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Search Underway for MH370 Following Reports of Possible Debris
Voice of America ^ | March 20, 2014 | Staff

Posted on 03/20/2014 3:47:11 AM PDT by lbryce

Surveillance aircraft patrolled a remote area in the southern Indian Ocean looking for a missing Malaysian airliner after Australia released satellite images of the region showing possible floating debris.

Malaysian Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said the photos represented a "credible lead" in the massive, multinational search for the plane, which disappeared on March 8 with 239 people on board.

The debris was found 2,500 kilometers southwest of the western Australian city of Perth. John Young with Australia's maritime authority said several Australian planes were headed to the area, but that search efforts could be complicated by poor visibility.

A large number of ships and planes from several countries are also being diverted to the area to help in the search.

Grainy photos released by Australian authorities showed the indistinct objects floating among the waves, partially submerged in the water. Officials estimate that one of the objects was 24 meters long and the other was five meters long.

(Excerpt) Read more at voanews.com ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: debrisspottted; iran; malaysia; malaysianairlines; mh370; missing777; waronterror
So, now we have satellite images of possible debris found floating in the southern Indian Ocean. Everyone who has been following the story knows better than to make any conclusions, connections of floating debris and the missing 777 until more information is forthcoming.
1 posted on 03/20/2014 3:47:12 AM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce

Bttt


2 posted on 03/20/2014 3:57:06 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: lbryce

Just recently FOX reports P8 has left the area after finding nothing and is returning to Perth.


3 posted on 03/20/2014 3:58:57 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: lbryce

A large number of ships and planes from several countries are also being diverted to the area to help in the search.
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The next big story will be about planes and ships colliding with each other in the massive search. /s


4 posted on 03/20/2014 4:10:44 AM PDT by RetSignman
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To: lbryce
And, for that matter ... what's a frikkin' remote section of an ocean ?

Y'can't get to it except by BOAT ?

5 posted on 03/20/2014 4:13:07 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: lbryce

It’s in Pakistan or Iran. Why do you think Israel is beefing up its defenses right now in dealing with airliners?


6 posted on 03/20/2014 4:17:49 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: lbryce

I’m looking at the graphic up at Reuters.com and the current hotspot appears to be the same area Aussies already searched - or at least on the edge of the same area.

3 million square miles and counting...


7 posted on 03/20/2014 4:21:48 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: Eye of Unk

I just did a quick path measurement on Google Earth to the coordinates and with combining of what we know about the path before it disappeared, it would have had to fly 5000 miles. Being that the extended range version can do more than that, it was only on a planned flight of about 3000 miles. They typically will not overload it with fuel. Not almost twice of what it needs to get the next drink because extra weight causes higher fuel burn.


8 posted on 03/20/2014 4:23:21 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: Star Traveler

I agree, all this bit aboutit west of Oz is diversionary, odds are too great to be true. I am waiting for an enraged Pakistan complaining about some incident real soon.


9 posted on 03/20/2014 4:27:57 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: Eye of Unk

US Navy says P-8 Poseidon aircraft completed 10-hour search mission over Indian Ocean and found nothing http://fxn.ws/1oxgzyJ #MH370

Military planes from Australia and the U.S. searched unsuccessfully Thursday for two objects spotted by satellite in the southern Indian Ocean that could be related to the missing Malaysia Airlines flight.

A Navy spokesman told Fox News that a P-8 Poseidon aircraft returned to base in the western Australian city of Perth with “nothing to report” after flying a 10-hour search mission in the Indian Ocean. Earlier Thursday, a statement on the Australian Maritime Safety Agency’s (AMSA) official Twitter account said that the crew of a Royal Australian Air Force P-3 aircraft had been unable to locate the debris due to limited visibility as a result of clouds and rain. The tweet added that other aircraft would continue the search.


10 posted on 03/20/2014 4:29:30 AM PDT by wtd
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To: Eye of Unk

US Navy says P-8 Poseidon aircraft completed 10-hour search mission over Indian Ocean and found nothing http://fxn.ws/1oxgzyJ #MH370

Military planes from Australia and the U.S. searched unsuccessfully Thursday for two objects spotted by satellite in the southern Indian Ocean that could be related to the missing Malaysia Airlines flight.

A Navy spokesman told Fox News that a P-8 Poseidon aircraft returned to base in the western Australian city of Perth with “nothing to report” after flying a 10-hour search mission in the Indian Ocean. Earlier Thursday, a statement on the Australian Maritime Safety Agency’s (AMSA) official Twitter account said that the crew of a Royal Australian Air Force P-3 aircraft had been unable to locate the debris due to limited visibility as a result of clouds and rain. The tweet added that other aircraft would continue the search.


11 posted on 03/20/2014 4:29:49 AM PDT by wtd
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To: Star Traveler

If I were Italy, I’d be beefing up right along with Israel.


12 posted on 03/20/2014 4:31:39 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: Star Traveler

Makes most sense. If it was muzzie jahad why not just crash it as soon as it was over water. Why bother with all the procedures they apparently went through?


13 posted on 03/20/2014 4:31:41 AM PDT by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: mazda77
Yeah, I was thinking about the range also. We've been seeing that 2550 mile maximum range circle since the flight went missing. That circle did not go as far south as the area where the "new lead" is located.

Looks like they just enlarged the circle to about 3500 miles and said "there she is."

Wish I could get some of that "expanding" fuel for my truck.

14 posted on 03/20/2014 4:37:16 AM PDT by skimbell
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To: wtd
I wonder if MAD (magnetic anomaly detection) equipment aboard the P3 would find any of the debris.
15 posted on 03/20/2014 4:39:36 AM PDT by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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To: skimbell

That circle was created using the maximum range of the aircraft if it were full. From all indications, it was not full but for some reason, the Malaysian folks are not telling us what the manifest fuel loading was. There is a record of just how much fuel was loaded onto the aircraft before it left the gate.


16 posted on 03/20/2014 4:41:30 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: Star Traveler

Perhaps the searching down in the southern Indian Ocean is to give the impression that the powers that be are not aware that the plane is in Iran.


17 posted on 03/20/2014 4:45:07 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: JudyinCanada

It’s being repaired along w all electronic signals being disabled. I believe it can strike anywhere fully fueled w just a couple of nukes.


18 posted on 03/20/2014 4:53:47 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: patriot08

I was pondering if it was linked to terrorism, the act has yet to be enacted. Saw Brad Thor, who was a spook analyst at one time, use the word “yet” when considering terrorism. His logic seemed plausible that once the aircraft was fitted with whatever device to create mass destruction, the passengers would be used for human shields daring anyone to shoot it down for fear of the negative connotations.

Israel is on high alert for this aircraft and we have yet to hear anything of a credit being taken by any terrorist group which usually one of them will even if they didn’t.


19 posted on 03/20/2014 4:56:41 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: JudyinCanada

More than likely there was a “special” press briefing to harp on this debris event just so attention is centered there.

I doubt Pakistan would allow an identical incursion like Zero Dark Thirty to happen again.


20 posted on 03/20/2014 4:57:59 AM PDT by Spartan302
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To: Star Traveler

Thank you for mentioning it. It’s a story I’ve been hearing a lot about and is a scenario that seems likely and even more worrisome.


21 posted on 03/20/2014 4:58:38 AM PDT by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: lbryce

re: Search Underway for MH370 Following Reports of Possible Debris

Still doesn’t rule out SPACE ALIENS


22 posted on 03/20/2014 5:04:30 AM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: RetSignman

The next big story will be about planes and ships colliding with each other in the massive search. /s

I hope they find the missing MH370, but this 24/7 coverage of scanning the oceans has silenced the election debate, much like the OJ and Zimmerman trials.


23 posted on 03/20/2014 5:17:24 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: Tupelo

It also doesn’t rule out debris from the Japan Tsunami several years ago.


24 posted on 03/20/2014 5:47:38 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: mazda77

Malaysian Airlines said that it had fuel for 8 hours — 6 hours to Beijing plus 2 just in case.

At 500 mph that means 4,000 miles.

After flying for 2 hours it was just south of the Andaman Islands and a a little north of the Straits of Malaca.

3000 miles due south from that point puts them right where they are looking on the Arc of the Last Ping.


25 posted on 03/20/2014 5:52:17 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Star Traveler

Israel is beefing up defenses for political reasons is my gut. I seriously doubt this is in Iran or Pakistan.


26 posted on 03/20/2014 6:00:54 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Sounds plausible if considering the assumption of time and fuel usage at cruising altitude. It appears obvious they were low which changes the fuel range significantly. Besides, I went back and traced what we knew of the out, back and to the Andaman’s. Measureing on GE it is just over 3800 surface miles to the sighting coords from the Andaman.


27 posted on 03/20/2014 6:11:17 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: mazda77

Did you measure from point IGREX here which is probably where the pilot turned to head due south???

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3134904/posts?page=33#26

Though it may have flown at low altitude at an earlier point, Malaysian military radar said that as it was flying over the Strait of Malaca its altitude was normal — 35,000 feet.


28 posted on 03/20/2014 6:23:40 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: skimbell

It’s only because they refuled on Diego Garcia.


29 posted on 03/20/2014 6:55:02 AM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: PghBaldy

It was quoted in an article I read as being related to this plane, and that they were taking actions, as a result, for all airliners. I remember that one of the measures mentioned is that Israel is extending the distance at which those airliners have to be positively identified.

So ... they are definitely doing it in regards to this. In fact in another article about Israel’s response to this missing airliner, they are saying that “this has Iran’s fingerprints all over it”!


30 posted on 03/20/2014 6:56:10 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: lbryce

One of the things I saw quoted from Israel (I think it was someone in Israeli Intelligence) was ... “It has Iran’s fingerprints all over it!”


31 posted on 03/20/2014 7:05:06 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Uncle Chip

I measure to the coords from the center of the island which an estimate without the actual coords for those way-points is at best minus 150 surface miles from that 3800 plus change. I am at the office computer so my pushpins are not with me so if you have a list of the way-point coords and also the coords of the “debris” I could do it all over again and give a more precise overall distance but it is still about 700 miles too far.


32 posted on 03/20/2014 7:20:32 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: Eye of Unk

That plane is not in the Ocean. The US govt likely knows where it is. They just are not sharing at the moment.


33 posted on 03/20/2014 7:40:47 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: mazda77

I figure that he would have gone far enough along that yellow line toward waypoint IGREX so that when he then turned due south after 1.6 hours of flying time he would not have been within the Indonesian radar sweep.

He’s at 35,000 altitude — so getting maximum fuel mileage at 525 miles per hour with 6.4 hours of fuel left thus able to travel 3360 miles.

That’s pretty close — especially when 13 days of ocean currents kick in and take it further away.


34 posted on 03/20/2014 7:52:55 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

OK Unkie, Got the all the waypoint coords and also the sat image coords. Distance along the entire path = 4752 surface miles. This would be estimated just by clicking close to the cross-hairs if each of the 6 points.
Airport
AGARI
VAMPI
GIVAL
IGREX
Sat


35 posted on 03/20/2014 7:55:39 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: PghBaldy
Israel is beefing up defenses for political reasons is my gut.

Israel was beefing up its defenses well before this MH370 incident.

The beefing started weeks before this when all those rockets landed in Israel from the Gaza Strip and talk of invading Gaza began.

36 posted on 03/20/2014 7:58:18 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: mazda77
Distance along the entire path = 4752 surface miles.

that's still do-able if you figure 8 hours x 525 mph = 4200 miles.

He may have ordered extra fuel knowing where he was going to go and those ocean currents. I don't want you to get in any trouble at work but:

What is the distance from waypoint IGREX to the earliest part of the search area/debris field

37 posted on 03/20/2014 8:10:24 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

@3700


38 posted on 03/20/2014 8:12:28 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: mazda77

So 3700 - 3360 = 340

Could the current carry debris 340 miles over 13 days???

340 miles/13 days = 26 miles/day = 1.1 miles/hour

Is a current of 1.1 mph at that location common???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_current


39 posted on 03/20/2014 8:32:31 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

I think you would be cutting just too fine a line to make it so. Does it make sense? Yes/No who is to say? Why the sudden shift south if they were incapacitated? Makes no sense. Why make the Bat Turn from its original trajectory? Too many assumptions of illogical actions.

Like others say, look to the most rational and simplest answer and therein lies the answer, or at least a part of it. I for the mean time will subscribe to the Brad Thor theories.


40 posted on 03/20/2014 10:10:07 AM PDT by mazda77
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