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The poor neglected gifted child
The Boston Globe ^ | March 16, 2014 | By Amy Crawford

Posted on 03/20/2014 8:33:23 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister

In a recent paper, Lubinski and his colleagues caught up with one cohort of 320 people now in their late 30s. At 12, their SAT math or verbal scores had placed them among the top one-100th of 1 percent. Today, many are CEOs, professors at top research universities, transplant surgeons, and successful novelists.

That outcome sounds like exactly what you’d imagine should happen: Top young people grow into high-achieving adults. In the education world, the study has provided important new evidence that it really is possible to identify the kids who are likely to become exceptional achievers in the future, something previous research has not always found to be the case. But for that reason, perhaps surprisingly, it has also triggered a new round of worry.

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1 posted on 03/20/2014 8:33:23 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister
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To: CorporateStepsister

Ender’s Game ??


2 posted on 03/20/2014 8:35:44 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: CorporateStepsister
Longitudinal study by Lewis Terman begun in the thirties showed this very outcome."Terman's gifted children" grew up to be effective and successful adults, in all domains of life. It is shameful that this derivative study, a mere replication of previous pioneers, does not give due credit to the originals.
3 posted on 03/20/2014 8:38:59 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: CorporateStepsister
"the study has provided important new evidence that it really is possible to identify the kids who are likely to become exceptional achievers in the future"

Then they need to left free to excel.

4 posted on 03/20/2014 8:46:39 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: CorporateStepsister

One of the most important parts of the article: “...Vanderbilt researchers have previously found that those who weren’t challenged in school were less likely to live up to the potential indicated by their test scores. Other research has shown that under-stimulated gifted students quickly become bored and frustrated—especially if they come from low-income families that are not equipped to provide them with enrichment outside of school.”

There’s very little if any convincing evidence that throwing more education at underachieving students helps in any real fashion, but there’s ample evidence that not challenging gifted youth robs the future of valuable, productive, capable and trend-setting individuals.

Yet our society has become so obsessed with the siren-song of “equal outcomes” that we seek to achieve it by brushing the capable under the rug and spending like mad on the incapable.

Instead I would like to point out that all of society, rich and poor, gifted and disabled, benefits when the best and brightest are encouraged to reach for the sky and given every possible assistance along the way. The wealth and groundbreaking advances that can be generated by one brilliant mind can result in more benefit to society than any amount of midnight basketball and “English as a second language” classes.

Today’s gifted children, ignored by our schools and treated with disdain and disgust by liberal elites, could be our future Newtons and Galileos. We’re throwing away the future because we refuse to encourage the more-able to do everything they can with their God-Given Gifts.


5 posted on 03/20/2014 8:53:38 PM PDT by jameslalor
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To: CorporateStepsister
Today, many are CEOs, professors at top research universities, transplant surgeons, and successful novelists.

That outcome sounds like exactly what you’d imagine should happen: Top young people grow into high-achieving adults.

This is sleight of hand. Do you see it? There's a missing word word in the second part.

6 posted on 03/20/2014 8:55:59 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Liberty Wins

Ping


7 posted on 03/20/2014 8:56:05 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: hinckley buzzard
+1. It's like excellence is not PC. Not egalitarian. Not just.

“THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren’t only equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General. — Kurt Vonnegut (1961)

8 posted on 03/20/2014 8:59:32 PM PDT by Captain Compassion
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To: Paladin2

“You didn’t do that” — Thief in Chief (liberty, money, whatever)


9 posted on 03/20/2014 9:00:21 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: dr_lew
There's a missing word word in the second part.

I hate it when that happens!

10 posted on 03/20/2014 9:00:39 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Still Thinking
Let's just say that I went around the Edumentical structure of the day.

Performed like a trained seal as required, but did my own thing when ever off the RADAR.

The Librarian was on my side...

11 posted on 03/20/2014 9:06:57 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: CorporateStepsister

Education Marxists are trying to rediscover the wheel. They’re straining to find the proper verbiage to excuse their present dumb-down ethos that they have enforced in the schools, whle feebly searching for a course correction.


12 posted on 03/20/2014 9:10:30 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (The less a man knows, the more certain he is that he knows it all.)
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To: dr_lew
There's a missing word word in the second part.

Animal, vegetable, mineral -- or color?

13 posted on 03/20/2014 9:13:23 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (The less a man knows, the more certain he is that he knows it all.)
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To: CorporateStepsister

I was in a nominal gifted program (what little our district offered and only briefly) and have stayed in the area. Only a couple of the “gifted” kids have been more than moderately successful. Some dropped out, some never heard from again. Some are lonely and bitter from life kicking them in the teeth too much. We do a rotten job of providing opportunities for gifted kids/adults. I have gifted daughters, and I see the same mistakes now. The state assures free tuition for the poor, for illegals, but not the academically talented. This is a crime to humanity.


14 posted on 03/20/2014 9:16:14 PM PDT by conservative cat
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To: conservative cat

I wonder what will happen if gifted minds start going to different countries that give them full scope for their intelligence.


15 posted on 03/20/2014 9:19:47 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: CorporateStepsister

education bump for later........


16 posted on 03/20/2014 9:22:55 PM PDT by indthkr
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To: jameslalor

One thing I am certain of is that sooner or later, countries will start recruiting the gifted and will put their brilliant minds to their own use, for good or for evil will depend on the choices of the gifted kid and then of course, the country that has recruited them.

The whole concept of equal outcomes is centered around not hurting the feelings of people who have made all the wrong choices in life/society. The girl who ruts like an animal in heat is certainly not as good as the girl who stays chaste and reads instead of ruts. Yet, the rutting girl isn’t supposed to be made to feel bad about her life and bad about her choices. So we tear own the girl who reads to the level of the rutting whore.


17 posted on 03/20/2014 9:25:57 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Paladin2

You sound like me.


18 posted on 03/20/2014 9:26:11 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: CorporateStepsister

“I wonder what will happen if gifted minds start going to different countries that give them full scope for their intelligence.”

Sadly, such a brain-draining out-migration would be a more beneficial solution than what our educators would have - namely letting the gifted rot away in obscurity while all educational resources and opportunities are directed towards “addressing inequality”.

At least in another nation the gifted could be getting the necessary preparation and relevant tools to succeed to their fullest potential. That’s better than thinking of all of the medical advances, technological breakthroughs, and revolutionary advances that humanity might have lost by trying to wish away the gifted.

Once-upon a time this country beckoned the world’s brightest and most driven individuals to our shores, today not so much. If you’re not here to collect welfare and vote democrat, or you’re not H1B visa slaves willing to work for third-world wages for a tech giant that hasn’t figured a way to outsource some jobs yet, then we don’t want your kind around.


19 posted on 03/20/2014 9:30:48 PM PDT by jameslalor
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To: jameslalor

Our school systems are based on ‘Harrison Bergeron’.

Unsurprisingly we get mediocre results.


20 posted on 03/20/2014 9:31:58 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: jameslalor

This is not new, as much as most folks today want to believe all the worlds problems are the result of the last election.

The smartest kids, without social skills that match their intellectual capacity, have been ignored, made fun of or beat up since the beginning of time.

Most survive, some fail, but a significant number cause all kinds of trouble :)


21 posted on 03/20/2014 9:33:36 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: jameslalor

The only reason this country wants the smart and intelligent is so that way they will be there to carry the lazy leeching carcasses that oddly get all the breaks in this nation. I do think that this is what will likely happen since you can only send the message that someone is unwanted until they walk away, leaving this country bereft of any chance of advancing.

The US will lose everything and I am certain that in the end, no one will care, least of all the formerly rejected.


22 posted on 03/20/2014 9:33:36 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: montanajoe

Yes, it’s always about social skills in this increasingly sorry excuse of a country.


23 posted on 03/20/2014 9:34:12 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: CorporateStepsister

Agreed, on all points.

I would like to point out that China has no qualms about utilizing her intellectual resources. Given the focus of some Chinese genetic research into neurological development, and given America’s propensity to ignore the same, I have some serious misgivings about the coming century.


24 posted on 03/20/2014 9:37:43 PM PDT by jameslalor
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To: jameslalor

In the Fifties, the Chinese were educating women and moving them into the arts, sciences, anywhere they had talent. In the US women were expected to marry and have kids whether they really wanted it or not.

I can only think that the intelligent are going to go to the Asian countries and end up contributing heavily while the rest of Eastern Europe works to recruit them as well. Russia will work hard at getting our best and as usual, our country will ignore the entire development and then wonder why Russia and China are now jointly dictating world policy, with the US obeying.


25 posted on 03/20/2014 9:40:56 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Albion Wilde

Number! categorically that is. The word is “many”.

Many gifted are successful, so the lesson is clear, the gifted succeed.

This is the faulty syllogism.


26 posted on 03/20/2014 9:46:40 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: conservative cat

“I have gifted daughters, and I see the same mistakes now. The state assures free tuition for the poor, for illegals, but not the academically talented. This is a crime to humanity.”

Agreed, it is indeed a crime against humanity. It hurts me to think that what could be tomorrow’s visionaries and pioneers are being so ill-served by our nation.


27 posted on 03/20/2014 9:47:14 PM PDT by jameslalor
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To: CorporateStepsister

Gifted kids have been neglected, ignored and discriminated against by our educational system ever since the hey-day of John Dewey, who realized he could only achieve his dream of a socialist America with a dumbed-down populace who couldn’t read.


28 posted on 03/20/2014 9:50:40 PM PDT by Liberty Wins ( The average lefty is synapse challenged)
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To: CorporateStepsister

‘gifted’ children may or may not have higher IQs. What they definitely have is a determination (for whatever reason) to work hard and achieve what their class mates cannot or will not. This is true for adults who are hard working driven people. the truth is they will succeed inspire of their surroundings not because of them.

Unfortunately, the lefties and commies want you to think that the government can make all of this equal


29 posted on 03/20/2014 9:53:45 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: dr_lew

My guess is you are referring to the word “many” but not all

Success also hits many people all across the spectrum


30 posted on 03/20/2014 9:53:53 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Liberty Wins

I taught myself how to read when I was four. Not saying I was “gifted”, but I was read to a lot, and decided to learn how to read on my own.

I was sent to first grade, kicking and screaming, at age 6. Because I already knew how to read, the teacher didn’t know what to do with me, so I spent the entire year bored out of my mind and viewed school as a combination torture chamber and penitentiary. She’d hand out reading books every couple months, I’d sit there and read it in a few minutes, and that was it.

It still gives me the major creeps to even remember that. I hated every day of my entire school career. They did let me skip 2nd grade but that didn’t help. I felt liberated the day I got kicked out in 11th grade.


31 posted on 03/20/2014 9:54:51 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: dr_lew

Im just now seeing your answer and I was right.....

Some brilliantly gifted people also turn out not so good some times


32 posted on 03/20/2014 9:56:09 PM PDT by woofie
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To: CorporateStepsister

I refer you to Atlas Shrugged...


33 posted on 03/20/2014 9:58:34 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: CorporateStepsister

In China they were also forcing women to have abortions and limiting them to one child.

In the US for the last couple of decades, women have been force fed the feminist crap that “a woman needs a husband like a fish needs a bicycle” and encouraged - nay, pressured - to forego marriage and childbearing (if at all) until the 30s, and by that time they’ve gone through so many “relationships” or just plain “hooking up” that they can’t even find a husband.

Your pleasant sound fantasy is merely a fantasy.

So your conclusion appears to be that if women are “encouraged” to make it in the professions instead of marrying and raising a family, the world will be a better place. You are ignoring that this is precisely what women in the US have been taught for two generations. And the result is not pretty.

Are you new here, or a retread? Just wondering


34 posted on 03/20/2014 9:59:52 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Albion Wilde; dr_lew
I think the word is can; by omitting it they let you supply/infer 'will'.
35 posted on 03/20/2014 10:00:44 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: little jeremiah

I just think we’re making a huge mistake and I’m not a feminist. I don’t hate men. This isn’t about feminism, but building and maintaining a successful country. We’re losing our finest minds because the gifted are not socially adept and for some reason, being socially adept is a requirement for success.


36 posted on 03/20/2014 10:04:32 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Liberty Wins

Yes they have.

Now we’re feeling the effects, but we won’t feel the reality of it until we realize that Russia and China will be telling us what to do from here on out.


37 posted on 03/20/2014 10:06:17 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: woofie

It’s a matter of choice really.


38 posted on 03/20/2014 10:08:11 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: CorporateStepsister

I just read some of your other comments and realize I was way too harsh...and I apologize. I think we agree much more than we disagree.


39 posted on 03/20/2014 10:08:12 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: CorporateStepsister
I can only think that the intelligent are going to go to the Asian countries and end up contributing heavily while the rest of Eastern Europe works to recruit them as well.

Not wanting to give any particulars, I can only say in consideration of my own experience, let's not sell ourselves short!

40 posted on 03/20/2014 10:11:04 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: little jeremiah

I was also reading before I reported for kindergarten, which was a boring waste of time for me. There were no special classes and my elementary school teachers were either too lazy or too unprepared to deal with a gifted child. I raced ahead of the other kids in class projects and got bored. So I spent a lot of time out in the hall. That’s what they knew what to do with a gifted child who was bored and therefore not conforming to “hands on desk, sitting still” mode. Put them out into the hall. There were no enrichment classes or honors classes available until high school. Today, I would certainly have been earning college credits while still in high school, but they did not have those programs around in the sleepy Midwestern town where I grew up.


41 posted on 03/20/2014 10:12:18 PM PDT by EinNYC
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They didn’t have kindergarten for every kid when I was growing up in the 50s.

I am entirely self taught, as far as it goes... according to regular standards, I am a failure, as I am very poor. But I don’t feel poor as I have many varied interests which I avidly follow and have taught myself many things from herbalism to various musical instruments to writing many poems and have more plans and ideas than I can do in my remaining years. I’ve only had a tv 2 years in my adult life and never watch movies. Too boring, and life’s too short.

I do spend too much time reading news on the internet, though, I need to fix that!


42 posted on 03/20/2014 10:17:44 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: woofie

As I recall from one of the original surveys of this kind, one of the subjects took a downward arc, and ended as a recluse obsessed with his collection of subway tokens.


43 posted on 03/20/2014 10:23:29 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: jameslalor; montanajoe
Today’s gifted children, ignored by our schools and treated with disdain and disgust by liberal elites, could be our future Newtons and Galileos. We’re throwing away the future because we refuse to encourage the more-able to do everything they can with their God-Given Gifts.

I wholeheartedly believe that in these last days, God has a particular purpose for those who are gifted yet have been shut out by the world.

Who knows how many of them are out there. Bored and unchallenged from birth, with unmet potential. Perhaps wired from their school experiences to be slack and unproductive, simply because their intellect and gifts were never realized much less encouraged or engaged.

God Himself is going to harness this untapped resource to fight the forces of Amalek (read: Obama). Finally challenged and tasked with a *God-given* righteous purpose, these "misfits" will rise to the occasion. God bless and keep them.

Obama and his malevolent hordes have no idea what kind of army they will face. FUBO.

The scene in Addams Family Values, when the lowly camp "rejects" burn the village to the ground, is a good window into the future. Nice touch with the Jewish kid. ;-)

44 posted on 03/20/2014 10:25:34 PM PDT by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: little jeremiah
I do spend too much time reading news on the internet, though, I need to fix that!

Try switching off to video games ... just go light on the energy drinks !

45 posted on 03/20/2014 10:29:59 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: conservative cat

I have known several brilliant people who have chosen very normal lives. Intelligence isn’t the only indicator of exceptional success.


46 posted on 03/20/2014 10:32:51 PM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: CorporateStepsister

Yeah. I grew up in a lower middle income household with parents who did not expect too much and didn’t really push me to excell at anything, God bless them. They didn’t come from that kind of stock either. Neither one went to college. Couple that with being socially awkward (very shy possible aspergers) and having hormonal problems that caused some cosmetic issues. I didn’t have a very happy childhood. Always picked last for gym teams, unless it was my best friend choosing. Got snickered at by boys, looked down the nose at by girls, or they wanted to beat me up for some/no reason. I always wondered what I could have gone on to acheive with a better environment. I think a lot of people do:)


47 posted on 03/20/2014 10:50:01 PM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: little jeremiah

Thank you; I just want the US to stop promoting ignorance in women, as if being scientific is something to be ashamed of. Even the Russians had female snipers during WWII. I just wish the US would utilize the scientific half of our country more, in women. We need to value and appreciate the need for our finest minds to be tapped and nurtured.


48 posted on 03/20/2014 11:13:33 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: kelly4c

It’s all about the environment and really, I believe that you in some ways described my life in a nutshell. Minus physical attacks, my daily crucifixion was when I had to go to Interior Design class.


49 posted on 03/20/2014 11:15:02 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: dr_lew

The unabomber was a bright lad


50 posted on 03/20/2014 11:30:40 PM PDT by woofie
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