Skip to comments.Radar Hits of 'Significant Size' Registered in Indian Ocean: Flight Crew
Posted on 03/19/2014 11:12:04 PM PDT by tcrlaf
A flight crew scouring the southern Indian Ocean for a missing Malaysia Airlines plane tells ABC News that they're getting radar hits of "significant size," indicating something lurking below the water's surface.
ABC News' David Wright, on board the US Navy P-8 Poseidon, said the crew tells him the radar indicates "there is something down there."
It is still too early to tell if the radar hits are related to the missing plane, which was carrying 239 people when it disappeared on March 8.
The P-8 is among four aircraft and one merchant ship heading to a region off the coast of Australia after two objects that may be related to the plane were spotted by satellite, officials said Thursday.
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In this part of the world, it could easily be a floating cargo container that fell off of a ship months ago, as anything else. They find stray containers all the time in this area.
Well if Fox sends Geraldo out there, you know they won’t find anything.
Radar? Or sonar?
On any given day, there are up to 2,500 lost containers floating in the oceans, per Sailing World. That is a LOT of cargo.
But not usually in the S Indian Ocean. There isn't much trade between Australia and East Africa.
Radar and “below the waters surface” don’t go together to well...
Yeah...I don’t think ground penetrating radar works in salt water.
Maybe they are misreporting when they say Radar. Could it be the magnetic anomaly detector on the P8 finding something?
Hmm, just read that the Navy scrapped MAD on the P8 to save weight. So scratch that theory.
CNN just now:
A CNN cameraman is on one of the Australian search planes. Only allowed camera on plane no other communication equipment
I hope so, but I doubt it.
that part of the world it could be from WW2.
Doesn’t look like wing in this view. Need a closer look.
Anyone have an idea how this site compares with the scheduled flight path of the plane? Any idea how deep it is?
Tom Hanks raft and Wilson?
the depth, from Reuters:
“The search area covered an ocean ridge known as Naturalist Plateau, a large sea shelf about 3,500 metres (9,800 feet) deep, Pattiaratchi said. The plateau is about 250 km (150 miles) wide by 400 km (250 miles) long, and the area around it is close to 5,000 metres (16,400 feet) deep. “ http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/20/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140320
Do you think maybe they don't want to reveal their capability or is this really as good as it gets with the satellite they used?
The irony of this tragedy is that even if this turns out to be pilot suicide, now terrorists around the world know that there are multiple holes in multiple country defenses, and that you are able to board planes with stolen passports.
I am quitting Team Hijacking and joining Team Electrical Fire.
I suspect that the crew experienced a fire, set the Autopilot in the direction of a nearby airfield, and was then overcome by smoke, with the aircraft continuing on the last inputted course until it ran out of fuel.
All of the supposed timeline problems will eventually be revealed to be the result of misreporting combined with the reluctance of the crew to declare an in-flight emergency.
You may be right, but I have to say that if a 777 can be lost in this manner, that's very concerning, and they should be reevaluating the vulnerability of all 777s. If a tire fire - as has been suggested, can lead to this kind of disaster, then you would think there would be fire suppression systems and smoke ventilation systems in place for this. If an electrical fire that could lead to this can happen spontaneously, that is also very concerning.
I can't imagine what this is like for the families.
The 777 is a plastic/carbon fiber airplane with a little aluminum. It is not magnetic nor good at reflecting much energy back at a radar/sonar source. Resting in chunks on an ocean floor it's practically invisible.
I've heard this bandied about and wonder at the supposed cause of a nosewheel tire fire.
Tire fires are the result of a locked brake heating up and igniting magnesium wheels and the tires mounted on them, and usually happen on landing.
Nosewheels have no brakes.
It’s so far off from it’s scheduled path to Beijing that it’s in an entirely different part of the world.
Now they are saying the P8 did NOT find anything and returned to Perth, will not return until at least 10 hours later.
What this means is Breaking News for the next 48 hours of the same old tune.
You are thinking of the 787.
This 777 is a big flying chunk of aluminum and most of it will sink PDQ.
Sorry, gotta disagree.
They turn the plane, and then 10 minutes later, they say “good night” to the tower and don’t mention that they have a fire they are dealing with?
If it is a situation so dire they have to divert the flight, yet they don’t mention word one to the tower about it makes no sense.
“Radar? Or sonar?”
One again “journalists” manage to screw up even basic facts about a story but expect people to take them seriously.
How is the “possible object” in that photo different from the numerous other similar looking objects in the picture?
You are too trusting of so called journalists who have spent more time in conjecture than reporting facts. The timeline is important, but perhaps we don’t know the precise sequence of events.
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“Sorry, gotta disagree.
They turn the plane, and then 10 minutes later, they say good night to the tower and dont mention that they have a fire they are dealing with?
If it is a situation so dire they have to divert the flight, yet they dont mention word one to the tower about it makes no sense.”
Plus, it made at least two additional course corrections out over the Straits of Malacca after the original westward turn. Someone was controlling the plane and it was responding accordingly. No fire.
Why is the Maldives sighting suddenly silenced?
Either that or there is some misreporting on the time of either the sign-off or the diversion, with the sign off actually occuring first. If you look at a time zone map, Vietnam and Cambodia are North East of Malasia, but in an earlier time zone, which is screwy.
ugh, another day of endless speculation and conjecture. I am getting bored with this story because the pretty much have quit reporting anything else.
From my experience, most official communication times are ZULU (GMT) so to avoid any confusion with time zones. Four years US Army Strategic Communications Command. Crypto Tech and Fixed Station Tech Control.
The only time we used local time at the comm centers was for shift changes.
And they will also know that the engines ping a satellite...
I’m not going to give this report any credence until Courtney Love presents a full MS Paint analysis of this image.
It tipped over.
Most people don;t know what GMT is, and a lot don;t even know there are different time zones. Most of those people seem to reside in Washington, DC!
Looks like a capsized boat to me!
According to a 777 pilot I heard on TV there are no brakes on the nose wheel.
Yep. When I was in Tehran, every teletype communications to and from other stations always ended in my call sign “OGIE” followed by the 24 hour time format.
DOTL . . . .OGIE 1634ZULU (Date OF Time Log)
LOL - yeah I was wondering about that one too...
>> could easily be a floating cargo container <<
Really? Most containers are either 20’ or 40’ long. At least, that was the situation 10 years ago, when I stopped engaging in trans-Pacific commerce. There may be some 52’ containers, but I can’t imagine that any are as long as 70’.