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Ukraine Sets Deadline for Militias to Surrender Illegal Guns
NYT ^ | March 20, 2014 | By ANDREW E. KRAMER

Posted on 03/20/2014 10:37:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: Nachum

I’m sure Tuvia was/is a nice fella. And his heart’s in the right place. But he could have done a better job finishing that thot: “ Without a rifle, shotgun, pistol, revolver and all the other weaponry you can get your hands on, and the willingness to use it in defense of yourself, family, property, neighborhood, you are a waste of space and-——the rest”

If the Ukes show some stiff spine Pootin will fold his tent and try something else later. With the absense of gun muzzles pointing at his “exercizers” he’ll think he has a free hand.


101 posted on 03/21/2014 12:56:37 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Rockhound
"Городским лесопарком хрустальные люстры" Its roughly the same thing...Lots of consonants... Molon Labe doesn't make the trip...But the English translation to a Slavic language works a little better... "Come and take them!"
102 posted on 03/21/2014 1:23:59 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Alberta's Child

“The people driving this are not interested in freedom, liberty, and American values.”

LOL ! They are doing this to take “we have to step in or these groups of armed fascists will start killing ethnic Russians” card out of Russian hand. Besides, the right to bear arms is largely American concept these days, which majority of other nations (including majority of allies, such as Israel) do not follow.


103 posted on 03/21/2014 3:25:33 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

FSB or useful idiot ?


104 posted on 03/21/2014 3:29:37 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

I would go with idiot, without a modifier.


105 posted on 03/21/2014 4:22:58 PM PDT by Agog
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To: Grzegorz 246
I hate to break this to you, but even most so-called American "conservatives" who are clamoring for U.S. intervention in Ukraine are rabidly opposed to the Second Amendment right here in the U.S.

Go back and do some research on Charles Krauthammer's opinions on the subject. That guy doesn't have American values at all. He's a big-government globalist who is more interested in building an empire than promoting anything remotely resembling American values.

106 posted on 03/21/2014 5:18:27 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: jimjohn; Lazamataz

Hunting long firearms for anyone — that is what gun control looks like. Notice: no automatic anything, and no handguns.

There is a huge movement in RF to allow them handguns, because you cannot walk around with a shotgun to protect yourself.

At this point there is no going back for Ukraine, excepting possibly Crimea and South East. They are a proud nation that has been invaded. They will fight with sticks if they have to. They won’t be bought for anything. I think they made a decision about EU; they are not crazy about EU bureaucratic liberalism, but they’d rather have that than neo-sovietism of RF.


107 posted on 03/21/2014 6:00:56 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Navy Patriot; Lazamataz; Alberta's Child
Lazamataz posted the actual gun control laws of RF here. Can you read? My statement "no legal private gun ownership in the Russian Federation at all, except for hunters or BB guns" is exactly correct.
108 posted on 03/21/2014 6:04:08 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Jim Robinson

This sounds like something Obama would do.


109 posted on 03/21/2014 6:34:31 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Jim Robinson

It could be that the EU is going to give Ukraine to Russia anyway and that they didn’t like Maidan. Russia will then give gas at a lower rate to Europe (in exchange for bailing out Ukraine’s IMF loans, which was the original proposal accepted by Yakunivich). Win win for both sides. Russia gets Ukraine as a puppet state, Western Europe gets gas (and rid of an unreliable country which they don’t want to babysit anyway), and the Ukrainians, Poles, and Lat/lith/Estonians get the shaft.

Now, if the EU is going to cede Ukraine to Russia, they will not want Right Sector, Swoboda, and other groups causing trouble for the Russian occupiers and the new Puppet state.

In the end this will happen. Ukraine will not be free, and will end up in the clutches of Russia again. And it will be mostly because of the EU and IMF needing the money and energy.


110 posted on 03/21/2014 7:30:51 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: annalex

~Lazamataz posted the actual gun control laws of RF here. Can you read? My statement “no legal private gun ownership in the Russian Federation at all, except for hunters or BB guns” is exactly correct.~

Not to the point like it is in NYC. You won’t ever hear a story about someone getting jailed for years for a gun in your luggage there.
There are numerous loopholes in their legislation allowing you to carry a handgun openly. And in the south with their muslin problem KGB distributes military grade assault rifles to local populace who props border agents in fending off illegal aliens and deal with domestic mohamedans. Almost everyone has an AK there and police is overlooking it.
Penalties for gun-related violations are a joke in the rest of the country as well. Technically there is up to 8 years in prison for illegal arms trade (much less for possession) but you would have to trade a nuke or a dozen of tanks to get real term.


111 posted on 03/21/2014 7:56:21 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: annalex

Do more research. The Ukraine, more than any other post Soviet satellite, ARE neo Communists and that is mainly why they are financially in the huge mess that they are in.
They never did shed most of those ways, like say, Russia did.


112 posted on 03/22/2014 5:55:42 AM PDT by bill1952 (taxes don't hurt the rich, they keep YOU from becoming rich.)
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To: wetphoenix
Not to the point like it is in NYC

I never compared anything about NYC.

numerous loopholes in their legislation

My comment was on what is the legislation, not what loopholes exist contrary to it.

113 posted on 03/22/2014 10:29:10 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: bill1952

You do research. Ukraine had an anti-communist revolution last February. Russia is suppressing it. That is the difference between these two countries.


114 posted on 03/22/2014 10:30:23 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Jim Robinson

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

Without that militia, that government would not be in power.

What a clear warning to the militias that they NEED to hang on to their guns.


115 posted on 03/22/2014 6:08:06 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Lazamataz

“There’s no good guys in this, but Russia is, at the very minimum, behaving like a sane country.”

Invading Ukraine is sane ? wow


116 posted on 03/22/2014 6:15:39 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Lectio Divina...Adoration...Mass)
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To: Jim Robinson

The Ukranians need to send an assassin to Moscow.
I am sure there are plenty of KGB trained snipers from the Ukraine. Many combat veterans that learned the way of war in Afghanistan.

One bullet and all this goes away.

But I have not seen any fighting. No burning of Russian Flags. No stoning Russian Embassies. None of this in Ukraine or Europe or the USA. I am tired of going to other countries and protecting them when they themselves won’t.

Ah hell, who am I kidding. The europeons getting in a war with Russia over the Ukraine. NOT.


117 posted on 03/23/2014 9:11:11 AM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Jim Robinson

It’s very convenient for the Ukrainian government to help Putin like this.


118 posted on 03/23/2014 10:25:26 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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