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Posted on 03/20/2014 6:12:45 PM PDT by Nachum
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You forgot the SARCASM tag.
How many conversations DID Obama have with Lincoln?
Obama only knows Lincoln by watching some old Geico ads.
Actually, yes he did. Unless you are trying to parse the part about it being his idea. But deportation was something he was looking at.
The Great Emancipator was almost the Great Colonizer: Newly released documents show that to a greater degree than historians had previously known, President Lincoln laid the groundwork to ship freed slaves overseas to help prevent racial strife in the U.S.
Just after he issued the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863, Lincoln authorized plans to pursue a freedmens settlement in present-day Belize and another in Guyana, both colonial possessions of Great Britain at the time, said Phillip W. Magness, one of the researchers who uncovered the new documents.
Historians have debated how seriously Lincoln took colonization efforts, but Mr. Magness said the story he uncovered, to be published next week in a book, Colonization After Emancipation: Lincoln and the Movement for Black Resettlement, shows the president didnt just flirt with the idea, as historians had previously known, but that he personally pursued it for some time.
And of course there is this:
My declarations upon this subject of negro slavery may be misrepresented, but can not be misunderstood. I have said that I do not understand the Declaration (of Independence) to mean that all men were created equal in all respects. Debating with Sen. Stephen Douglas, Lincoln said, I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes nor of qualifying them to hold office nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races, which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.
And just for the fun of it, from Front Page Magazine:
Lincoln did articulate a view of secession that would have been welcomed in 1776: Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government and form a new one that suits them better. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can may revolutionize and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit. But that was Lincolns 1848 speech in the U.S. House of Representatives regarding the war with Mexico and the secession of Texas.
Why didnt Lincoln feel the same about Southern secession? Following the money might help with an answer. Throughout most of our history, the only sources of federal revenue were excise taxes and tariffs. During the 1850s, tariffs amounted to 90 percent of federal revenue. Southern ports paid 75 percent of tariffs in 1859. What responsible politician would let that much revenue go?
I know you were trying for a grand and glorious gotcha but you fell short (again).
Thanks for the link to that book. I’ll look for it when it comes out. But I doubt that it will show anything new. Lincoln’s views on blacks were mainstream American for his time. Most people regretted ever introducing them onto our continent and were uncomfortable having them around. And his views on slavery were mainstream-northern - he favored the elimination of slavery and for blacks to just go away. There’s nothing unusual in any of that. That was the general sense of the times.
Unless you were a southern slaver that is. In that case you had no use for the darkies as humans but they made great pack mules. You owed your prosperity to their exploitation and weren’t about to allow anyone to futz with your investment.
Yes, it is true that Lincoln contemplated what to do with blacks in the eventuality of the elimination of the Particular Institution, and he explored to possibility of voluntary emigration. And you’re right in that it wasn’t an original idea but rather one that he read contemplated by Thomas Jefferson - only in Jefferson’s case it DID involve (involuntary) deportation.
Also, I see more than a few Lost Cause Losers toss off Lincoln’s quote regarding the right to revolution and, sure enough, you fail to understand its import.
Lincoln believed in the God-gifted right of self-determination. He understood (infinitely better than you) the process of soap box, ballot box, and ammo box. He knew that there must be a reservation for the pursuit of revolution - that it had to be for a moral purpose and by moral men. The southron slavers fit none of that description. Their motives were unjust, unholy, and depraved. Their methods were similarly contemptible. They exercised their right of revolution for a lost cause and mewling about tariffs or mis-applied “states rights” will never change that.
Lordy! A simple, “you’re right” would have sufficed. You said NOTHING that supported your original statement or corrected mine.
Nacham said: Origninally, Lincoln floated the idea of simply deporting all the slaves.
You said: Actually no he didnt.
I just documented that, indeed, he did.
End of discussion. Just for once in your pathetic, misguided life admit you are completely and utterly WRONG. I don’t now if would help recover any credibility, but it would at least demonstrate a little character.
BTW...the book came out in 2011. No need to wait.
This is the only Lincoln that Obama knows-
Lol, yep he would’ve turned the greatest speech in American history, one dedicated only to lofty ideas, into the worst, one that was only about him. Unbelievable how far we’ve fallen as a nation. He’s so damned unqualified for the job, I can’t imagine he would ever have been made chief of the most destitute, most ignorant tribe in Africa. Not in a million years. Yet he was able to come here and become president.
In November 1863, Lincoln attended a performance of a play which featured John Wilkes Booth, and liked his acting so well he invited him to the White House for dinner. Booth did not accept the invitation.
No evidence! There’s a whole book on the EVIDENCE. LOL! Putting your hands over your ears and going “neenerneenerneener” does NOT make this evidence false.
So, I guess until you can proved that the documents discovered in the UK NATIONAL ARCHIVES are fake, I’m right and your are a fool.
But we already knew that.
However, according to evidence from the British legation in Washington that has turned up at the National Archives in Kew, the president was deadly serious about black colonisation right up until his assassination in 1865.
Mr Magness and Mr Page say that just after Lincoln announced the freedom of three quarters of Americas four million slaves with his historic 1863 Emancipation Proclamation, he authorised plans to set up freedmens settlements in what is now Belize and Guyana.
And even as black soldiers were dying for the Union cause and a mission to send 453 freed slaves to colonise a pest-ridden island off Haiti met with a disastrous small pox outbreak, Mr Lincoln was secretly authorising British officials to recruit what could have been hundreds of thousands of blacks for a new life on the sugar and cotton plantations of Central America.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1356078/Abraham-Lincoln-tried-deport-slaves-British-colonies.html#ixzz2wcbDZbKt
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I’m surprised you didn’t mention the VOLUNTARY repatriation of blacks to Liberia, which has become one of the the most vicious shitholes in the world. I know. I was there until my “job” was done.
Apparently you’re no more familiar with common english than that skewed dailymail piece. Are you at all familiar with the difference between the word “recruit” and the word “compel” or the word “draft”? How about “deport” vs. “emigrate”? And of course you know the difference between “colonisation” and “expulsion”, right?
Words have meaning (in case you hadn’t noticed). You’ve FAILED to provide any evidence. What you’ve showed thus far is OPINION. Try again.
Let’s see...blahblahblah....no facts...no rebuttal...liberal “source isn’t ‘real’ journalism so the fact that document exist is irrelevant moronic” argument.
Yup. Still the fool.
Come back when you can demonstrate the documents don’t say what they say. They’re actually on line.
I’ll not hold my breath.
Ahhh....another day. Another victory over the Southernphobes.
I never heard you refer to yourself as a “Southernphobe” is it painful? LOL
Maybe shining Lincoln’s shoes but most likely licking them.
Wait a damn minute, there was no electricity in Lincoln’s time so all those teleprompters were useless.
Huh? Oh, never mind, my mistake. Electricity existed then but there were no damn wires.