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Crestwood Court(St. Louis): Dead Mall in its Final Days (A Walkthrough)
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Posted on 03/20/2014 2:56:28 PM PDT by DallasBiff

Quite sad, small business owned retail establishments in malls going out of business, but yet the keystroke is much easier than walking to a retail business.


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1 posted on 03/20/2014 2:56:29 PM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: DallasBiff

Go here for other mall memories http://deadmalls.com
I use to go to Brookdale in Minnesota. I visited the area in 2004 and was shocked at how rundown the mall was. It looked like a swap meet place with only Sears still looking the same.
The comments I read when searching at google was that the area around it and the bus stop that was added brought in all kinds of gang members and other low lifes which drove out the good people.

It has been mostly bulldozed and another mall (more open) being built in it’s place.


2 posted on 03/20/2014 3:03:33 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: DallasBiff

That’s nothing! Check out the late Randall Mall in a Cleveland, near in, suburb. Once one of, if not the greatest mall in the US. The neighborhood changed,,,,,,,

http://www.labelscar.com/ohio/randall-park-mall


3 posted on 03/20/2014 3:09:01 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: DallasBiff

I think various malls having been dying for the better part of 40 years. In fact I can think of multiple comedians who have gotten material from this phenomenon. No doubt Amazon, etc. and other recent social trends have an effect. But that is not all there is to it.


4 posted on 03/20/2014 3:11:29 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: DallasBiff

What was the reason the mall in question emptied out?


5 posted on 03/20/2014 3:12:45 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: minnesota_bound

Anyone familiar with Landover Mall in the Washington, DC area?

That was a beautiful suburban mall when it opened. But, the area around the mall went downhill, and gang types went to the mall. Their presence in big numbers scared away legitimate shoppers. Stores pulled out of the mall, leaving vacancies or low end retail such as dollar stores.

Eventually the mall was torn down.

Some black leaders in that area blame the owners of the mall for not having adequate security, or for not doing more to attract high end stores. But, unfortunately, critical masses of shoppers voted with their feet, and decided to avoid Landover Mall as it went downhill.

Nobody wants to go shopping in gang country. Probably it is politically incorrect or even racist to say anything. But the mall went under. You can’t survive in retail without legitimate paying customers.


6 posted on 03/20/2014 3:13:25 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (as)
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To: DallasBiff

Not dead yet: The American shopping mall is changing, not going away

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/not-dead-yet—the-american-shopping-mall-is-changing—not-going-away-174448145.html;_ylt=AwrTWf0zaCtTeXsAxf.TmYlQ


7 posted on 03/20/2014 3:14:36 PM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: minnesota_bound

The comments I read when searching at google was that the area around it and the bus stop that was added brought in all kinds of gang members and other low lifes which drove out the good people.


That’s a common theme I’m afraid to say. And it is everywhere the thugs are. And from my own point of view I point the finger directly at the police and the Politicians of the town and cities where this happens over and over again. They would rather see the ‘good’ people leave and the businesses they were customers at close down than push back against the Political Correctness and the fear of being called a Racist by the Thugs and their ‘lobbyists’ aka Community organizers.


8 posted on 03/20/2014 3:15:01 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: DallasBiff
Killed by the internet...AND Sons and Daughters of Odingus The Great.

I'd put money on it. That is why movie theaters are going to go out of bidness in 10-20 years-why share the same space, and breathe the same air with 350 Trayvons in Training and/or the cast of My Big Redneck Wedding?

9 posted on 03/20/2014 3:17:36 PM PDT by Captainpaintball
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To: wideminded
No doubt Amazon, etc. and other recent social trends have an effect. But that is not all there is to it.

I live a mere two miles from a major mall here in S.E. Michigan and have only visited it once in the past 10 years and that was to purchase a pair of walking shoes.

Virtually ALL my shopping is done via the internet and that is because I can find anything I want in whatever size I need within the comfort of my home...........

I play a lot of sports and prefer the top end equipment which is never offered in the box stores such as Dicks, Sports Authority or whatever. As for clothing, I'm a small male and can never find my size in any of these stores...........

With the internet, there is no longer a need for me to spend hours driving around and shopping for whatever it is I'm looking for........

10 posted on 03/20/2014 3:22:51 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: DallasBiff

Malls well that ends well.


11 posted on 03/20/2014 3:23:40 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
That's it, precisely.

Probably it is politically incorrect or even racist to say anything

Oh Well !

White guilt is for victims .. liberate yourself .. begin by losing the apologetics.

/.02

12 posted on 03/20/2014 3:25:04 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: minnesota_bound
When I was a kid, Mom took us downtown to shop. At the time there were 5 department stores, 3 discount stores (the five and dime stores) plus a slew of shoe stores, hat shops, men's stores and a few theaters. Then downtown deteriorated. Most of the department stores closed. The five and dimes, the other stores and the movie theaters disappeared. Crime and gangs had taken over.

Then the malls were built and they became THE places to shop. Some malls had multiplex movie theaters either on the property or adjacent. I remember taking my mother one Saturday a month to the biggest mall. It had a food court, 3 sit down restaurants plus all the department stores that used to be in town and so many others. Mom and I would go early in the morning and not leave till evening.

Well, that big mall is all but deserted now. Gangs and crime moved from the city to the suburban malls. Malls didn't bother maintaining a competent and effective security force. When people don't feel safe, they will stay away in droves.

I know of only mall that's doing sorta ok. It's relatively new. The owners did spend some money on good security and there is even a local police substation in the mall. Crime isn't the problem here, but rather, it's the economy. Every year after Christmas, you can count on 1 store closing. After Christmas, 2013, it was 3 stores. People just don't have the money to spend.

I'm old fashioned. I still like to go to a store and buy things in person. But as malls close and stores fade away, I'm finding myself ordering merchandise online more and more. It's a shame.

13 posted on 03/20/2014 3:25:38 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: wideminded

When you think about it...malls were the reason many of the big department stores in the cities closed.
At least that’s what happened in the Boston area.


14 posted on 03/20/2014 3:25:41 PM PDT by markoman (The man with the rubber glove was....surprisingly gentle.)
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To: DallasBiff
..in Lexington KY., there used to be a very popular mall (Lexington Mall) @ New Circle Rd./Richmond Rd.
The rental for stores, drove the stores out/ppl stop shopping there, to much larger Mall on other side of city.
The Mall, sat empty 20+ years, it was sold to a megachurch, who gutted the whole structure, reducing floor
area by (guessing) by a 1/3..rebuilt, it's a great looming church..it's very inviting.

15 posted on 03/20/2014 3:29:18 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: markoman

mostly, the stores didn’t close, they moved.

Downtown became obsolete.


16 posted on 03/20/2014 3:30:24 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: wideminded
You're right. This phenomenon predates e-commerce by decades: Dixie Square Mall, where the 1980 Blues Brothers movie was filmed, was a dead mall, having been closed in 1978.
17 posted on 03/20/2014 3:31:44 PM PDT by Heatseeker
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To: The Working Man
Interestingly, I think Mondawmin Mall in a pretty bad neighborhood in Baltimore is still going strong.

And it's a stop on the train and bus lines.

I only went there a couple of times, then got the hell out of there.

You don't want to be there after dark.

Maybe it's different today. This was 20 years ago.

18 posted on 03/20/2014 3:32:07 PM PDT by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: DallasBiff

Almost unbelievable. Remember this when the drive-in movie was across the street. I believe this land was available in the 1940s for only $8,500. It was really something and I spent many a day going through it. Haven’t been there in decades ago as I no longer live there since the 1970s. Times change. Let’s hope something better arrives.


19 posted on 03/20/2014 3:37:21 PM PDT by RichardW
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

“The neighborhood changed.”
We used to call it Randall Dark Mall for the obvious reason.Crime drove the mall into the ground.Same thing happened to Rolling Acres Mall,The city of Akron extended the bus line to the mall and it was all over for them.


20 posted on 03/20/2014 4:01:25 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Farmer Dean

I say that the quickest way to get rid of a mall is to add bus stops.


21 posted on 03/20/2014 4:12:42 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Excellence; DallasBiff

From the article Excellence linked to:

“Contrary to popular belief, online shopping didn’t kill malls. As of the fourth quarter of 2013 only 6% of all U.S. retail sales were done online. Sales are migrating away from brick and mortar stores but the demise of lesser malls is due to a confluence of consolidation in the retail industry as a whole, the death of the smaller specialty store “hang-outs” and the rise of retail Death Stars like the Mall of America or the Mall at Short Hills.”

6% of retail sales online is not the reason malls are closing.

Here’s an example of why I shop online. Hubby has been diagnosed with fairly late stage kidney disease and has to cut out most of the sodium and potassium, also told not to skip meals and to eat ‘quality’ protein. So we are making almost everything from scratch, including tortillas and things due to sodium. I wanted to buy divided containers that we could freeze meals ahead of time in and he could microwave at work. He takes his breakfast and lunch this way.

Visited Wal-Mart - they had 2 of what we wanted, Target had 3, the kitchen store had none. I gave up and started calling to find out - no store had more than 3. Okay so do I drive to 10 or more stores since we were looking to freeze at least a month’s worth of food? Nope, CLICK and they were at my door 2 days later via Amazon.

I tried, but I’m not wasting gas driving all around Albuquerque running in each store for 2 or 3 things. It’s becoming more and more common to find things like that and I just don’t have time for the hassle.


22 posted on 03/20/2014 4:21:47 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: DallasBiff

I frequented Crestwood Plaza since the ‘50s when it was a strip mall with Scruggs Vandervort and Barney on one end and Sears on the other.

It lasted longer than Northwest Plaza which was larger and has now been demolished. Crime and gangs were the culprit there.

St Louis has been under Democrat control since 1949. The failed experiments with taxpayer money are too many to name. Forced busing, urban renewal, housing projects, etc. They never learn.

Now Crestwood will be a “Lifestyle Center”, like Northwest Plaza. What, exactly, is that?


23 posted on 03/20/2014 4:24:02 PM PDT by chronicles
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I can count on the fingers of my left hand, how many times I’ve been to a mall and my left hand has fewer fingers than my right hand has.


24 posted on 03/20/2014 4:26:22 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (God is not the author of confusion. 1 Cor 13: 33)
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To: DallasBiff

Chris Rock sad he grew up in a town with two malls; one where the white folks shopped and one where the white folks used to shop.


25 posted on 03/20/2014 4:47:26 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: DallasBiff

Been there hundreds of times, but not in maybe 25 years. I had no idea it was this bad. When I was a kid, the Crestwood 66 Drive-In was across the street, and there was one of those old fashioned McDonalds nearby. A shame.


26 posted on 03/20/2014 4:51:15 PM PDT by Defiant (Let the Tea Party win, and we will declare peace on the American people and go home.)
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To: All

Back in the 80s Brownwood, Texas got a mall. The main anchor store was a K-Mart.


27 posted on 03/20/2014 4:54:07 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: DallasBiff

An example of a new mall that is succeeding is The Grove in Los Angeles, California.

No roof and no walls. It’s an outdoor space that’s landscaped and hardscaped with fountains, a stream, fish, plants, music, and lights. All the cafes have “creekside” patios. It’s fun to just walk and hang out, even if you don’t need a new pair of running shoes. Kids love it.

In other words, it’s a new “old” town square. Or a retail Disneyland with free admission (except for parking.)

Once again, Los Angeles does it first and does it better. Get with it, all you cities with dead malls! Google “The Grove” and build your own. They will come!


28 posted on 03/20/2014 5:06:30 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: The Working Man

Yes, just as a lot of the downtown areas before them were compromised by crime, gang activity, incivility, etc., so the same us happening to the malls shoppers and suburban residents fled to. Many downtowns have made comebacks to one extent or another. But because they aren’t on private property, they have problems with things like panhandling and people camping that malls don’t.
There are some brick and mortar establishments, bars and restaurants, hair salons, health clubs, for example, that can’t be replaced by online retailers.


29 posted on 03/20/2014 5:13:23 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: DallasBiff

What’s a mall?


30 posted on 03/20/2014 5:23:33 PM PDT by Exit148
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To: All

When I said “not on private property”, I meant the sidewalks and stuff. Here in the Puget Sound area, I think that’s the reason that you don’t see people panhandling, sleeping, etc. in malls but you do see them in downtown streets, especially at night, bedding down, shooting up, etc.

I agree that some malls, like U Village in Seattle and Alderwood in Lynnwood, are classing themselves up with lots of public art, fountains, appealing seating and common areas. The stores in those places are pretty high end. I would still prefer to go to a Nordstroms in downtown Everett, but those days are long gone, so Alderwood may be more appealing than the flagship store in downtown Seattle.
I think that the drug problems in downtown Everett, and the attendant crime a d incivility has spooked a lot of retailers and their customers.


31 posted on 03/20/2014 5:29:32 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: Captainpaintball

Or that idiot who killed that guy for texting on the phone. We have some dumb idiots in America.


32 posted on 03/20/2014 5:38:00 PM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: boop

We have incredible malls in Maryland. Annapolis Mall is great. Arundel Mills Mall is fantastic. Columbia Mall is a nice mall. We are very lucky to live here.


33 posted on 03/20/2014 5:42:21 PM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: Blue Ink
No roof and no walls. It’s an outdoor space...

Yes, well, that might work in an area with LA's weather but I am not convinced many would have shopped there if LA had had the weather they had in the NE and midwest this winter.

34 posted on 03/20/2014 5:47:44 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: Blue Ink
No roof and no walls. It’s an outdoor space...

Yes, well, that might work in an area with LA's weather but I am not convinced many would have shopped there if LA had had the weather they had in the NE and midwest this winter.

35 posted on 03/20/2014 5:48:19 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: crazycatlady

An additional factor in downtown store closings was lack of parking.


36 posted on 03/20/2014 5:48:56 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: chronicles

I went to Crestwood mall starting in the early 60”s. In the late 60”s early 70’s it was the place to shop in southwest ST. Louis county. However it does not lie near an Interstate. It’s on Watson Rd. (old route 66) so people by-passed it and went to Chesterfield mall, or north to Manchester Mall off 270. In it’s day it was bigger and better then South County Mall. I was there a lot.


37 posted on 03/20/2014 5:49:37 PM PDT by MCF
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To: Blue Ink; martin_fierro

The San Antonio Center in Mountain View, CA, used to be an outdoor mall. It wasn’t as cozy as what you described, but there it was.

I was down there a month ago, and the place has changed a lot just in the last few years. Lots of (overpriced) apartments going up where retail space used to be.


38 posted on 03/20/2014 5:54:27 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: DallasBiff

Wow! I remember going to this mall in the 1980s and 1990s. I am surprised it has collapsed given that there are far worse areas of the St. Louis metro.


39 posted on 03/20/2014 5:57:58 PM PDT by writmeister
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To: MCF
Hello,

Me too, Crestwood was my Mall of choice since the mid-80’s. I work now about 1 mile away (also on Watson Road) and it is the pits to have watched its decline. It got smaller and smaller (re: the # of stores) and then, empty. Barricades are at the at the entrances. It is depressing. The City of Crestwood (and to a lesser extent) Sunset Hills, have been hit hard by the death of the Mall, and many other local businesses have gone under or have moved due to reduced traffic. Starting a week or so ago, there are signs that say Real estate Auction on the property.....

MOgirl

40 posted on 03/20/2014 6:41:50 PM PDT by MOgirl (STAND)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I know something about Landover (it was a bit too far for regular shopping), more about PG Plaza. The selection at PG was always a bit out there. We used to joke it was for people with no taste. I lived in Montgomery Cty and preferred Wheaton and Montgomery Malls.

I get sad over dead malls. I think about kids with their first jobs, parents buying birthday presents, a nervous guy getting an engagement ring at Jareds, teens meeting in the food court for cheap dates. It’s all very sad. The mall is more than stores; it is a community in many ways.

For those interested in this kind of thing, see http://deadmalls.com/.


41 posted on 03/20/2014 6:44:41 PM PDT by radiohead
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To: Dilbert San Diego

yeah, yeah, it was the owners’ fault for not having enough security. They moan that businesses move away from their communities, or won’t come to their communities, but no one seems to want to take responsibility for their own feral youts and the destruction they wreak.


42 posted on 03/20/2014 6:46:41 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: DallasBiff

Of course, people say it’s because it “wasn’t close to a highway.” People who actually live here and shopped there know the truth...

Just like Jamestown Mall and Northwest Plaza, and how St. Louis Mills is headed downhill. Just like Bannister Mall and Blue Ridge Mall in Kansas City. All of them have something in common...but none dare say it.


43 posted on 03/20/2014 6:48:06 PM PDT by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked..." - BHO)
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To: EDINVA

You said it well. That’s the point I was trying to make, and you said it better than I did. The black community in that area bemoaned the lack of security at that mall, and charged that the owners of the mall let it go downhill. The black community never addressed the fact that their own youth were the ones who drove away decent people, and caused businesses to fail there.

The black community lamented the lack of security there, but never addressed why such high security was needed in the first place.


44 posted on 03/20/2014 6:52:01 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (as)
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To: Robwin

But cities all over the northeast and midwest still manage to support golf courses, at least from March till October. I think only outdoor malls can save traditional retailing.


45 posted on 03/20/2014 7:28:14 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: chronicles
Now Crestwood will be a “Lifestyle Center”, like Northwest Plaza. What, exactly, is that?

It's like a mall with all the stores crammed together in a cluster. So tightly, you can't park anywhere close to your target shopping venue. You'll either A)park 1/4 mile away or B)go elsewhere.

I choose B.

46 posted on 03/20/2014 7:42:10 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (I am not cynical. /s)
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To: Disambiguator; Blue Ink; nickcarraway

I'll catch you guys here, kitty-corner from all that craziness.

47 posted on 03/20/2014 7:44:16 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Blue Ink
But cities all over the northeast and midwest still manage to support golf courses, at least from March till October.

Everyone knows golfers in northern cities are nuts out there in snow flurries and cold rain and fog.

Your average shopper won't pursue his/her hobby in the same conditions. Especially critical to store success is the pre-Christmas season which often is crappy weather.

LA and Phoenix and Honolulu are special cases of U.S. retail.

48 posted on 03/20/2014 7:51:12 PM PDT by steve86 (to the nearest on-shore cell tower or repeater).)
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To: DallasBiff

Bannister mall, metro north mall, Indian Springs mall, now metcalf south mall all dying or dead malls. Don’t forget Antioch mall . All in the pass history column in Kansas City.


49 posted on 03/20/2014 8:33:26 PM PDT by ncfool (Taking back America 2016.)
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To: Professional Engineer

The great Northwest... Nothing but rubble these days.
Northwest Plaza.


50 posted on 03/20/2014 8:34:54 PM PDT by ncfool (Taking back America 2016.)
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