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Radar Hits of 'Significant Size' Registered in Indian Ocean: Flight Crew
ABC NEWS ^ | 4-20-2014 | ABC News

Posted on 03/19/2014 11:12:04 PM PDT by tcrlaf

A flight crew scouring the southern Indian Ocean for a missing Malaysia Airlines plane tells ABC News that they're getting radar hits of "significant size," indicating something lurking below the water's surface.

ABC News' David Wright, on board the US Navy P-8 Poseidon, said the crew tells him the radar indicates "there is something down there."

It is still too early to tell if the radar hits are related to the missing plane, which was carrying 239 people when it disappeared on March 8.

The P-8 is among four aircraft and one merchant ship heading to a region off the coast of Australia after two objects that may be related to the plane were spotted by satellite, officials said Thursday.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: australia; australiasearch; iran; malaysia; malaysian; mh370; planecrash; search; waronterror
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Radar Hits of 'Significant Size' Registered in Indian Ocean: Flight Crew

In this part of the world, it could easily be a floating cargo container that fell off of a ship months ago, as anything else. They find stray containers all the time in this area.

1 posted on 03/19/2014 11:12:04 PM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf

Well if Fox sends Geraldo out there, you know they won’t find anything.


2 posted on 03/19/2014 11:13:26 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: tcrlaf

Red October?


3 posted on 03/19/2014 11:13:44 PM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: tcrlaf

Radar? Or sonar?


4 posted on 03/19/2014 11:14:52 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: tcrlaf

Gojira?


5 posted on 03/19/2014 11:14:56 PM PDT by Ray76 (/s)
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To: tcrlaf

On any given day, there are up to 2,500 lost containers floating in the oceans, per Sailing World. That is a LOT of cargo.


6 posted on 03/19/2014 11:19:01 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf
On any given day, there are up to 2,500 lost containers floating in the oceans, per Sailing World. That is a LOT of cargo.

But not usually in the S Indian Ocean. There isn't much trade between Australia and East Africa.

7 posted on 03/19/2014 11:34:11 PM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: tcrlaf

Radar and “below the waters surface” don’t go together to well...


8 posted on 03/19/2014 11:39:09 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Axenolith

Yeah...I don’t think ground penetrating radar works in salt water.


9 posted on 03/19/2014 11:48:48 PM PDT by Kaosinla (The More the Plans Fail. The More the Planners Plan.)
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To: Axenolith; Kaosinla

Maybe they are misreporting when they say Radar. Could it be the magnetic anomaly detector on the P8 finding something?


10 posted on 03/20/2014 12:02:30 AM PDT by MrShoop
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To: Axenolith; Kaosinla

Hmm, just read that the Navy scrapped MAD on the P8 to save weight. So scratch that theory.


11 posted on 03/20/2014 12:06:42 AM PDT by MrShoop
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To: Kaosinla
Sat photo released by Australia:
12 posted on 03/20/2014 12:08:16 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

CNN just now:

A CNN cameraman is on one of the Australian search planes. Only allowed camera on plane no other communication equipment


13 posted on 03/20/2014 12:10:07 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

I hope so, but I doubt it.


14 posted on 03/20/2014 12:22:53 AM PDT by Ray76 (/s)
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To: tcrlaf

that part of the world it could be from WW2.


15 posted on 03/20/2014 12:27:05 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: tcrlaf

Doesn’t look like wing in this view. Need a closer look.


16 posted on 03/20/2014 12:34:12 AM PDT by virgil
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To: tcrlaf

Anyone have an idea how this site compares with the scheduled flight path of the plane? Any idea how deep it is?


17 posted on 03/20/2014 1:14:44 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: tcrlaf

Tom Hanks raft and Wilson?


18 posted on 03/20/2014 1:23:27 AM PDT by Spartan302
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To: tcrlaf

Godzirra!


19 posted on 03/20/2014 1:42:26 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Stop wishing for a perfect world. You may get it. Who will you talk to then?)
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To: ArtDodger
the site is 1500 miles southwest of Perth on the way to Antarctica

the depth, from Reuters:
“The search area covered an ocean ridge known as Naturalist Plateau, a large sea shelf about 3,500 metres (9,800 feet) deep, Pattiaratchi said. The plateau is about 250 km (150 miles) wide by 400 km (250 miles) long, and the area around it is close to 5,000 metres (16,400 feet) deep. “ http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/20/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140320

20 posted on 03/20/2014 2:29:33 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: tcrlaf
Is anyone else wondering why Google maps is capable of showing so much more detail than is shown in these images related to this story?

Do you think maybe they don't want to reveal their capability or is this really as good as it gets with the satellite they used?

21 posted on 03/20/2014 2:31:20 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: tcrlaf; All

The irony of this tragedy is that even if this turns out to be pilot suicide, now terrorists around the world know that there are multiple holes in multiple country defenses, and that you are able to board planes with stolen passports.


22 posted on 03/20/2014 2:34:18 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: tcrlaf

I am quitting Team Hijacking and joining Team Electrical Fire.

I suspect that the crew experienced a fire, set the Autopilot in the direction of a nearby airfield, and was then overcome by smoke, with the aircraft continuing on the last inputted course until it ran out of fuel.

All of the supposed timeline problems will eventually be revealed to be the result of misreporting combined with the reluctance of the crew to declare an in-flight emergency.


23 posted on 03/20/2014 2:34:28 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: Haiku Guy
“I am quitting Team Hijacking and joining Team Electrical Fire.”

You may be right, but I have to say that if a 777 can be lost in this manner, that's very concerning, and they should be reevaluating the vulnerability of all 777s. If a tire fire - as has been suggested, can lead to this kind of disaster, then you would think there would be fire suppression systems and smoke ventilation systems in place for this. If an electrical fire that could lead to this can happen spontaneously, that is also very concerning.

I can't imagine what this is like for the families.

24 posted on 03/20/2014 3:34:13 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: blueplum
Thanks for the info. Seems as if the unknown object is conveniently inconvenient to check out....
25 posted on 03/20/2014 3:38:14 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: MrShoop
Could it be the magnetic anomaly detector on the P8 finding something?

The 777 is a plastic/carbon fiber airplane with a little aluminum. It is not magnetic nor good at reflecting much energy back at a radar/sonar source. Resting in chunks on an ocean floor it's practically invisible.

26 posted on 03/20/2014 3:45:12 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
If a tire fire - as has been suggested

I've heard this bandied about and wonder at the supposed cause of a nosewheel tire fire.

Tire fires are the result of a locked brake heating up and igniting magnesium wheels and the tires mounted on them, and usually happen on landing.

Nosewheels have no brakes.

27 posted on 03/20/2014 3:45:42 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: ArtDodger

It’s so far off from it’s scheduled path to Beijing that it’s in an entirely different part of the world.


28 posted on 03/20/2014 3:58:22 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: tcrlaf

Now they are saying the P8 did NOT find anything and returned to Perth, will not return until at least 10 hours later.
What this means is Breaking News for the next 48 hours of the same old tune.


29 posted on 03/20/2014 4:03:26 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: Reeses
The 777 is a plastic/carbon fiber airplane with a little aluminum. It is not magnetic nor good at reflecting much energy back at a radar/sonar source. Resting in chunks on an ocean floor it's practically invisible.

You are thinking of the 787.

This 777 is a big flying chunk of aluminum and most of it will sink PDQ.

30 posted on 03/20/2014 4:03:41 AM PDT by corkoman
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To: Haiku Guy

Sorry, gotta disagree.
They turn the plane, and then 10 minutes later, they say “good night” to the tower and don’t mention that they have a fire they are dealing with?
If it is a situation so dire they have to divert the flight, yet they don’t mention word one to the tower about it makes no sense.


31 posted on 03/20/2014 4:29:39 AM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Radar? Or sonar?”

One again “journalists” manage to screw up even basic facts about a story but expect people to take them seriously.


32 posted on 03/20/2014 4:48:11 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: tcrlaf

How is the “possible object” in that photo different from the numerous other similar looking objects in the picture?


33 posted on 03/20/2014 4:50:33 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: chae

You are too trusting of so called journalists who have spent more time in conjecture than reporting facts. The timeline is important, but perhaps we don’t know the precise sequence of events.


34 posted on 03/20/2014 4:50:37 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: corkoman

In addition, the fourth-generation 777X composite wing has a longer span than today’s 777. Its folding, raked wingtip and optimized span deliver greater efficiency, significant fuel savings and complete airport gate compatibility.

http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/777X/


35 posted on 03/20/2014 4:51:57 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Star Traveler
And.. how difficult would it be for someone, not necessarily a government, to spread some debris to throw off the scent? Hate to sound tin-foily but we live in times where I don't trust anything I read or hear...
36 posted on 03/20/2014 4:55:28 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: chae

“Sorry, gotta disagree.
They turn the plane, and then 10 minutes later, they say “good night” to the tower and don’t mention that they have a fire they are dealing with?
If it is a situation so dire they have to divert the flight, yet they don’t mention word one to the tower about it makes no sense.”

Plus, it made at least two additional course corrections out over the Straits of Malacca after the original westward turn. Someone was controlling the plane and it was responding accordingly. No fire.


37 posted on 03/20/2014 5:08:07 AM PDT by FAA
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To: FAA

Why is the Maldives sighting suddenly silenced?


38 posted on 03/20/2014 5:12:43 AM PDT by Spartan302
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To: chae; mazda77
That twelve minute discrepancy is the fly in the ointment. So, my theory is that they diverted out of an abundance of caution, thinking they could deal with the problem without declaring an emergency, thus the routine sign-off. They later lost communications and were overcome.

Either that or there is some misreporting on the time of either the sign-off or the diversion, with the sign off actually occuring first. If you look at a time zone map, Vietnam and Cambodia are North East of Malasia, but in an earlier time zone, which is screwy.


39 posted on 03/20/2014 5:20:14 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: Eye of Unk

ugh, another day of endless speculation and conjecture. I am getting bored with this story because the pretty much have quit reporting anything else.


40 posted on 03/20/2014 5:27:29 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Haiku Guy

From my experience, most official communication times are ZULU (GMT) so to avoid any confusion with time zones. Four years US Army Strategic Communications Command. Crypto Tech and Fixed Station Tech Control.

The only time we used local time at the comm centers was for shift changes.


41 posted on 03/20/2014 5:29:56 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: Red in Blue PA
>>>The irony of this tragedy is that even if this turns out to be pilot suicide, now terrorists around the world know that there are multiple holes in multiple country defenses, and that you are able to board planes with stolen passports.

And they will also know that the engines ping a satellite...

42 posted on 03/20/2014 5:33:56 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: tcrlaf; Tijeras_Slim; martin_fierro

I’m not going to give this report any credence until Courtney Love presents a full MS Paint analysis of this image.


43 posted on 03/20/2014 5:34:49 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Spartan302
Why is the Maldives ..... suddenly silenced?

It tipped over.

44 posted on 03/20/2014 5:52:20 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....' Nuff said!)
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To: mazda77

Most people don;t know what GMT is, and a lot don;t even know there are different time zones. Most of those people seem to reside in Washington, DC!


45 posted on 03/20/2014 5:54:39 AM PDT by gr8eman (But thermodynamics is just a social construct, created by the ruling white power structure)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

Looks like a capsized boat to me!


46 posted on 03/20/2014 5:55:28 AM PDT by gr8eman (But thermodynamics is just a social construct, created by the ruling white power structure)
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To: grobdriver

According to a 777 pilot I heard on TV there are no brakes on the nose wheel.


47 posted on 03/20/2014 6:01:15 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: gr8eman

Yep. When I was in Tehran, every teletype communications to and from other stations always ended in my call sign “OGIE” followed by the 24 hour time format.

DOTL . . . .OGIE 1634ZULU (Date OF Time Log)


48 posted on 03/20/2014 6:13:59 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: Axenolith
Radar and “below the waters surface” don’t go together to well...

LOL - yeah I was wondering about that one too...

49 posted on 03/20/2014 6:16:53 AM PDT by GOPJ (NASA: N othing A bout S pace A nymore - - FreperClearCase_guy)
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To: tcrlaf

>> could easily be a floating cargo container <<

Really? Most containers are either 20’ or 40’ long. At least, that was the situation 10 years ago, when I stopped engaging in trans-Pacific commerce. There may be some 52’ containers, but I can’t imagine that any are as long as 70’.


50 posted on 03/20/2014 6:38:25 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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