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Red Badger

Swamp gas!


16 posted on 03/19/2014 11:11:11 AM PDT by mountainlion
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To: Georgia Girl 2

It would be very embarrassing for a country such as Pakistan to find out a 777 was capable of being flown and land in their country under radar and not know about it.

Remember the incident with the German kid who landed a Cessna in Red Square back in the 80’s?....................


17 posted on 03/19/2014 11:12:42 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: Red Badger

Right, and the pilot puts it in the drink to put out the flames. In the meantime he shuts off the transponder so the emergency code 7700 wouldn’t be transmitted. Good piloting there Lou. Or 7500 hijack code. Probably shut it off just to be on the safe side.


18 posted on 03/19/2014 11:13:19 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice.)
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To: Red Badger; zot

I still think they flew into a time vortex.


19 posted on 03/19/2014 11:13:51 AM PDT by GreyFriar ( Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: gandalftb

I don’t believe EITHER pilot was involved in this aircraft’s disappearance. They were either acting under threat, OR a fire in the equipment room adjacent to the cockpit.


20 posted on 03/19/2014 11:14:17 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Red Badger

So when the co-pilot calmly said to the air traffic controller “Alright, goodnight” 12 minutes after the plane changed its course, this was during a raging fire in the cabin?

Makes no sense.


21 posted on 03/19/2014 11:14:18 AM PDT by slimjim12
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To: SkyDancer

“Theory time!”
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22 posted on 03/19/2014 11:15:04 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: gandalftb

Of course there is a problem when you are using a system for cars in a plane. Why didn’t they spend the money to use the APLANES system?


23 posted on 03/19/2014 11:15:13 AM PDT by GreyFriar ( Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: editor-surveyor

Ain’t it fun??


24 posted on 03/19/2014 11:15:55 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice.)
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To: Red Badger

What a crazy idea.


25 posted on 03/19/2014 11:16:17 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: Red Badger

Remember the incident when the SEALs flew into Pakistan aboard helicopters, and probably a drone or two as well? You can ‘stealth’ a helicopter but you can’t make them quiet. LOL


26 posted on 03/19/2014 11:16:17 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Red Badger

You know, the microphone to call is on the yoke, you can steer and talk at the same time. With no communication from the pilot - whenever happened was intentional or happened in less then 2 seconds.


27 posted on 03/19/2014 11:17:12 AM PDT by edcoil (Not a single republican was ever a slave owner. They were all democrats.)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

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I’d like to invite you to my Arizona Ocean Front Retirement Home seminar!
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28 posted on 03/19/2014 11:18:25 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Red Badger; All
New info was put out last night by FOX and CNN.

The flight was at least 12 minutes into the new westerly course change before putting out their "good night" message at 0119 and at 0121 the transponder, etc were turned off (per FOX).

CNN Linky

29 posted on 03/19/2014 11:19:01 AM PDT by QT3.14
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To: slimjim12

Isn’t the latest news now that he commented BEFORE they changed course and not AFTER?


30 posted on 03/19/2014 11:19:12 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Red Badger

gee, those pilots must have been freakin psychic or something..already changing course and turning west 12 minutes BEFORE calling into traffic control and saying alright good night..can I ask these pilots for lotto numbers seems they can predict the future


31 posted on 03/19/2014 11:19:42 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Mastador1
Perhaps only short term at the zoo.
32 posted on 03/19/2014 11:20:01 AM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: MarMema
If those fishermen in the Maldives really saw it then I would bet on Somalia. I didn't know where Maldives is other than somewhere in the Indian Ocean so I looked at the map and Maldives is midpoint in a straight line to Somalia.
33 posted on 03/19/2014 11:21:17 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: slimjim12
By the way, the aircraft course change could've been done by the aircraft's flight management software and NOT manually. The fire theory holds water (so to speak).
34 posted on 03/19/2014 11:21:18 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Meet the New Boss

Concur. A fire that is unknown could explain loss of systems while the pilots fly unaware but a course change preceding last verbal contact is hard to explain with that.


35 posted on 03/19/2014 11:21:29 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: gandalftb

I’ve read this comment from several posters. ACARS only reported, according to several pilots (online), at debark, gear up, and landing, unless a internal event triggers it earlier. Ie., the data transmission (not satellite handshake) would only occur if something out of the ordinary was detected.

Then from most timelines, the transponder went offline after the last call in. A slowly progressing system fault could cause a domino failure, if the initial failure triggered physical damage to the airplane.

I think it’s the Malaysians’ fault that this fact was distorted early on.

Plus, how do we know the fault was visible at the time the pilots called in? The Thai radar reports said the drift west was very slow. It was the Malaysians who claimed it all went nuts all at once. I don’t trust them. Their transportation minister looks like a deer in the headlights at the press conferences. He doesn’t want to be there...

To me, it doesn’t yet seem like anything is legally out of order at this point. Mostly, it’s the Malaysians trying to cover up that they don’t know what happened, because they were not paying enough attention to details of their airspace.

Ie., the confusion is being created over a simple failure of a complex system, because the Malays are executing a full press CYA operation since they didn’t deal with the airliners going off course in the first place.

This has been obvious ever since it was discovered that the plane actually flew over the island.

On my limb here, this plane is in the ocean, and every soul on it was dead before it touched down on the water.


36 posted on 03/19/2014 11:22:19 AM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: Red Badger

So the pilots didn’t radio in to report any problem?


37 posted on 03/19/2014 11:22:28 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The Texas judge's decision was to pave the way for same sex divorce for two Massachusetts women.)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Excellent!


38 posted on 03/19/2014 11:22:41 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1; Revolting cat!

Calypso Louis’ mothership abducted them.


39 posted on 03/19/2014 11:23:03 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The Texas judge's decision was to pave the way for same sex divorce for two Massachusetts women.)
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To: Red Badger

New Theory Sees Possible Fire on Missing Jet

Time’s about a week late on this new theory.


40 posted on 03/19/2014 11:24:07 AM PDT by McGruff (They say the first casualty of war is truth)
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To: Red Badger

Plausible. Still need a debris field.

Prayers up for all concerned.


41 posted on 03/19/2014 11:24:31 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: Red Badger
“It’s my favorite analysis because it means there wasn’t a bad guy doing something bad to an airliner.”

Instead of Occam's Razor we have Pollyana's Theorem.

42 posted on 03/19/2014 11:25:12 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.")
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To: arthurus
Israel thinks Iran though.

And I think Mossad is on to something for them to announce it as they have.

43 posted on 03/19/2014 11:27:36 AM PDT by MarMema (Run Ted Run)
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To: Red Badger

Plausible deniability. Ridiculous.


44 posted on 03/19/2014 11:28:32 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: CivilWarBrewing

The pilots could’ve been unaware of the fire until it had already compromised the wiring

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One of his main points was that the left turn was made because of a fire .... heading for the nearest suitable airport. The air strip that lined up with the new lat/long heading keyed into the FMS had an over water approach - the airport of origin had a couple of ridges to fly over that could have been problematic with a crippled plane.


45 posted on 03/19/2014 11:33:24 AM PDT by Qiviut (It's hard to be a donk if you're sane & it's hard to be a pubbie if you have any integrity.)
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To: QT3.14

Actually it means that the new westerly course was programmed into the computer atleast 12 minutes earlier — not that they were already on that course.

The question is whether the complex maneuvers over the Straits of Malacca putting it on a northwesterly heading were also programmed into the computer at that time or done manually a half hour later.


46 posted on 03/19/2014 11:33:46 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Red Badger

So how does a burning jet fly for 7 hours...

The pilots are doing everything possible to turn anything other than the obvious fact the air crew is involved..


47 posted on 03/19/2014 11:34:02 AM PDT by montanajoe
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To: CivilWarBrewing
Isn’t the latest news now that he commented BEFORE they changed course and not AFTER?

Yes that is what Malaysian officials are now saying but they are also pointing out that the course change was entered into the computer atleast 12 minutes before he said Good Night.

So the course change was premeditated and not the result of any fire or smoke or flight calamity.

48 posted on 03/19/2014 11:38:47 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: slimjim12
So when the co-pilot calmly said to the air traffic controller “Alright, goodnight” 12 minutes after the plane changed its course, this was during a raging fire in the cabin?

Ice water running through his veins.
Black Knight worthy: 'tis but a flesh wound' ... 'tis just a minor wee fire' ...

49 posted on 03/19/2014 11:40:23 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Red Badger

there are lots of possible stories. But the most likely one is that the pilot committed suicide and took the crew and passengers with him. (his wife took their kids and left him the day before—too big a coincidence)


50 posted on 03/19/2014 11:40:35 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (Obama-worst president in American History)
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