Skip to comments.Obama doesnít grasp Putinís Eurasian ambitions
Posted on 03/19/2014 5:51:23 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
ITS EASY to conclude that Vladimir Putins passionate defense of Russias takeover of Crimea just didnt jibe with reality, as Secretary of State John F. Kerry put it. In a speech on Tuesday, the Russian ruler repeated mendacious charges that the Ukrainian government had been hijacked by nationalists, neo-Nazis, Russophobes and anti-Semites; voiced his paranoid conspiracy theory about supposed Western sponsorship of popular revolutions, including the Arab Spring; and brazenly compared Russias abrupt annexation of Ukraine with the reunification of Germany.
Its necessary, however, to take some of what Mr. Putin said seriously, because of the implicit threat it poses to European and global security. Mr. Putin advanced a radical and dangerous argument: that the collapse of the Soviet Union left the Russian nation as one of the biggest, if not the biggest ethnic group in the world to be divided by borders. That, he suggested, gave Moscow the right to intervene in Crimea, and, by extension, anywhere it considers ethnic Russians or their culture to be threatened.
Mr. Putins doctrine would justify Russian meddling not just in other parts of Ukraine he claimed that large sections of the historical south of Russia now form the southeast of Ukraine but also in other former Soviet republics with substantial populations of ethnic Russians.
Western officials seem to be betting that Mr. Putin wont dare to extend his aggression beyond Crimea. But then, just last week they were saying they did not expect Moscow to move quickly on Crimean annexation. The Obama administration and its European allies have been too slow to grasp that Mr. Putin is bent on upending the post-Cold War order in Europe and reversing Russias loss of dominion over Eastern Europe, the Caucasus and Central Asia.
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The only ambitions Obama grasps are his own.
“Putin is opposing Bad America, therefore Putin must somehow be a good guy...”
2016: DEAD ON BULL’S-EYE.
Obama doesn’t “grasp” anything. Obama is a front.
Valerie Jarrett grasps everything very well. She is there to destroy America as we know it.
Fundamentally changing America = destroying what you know to be America. Different wording, same meaning.
Well...Obammy is more flexible now after the election.
Russia is a great power. With 150 million people, it would always be certain to dominate Europe. We can’t change this but we could shape the kind of great power Russia ought to be.
Whether a common European home is ever realized depends on the choices Russians make. Crimea aside, I do not see Europe going to back to the Cold War days. Every one has too much to lose.
That is why no one is taking really irreversible steps that could plunge Europe into another world war. And we can all hope that never does happen.
Where was Valerie Jarrett born? Oh yeah. Shiraz, Iran.
Nature abhors a vacuum.
It’s laid out here pretty well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
Mind you, the book was written in the mid to late 1990s, so some minor aspects of it might have changed, but I’m seriously thinking the neo-Eurasianist idea has become Russia’s guiding ideology.
We never would have had a cold war if Roosevelt had not stopped Patton from rolling into Berlin. Roosevelt believed that Russia had an ultimate right to seize Berlin.
Obama is going to call a timeout on Ukraine, the Baltics, the Malaysian airliner, and all that. Time out until March Madness is done. First things first.
Is it time for another round of golf yet?
Obama grasps Putins ambitions.....
He simply doesn’t care....
Well, they both agree on bringing down the USA.
That means not having a pill pedeling homo as a president.
What we can do now is what Sarah Palin said (though she was wasn't the first, any thinking American would come up with it.) Drill and sell our own natural gas and other fossil fuels.
We get Money, Jobs, Undercut Russia's Massive profits, and get new customers In Europe.
There is no downside to it at all.
Good diplomacy = strength through superior firepower.
Obama’s going with flower power and fairy dust.
Reagan broke the Soviet Union’s bank with a defensive buildup and “starwars” that the SU couldn’t compete with. Now Obama announces proudly that US defenses will be reduced to pre-WWII size. What do Libs expect?
For what it’s worth, there are more ethnic Russians in the United States than there are in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania combined. Will Kerry acknowledge Putin’s legitimate interest in Brooklyn?
One of the more interesting aspects of the ideology lies in its proposition of a Russian-Iranian alliance as the linchpin of a “Moscow-Tehran axis”.
Oh yeah, that’s pretty obviously what’s taking place.
To the best of my knowledge, the book is only available in the Russian language; I have a print copy, but my Russian is very rusty, so it take me awhile to slog through it.
A former student of mine brought it to my attention a couple of months ago; that individual works for the VZ (Vojenské zpravodajství), Czech military intelligence.
Heh....my students (former and current) are an interesting bunch. I can proudly even call a former Defense Minister as a former student.
Biggest missed opportunity of the 20th century. Russia could have been neutered right then and there. There would now be nobody to stand against if more had listened to Patton back then.
Out free marketeer the Russians.
Obama grasps Putins ambitions.....
He simply doesnt care....
Yep. You know we are in bad shape when a WaPo editorial is being attacked as neocon warmongering in the comments section.
He only care about March Madness game bottom line
Our country is no longer adrift. The ship of state is being piloted toward the rocks by a grinning fool. This grinning fool makes GF Jimmy Carter look great.
Why is there any amazement at all of this, at all?
MR. VLADIMIR PUTIN STATED THIS VERY THING AS ONE OF HIS GOALS, WHEN HE WAS RUNNING FOR OFFICE, IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!
There is a maxim that those of us who were in any way involved in The Cold War remember: “When the KGB whispered there was something that was going to happen, you could make book on it.”
We’ve got a backwater gimp for a President and a man so ashamed of his medals that he forgot he threw them away, when he came before Congress as a leader of a Communist group now performing in the role of Sec’y of State.
Vladimir Putin: I should be concerned about what Obama may say or do? Don’t make me laugh. The only reason that turd can even talk is he has a teleprompter to do his thinking for him. Crimea today...Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania tomorrow!
1. We were not going to fight the Soviet Union in 1945. There was absolutely no public support for such a proposition, not after we had just beaten Germany with them. Not while we were still at war with Japan.
2. We were going to have a Cold War. It actually began in late 1943 or early 1944, when perceptive people began to realize that Stalin intended to dominate Eastern Europe as his exclusive territory, and there was not one damn thing we could do to stop it.
Or he does and that's what his plea with the Russian ambassador to wait until after the election when he would have more flexibility was all about. It sounded like a plea of a store owner to the Mafia representatives. Please you gotta gimme a month, I'll have the money by then!
We get Money, Jobs, Undercut Russia's Massive profits, and get new customers In Europe.
This is exactly what we should be doing.
His Arrogance doesn’t give a crap about much if he can play golf and Reggie!
The country of Georgia doesn’t fare very well in that analysis does it?
You make a fair point about the political reasons why the West couldn’t fight the USSR but from a military standpoint (and Patton was first and foremost a military man) I think it was doable.
By 1945 the USSR was exhausted, speaking purely anecdotally, I had an uncle, a big 6’ Swedish American man, he was 19 and in the US Marines and never fired a shot in anger in the entire war. He spent it on guard duty at a Navy base in Derry Northern Ireland, they were shipping him to Japan when the bomb was dropped. By that stage women were driving tanks on the front line for the Red Army. Every boot on the Red Army’s feet came from the US as did most of their trucks.
The Red Army was beatable by 1945, there was just no way anyone was going to try beating them (particularly not by Patton’s means of rearming the Wehrmacht and giving them a go).
That’s fair enough, what is galling though is how the threat was never even used, Stalin walked rings round Churchill and Roosevelt, anything he asked for he got, everyone was terrified of upsetting him. Stalin was a bully and he had the measure of the west’s leadership, he knew they wouldn’t lift a finger to stop him but that was mainly because no one even threatened him.
If the west had shown a bit more backbone and let’s say gave Patton a bit of free reign instead of publicly reprehending him when he spoke out things might have worked out a bit different. A bit of hard cop soft cop never goes amiss in negotiations; “Gee that Georgie Patton guy’s a nut Joe, he really wants to take on your boys and figures we could cut off all aid to you and we could give it to the Krauts instead, we don’t wanna do that now do we? So let’s be reasonable here eh?”.
But no, whatever Uncle Joe asked for, Uncle Joe got.
And it would not have been a pushover. I don't think you know much about the Red Army that emerged from World War 2. The Red Army was a large, well-equipped and well-led military machine accustomed to any and every hardship. And with the iron grip of the commissars, they would have followed Stalin's orders to fight to the death.
Yes, we could have beaten them, but only with a staggering butcher's bill that the American public would never have accepted.
This scenario violates henkster's Law of alternate histories. It's not a viable alternate history if it involves the Americans not being the Americans, and American public would never have paid the blood price the Soviets would have extracted. Not with the prospect of the same against Japan at the same time.
The reality is that the Cold War never ended. The Soviet Union just changed names to the Russian Federation and temporally lost some territory. It is trying to get it back now under the guise of protecting “ethnic Russians.” Sounds very much like Adolf Hitler in the 30s.
Whatever, “Russia” and “Red China” are every bit the threat they were before....in some ways more so. This is NO time to be downsizing the military...and to withdraw all forces to within U.S. borders. We need to maintain a robust standing Army (augmented with a quality Guard and Reserve), a well equipted Air Force (do not can the A-10s), and we need to grow the U.S. Navy and associated Marine units.
This plus we need a new strong POTUS....and one that isn’t an isolationist fool like Rand Paul.
Sadly Russia is still fighting WWIi... and I am talking the one of active Barbarosa treaty with the Nazis against the West that let them invade Finland.
The Washington Post does not fear Putin.
The Washington Post fears the 2014 election.
The neo-Con reaction is very similar - all politics, no substance.
After you read “Commentary” magazine over a period of years, you realize that most neo-Cons support the Democratic Party on every issue except military spending and Israel.
The neo-Cons have to be hawks against Putin, otherwise, they will be accused of being single issue Conservatives who only care about Israel.
You appear to have missed the thrust of my point. I was not disagreeing with the idea that politically it couldn’t have been done, I am simply stating that it should never have been made so obvious (by publicly admonishing Patton for his comments etc) that the option wasn’t on the table.
Joe Stalin got every single thing he wanted through bluster and bluff, he always pretended that he could make a separate peace with Hitler to scare the western allies. Stalin could never have done so and survived but simply the threat was enough to make the western allies panic and give him whatever he wanted.
At the same time Stalin was terrified that the western allies would make a separate peace with Hitler and leave him on his own, something that was not so fanciful. This weakness should have been exploited by the western allies. They should have delayed the odd lend-lease shipment, dropped hints that Georgie Patton wasn’t such an idiot after all. Made statements that after a suitably brief time period Germany could be rearmed and back on its feet again. Fine, it’s bluffing, we know that now but Joe Stalin didn’t.
You are mistaken that the Red Army was all powerful, like I said every single boot its soldiers wore had “Made in the USA” stamped on it, the same with the trucks, the wheat and meat that fed Soviet soldiers came from the west. Vast tracts of farmland and industrial plant were destroyed, millions of Russians were dead, millions more were sick of the war and of their government (and we know how that ended up in 1918). The USA was building the atomic bomb, it was the world’s greatest industrial nation bar none. Stalin was weak and he knew it.
The west didn’t have to actually fight Stalin, they just needed to show a bit of backbone in the face of his bluster and bluff, they caved however, time and again. The reason they caved of course was in no small way due to the fact that Joe Stalin had KGB agents inserted in the very highest ranks of the British, French and American governments.
Thank you for keeping an eye on the ComPost- so we don’t have to! Even they get it right once in a while.