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GOP primary voters wont buy what the far right is peddling by Jennifer Rubin "Right Turn"
Washington Post ^ | March 20, 2014 | Jennifer Rubin

Posted on 03/21/2014 10:45:31 AM PDT by Innovative

Why are all these challengers bombing? A better question is, why did the D.C.-based right-wing groups and politicians like Rand Paul think these people were credible candidates? Perhaps it is the self-appointed protectors of conservative orthodoxy who are badly out of touch and entirely incompetent in vetting candidates. The good news for the GOP: Nearly all of these flaky figures will wipe out before the general election. They must do so if the GOP is to hold or grow the House majority and take back the Senate.

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Before you have a knee-jerk reaction -- which is what I had when I first saw the title and read the article -- I recommend reading the entire article, take a second look and stop and think.

I think the problem is not "the far right" and this is the point the author is trying to make -- the problem is that some take advantage, questionable candidates declare themselves "conservatives" and run under that guise, when in fact they are flakes.

While obviously there are many terrific conservative candidates, conservatives need to be more selective before lining up behind someone, just because they declare themselves conservative.

1 posted on 03/21/2014 10:45:31 AM PDT by Innovative
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To: Innovative

Jennifer Rubin has been, is, and will be(more than likely) forever a shill for the GOP-E.

Anything she writes should be read in the context that she is a GOP-E Trojan Horse and is propped up by the Washington Post as their type of “conservative”.


2 posted on 03/21/2014 10:48:19 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Innovative

Ahhh, another feminazi heard from. They are the gift that keeps on giving, are they not?
WOMAN’S LIB AND ISLAM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0cS4p9cFlo&feature=c4-overview&list=UUFDlhK80EdO28R-iGTXiGaw


3 posted on 03/21/2014 10:51:22 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: Dick Bachert

Jennifer Rubin is a conservative columnist — her articles never have anything to do with feminism.


4 posted on 03/21/2014 10:52:47 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

I read the article and I can safely conclude Rubin is nuts.

She thinks Rand Paul is far right?

Nuts. Bleeping Nuts.


5 posted on 03/21/2014 10:52:49 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Innovative

More pig-ignorant RINO swill.


6 posted on 03/21/2014 10:57:05 AM PDT by darkangel82
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To: Innovative

On the other hand we have had some lulus who have run under the tea party label. Their weakness’s of curse are exagerated by the MSM but that is expected. Now we are having a problem running tea party candidates and getting them nominated because we got burned several times and people who would otherwise support them are afraid to vote for them. We must do a better job of vetting on that score sheis right.


7 posted on 03/21/2014 10:59:11 AM PDT by amnestynone
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To: All

I think people are still missing the author’s message. She is NOT “bashing conservatives”.

Her point is that with so many legitimate, “fool-proof” conservatives around, why aren’t conservatives vetting their candidates better and why are they just supporting anyone who claims to be conservatives, regardless of their past and baggage that makes them unelectable in the general elections.

“Perhaps it is the self-appointed protectors of conservative orthodoxy who are badly out of touch and entirely incompetent in vetting candidates.”


8 posted on 03/21/2014 10:59:34 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: amnestynone

“On the other hand we have had some lulus who have run under the tea party label. Their weaknesses of course are exagerated by the MSM but that is expected. Now we are having a problem running tea party candidates and getting them nominated because we got burned several times and people who would otherwise support them are afraid to vote for them. We must do a better job of vetting on that score sheis right”

Exactly. You do get the point and both Jennifer, you and I are correct. Let’s hope conservatives/ tea party/etc. will wake up and see reality and adjust their strategy.

See my tagline.


9 posted on 03/21/2014 11:01:58 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

Leftists don’t engage is such futile introspection every time a left-wing candidate loses an election, and neither should we.


10 posted on 03/21/2014 11:03:18 AM PDT by eclecticEel ("The petty man forsakes what lies within his power and longs for what lies with Heaven." - Xunzi)
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To: Innovative

“Whacko candidates” deserve to be defeated. It’s sad to see certain prominent conservative figures backing some wackos!

If they start talking about stuff in the water and a conspiracy by “those others” to oppress you by vaccinations ... it’s time to call the white coats — and not back them for some political office!


11 posted on 03/21/2014 11:05:09 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: eclecticEel

The real question is “Do we want to win, or just prefer whining after the elections, when the Dems win?”


12 posted on 03/21/2014 11:05:43 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

Aren’t you were supposed to be fetching towels for Karl Rove and Reince Priebus right now? Are you on a break?


13 posted on 03/21/2014 11:11:11 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Innovative

Because people are deeply disappointed and frustrated with people like Mitch McConnell and don’t know what else to do.
I’m glad that I didnt live in a state like Delaware or wherever Christine O’Donnell was from. I would not have wanted to support Castle but would not have wanted to be a party to getting the Democrat elected(what ended up happening, I think).
Where I live we don’t have this dilemma, because we don’t have Republican senators to begin with, or in the districts I usually live in. Congresspeople. We would probably support any Republican of any type because that would be the only Republican.


14 posted on 03/21/2014 11:11:32 AM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: Innovative

15 posted on 03/21/2014 11:14:53 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Innovative

Democrats don’t spend their time attacking each other; they reserve all their invective for the other party. If we really wanted to win, we’d do the same.


16 posted on 03/21/2014 11:15:43 AM PDT by eclecticEel ("The petty man forsakes what lies within his power and longs for what lies with Heaven." - Xunzi)
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To: Innovative

Burnishing your RINO credentials. Go play over at DU. Compromise is moving futher left. ESAD.


17 posted on 03/21/2014 11:16:21 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Innovative

Cornyn won over a couple of candidates with no money.

Where is the “wipe out” Rubin is referring to? What Tea Party conservatives have lost against major incumbents except for the two penniless ones against Cornyn?

And why does Rubin omit the Tea Party victories at the state level in Texas?

Or the recent victory by Tea Party candidate Wagner against the GOPe backed candidate?

I don’t see any sort of trouncing of conservatives or Tea Party conservatives that Rubin is referring to.

Rubin is blowing hot foul air with no facts.


18 posted on 03/21/2014 11:16:32 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: jimbo123

“Aren’t you were supposed to be fetching towels for Karl Rove and Reince Priebus right now? Are you on a break?”

Because it worked so well for us in 2012? We put up some real doozies for senate in an election we needed to desperately win. Take the senate, then the conservatives can go after impeachment. The GOPe that don’t want to impeach are the ones to go after in 2016.


19 posted on 03/21/2014 11:19:28 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: EQAndyBuzz

The Tea Party won more races than Karl Rove and John Cornyn in 2012. Your hero Karl Rove should refund all the money he stole from the donors to Crossroads GPS and American Crossroads. Your RINO overlords wasted $300 million dollars and had a return on investment of about 1%. Don’t lecture us on electibility, RINO.


20 posted on 03/21/2014 11:26:03 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Innovative
The real question is “Do we want to win, or just prefer whining after the elections, when the Dems win?”

First, there are a lot of people here who prefer the latter. These are the folks that are happy to nominate candidates who are unelectable in a general election, and then use their loss to highlight their belief that we are going to hell in a handbasket.

Second, if there ever was such a thing as an "establishment" hack, Jennifer Rubin is it. She makes a good point now and again, but it is hard to take someone so unimaginative, so lacking in vision, and so wedded to running "moderate" candidates too terribly seriously. I can see why most actual conservatives would be skeptical of anything she writes.

Third, I do agree we need to run good candidates. We should be nominating the most conservative candidates that CAN win. No more Sharon Angles or Christine O'Donnell's please. This is not TEA Party specific. It wasn't the TEA Party that got us that idiot Todd Akin - that was the social conservative, Huckabee wing of the party. Had we nominated the Palin supported TEA Party candidate Sarah Steelman, we would have won that Senate seat. Nor is this an endorsement of only supporting "mainstream" Republican candidates. Plenty of those lost as well where a good solid conservative might have won. The key is nominating the most conservative candidate that CAN actually win a general election. This means the candidate can't have a ton of baggage and skeletons in their closet, the candidate can't have said stupid things about rape, the candidate should have the political skills to actually win general elections (usually that means starting out at the very local level and gaining political skills on the way up to higher office), etc.

21 posted on 03/21/2014 11:28:39 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

How Karl Rove, Inc. wasted conservative donors’ $300 million

Oddly enough, perhaps the biggest loser in last week’s Republican debacle wasn’t even on the ballot. He didn’t shake a single hand, nuzzle the napes of any newborn babes or promise eager voters pie in the sky or peace on Earth. His name was Karl Rove. And all he actually did was squander a staggering $300 million by backing candidates who turned winnable races into laughable routs, producing tepid ads transforming would-be zealots into couch potatoes and firmly establishing himself as the political world’s pre-eminent empty-suit analyst.

Perhaps even worse, he set himself up as the clearinghouse for wealthy conservative donors, hand-picking which candidates and super PACs to support and which to send away empty-handed. He convinced the GOP’s high-dollar donors that he alone was the “almighty architect” — the “Rovitect,” as it were — who could single-handedly end President Obama’s reign.

In so doing, he confirmed, as Bernie Madoff proved, that it is easy to con the wealthy 1 percent out of their fortunes if you claim to be an expert and create your own echo chamber.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2960384/posts


22 posted on 03/21/2014 11:31:41 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: EQAndyBuzz
We put up some real doozies for senate in an election we needed to desperately win.

Yeah, that Tommy Thompson was a doozy of a Tea Party far right radical all right.

23 posted on 03/21/2014 11:33:42 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Washington: "I cannot tell a lie". Obama: "I cannot tell.....I lie")
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To: Innovative; Jim Robinson; TheOldLady; Old Sarge
Actually it's YOU who doesn't get the message. FR is not the place to shill your anti-Tea Party Crap.

Here again is a message to you from the boss....

 

To: Innovative

Ronald Reagan was a great man. Not a surrender monkey like you. KMA!!

21 posted on 02/21/2014 6:23:34 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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24 posted on 03/21/2014 11:35:51 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Innovative

“On the other hand we have had some lulus who have run under the tea party label.”

I do not believe we have ever had any tea party candidate say stuff that rises to the stupidity level of things that Pelosi, Reid, Cummings, Waters, Rangel, Jackson-Lee, etc. routinely say. If the media, democrats and republicans would not attack every Tea Party candidate that made a stupid statement, things would be better. The GOP-E has been responsible for torpedoing as many tea party candidates as the media and the democrats.


25 posted on 03/21/2014 11:45:34 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Innovative

We fight with the army we have, surrender monkeys notwithstanding.


26 posted on 03/21/2014 11:49:20 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

2012 American Crossroads Battleground States Senate Results:

Wisconsin: Tommy Thompson = LOSS
Florida: Connie Mack = LOSS
Virginia: George Allen = LOSS

The Architect = 0 for 3.

Not much of an architect, unless he’s working for the demoncrats.


27 posted on 03/21/2014 11:51:46 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Innovative
Before you have a knee-jerk reaction -- which is what I had when I first saw the title and read the article -- I recommend reading the entire article, take a second look and stop and think.

That's asking an awful lot. It's much more fun to rant.

28 posted on 03/21/2014 11:52:34 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: SoConPubbie

Look into her background. She is a neocon par excellence: a liberal Democrat pretending to be conservative in order to promote open borders and a neocon policy.

It’s infuriating that such a non-conservative, intellectually mediocre hack is given such a high profile, prestigious position in the media to supposedly represent conservatives.


29 posted on 03/21/2014 11:53:50 AM PDT by Monmouth78
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To: Innovative

We need more Ted Cruz candidates and less Sharron Angle candidates. I ahree with GOP-E on the Angle types. What GOP-E doesn’t get is that they have some crappy candidates as well. Tommy Thompson, Pete Hoekstra, and Connie Mack come to mind.


30 posted on 03/21/2014 11:57:33 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: Innovative

Nothing like the leftie post telling me about why I should vote for someone they like


31 posted on 03/21/2014 12:02:16 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Innovative

bleeeech.... she is as conservative as George Will...no thanks very much


32 posted on 03/21/2014 12:03:24 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Darren McCarty

Mourdock got a higher vote % than Mack. And Karl Rove and Reince Priebus went nuts spending money on Mack.


33 posted on 03/21/2014 12:07:13 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Mygirlsmom

“Yeah, that Tommy Thompson was a doozy of a Tea Party far right radical all right.”

I’ll take who is Richard Mourdock for 300 Alex. Or Christine O’Donnel? Hmm.. How about those TEA Party candidates that did win? Marco Rubio. Kelly Ayotte? How are they working out for us?

It works both ways. I don’t want RINO candidates in there any more than anyone here. What I do want is well vetted candidates who can make a difference. Or else we wind up with the Ayotte’s and the Rubio’s of the world.

However to get rid of them, first you need to be in charge. Then you need your constituents to hold you to a conservative standard. And when they don’t you primary them. Just like we are doing to Grahm and McConnell.

I don’t want the establishment. But frankly, with or without the TEA Party the GOP is winning the Senate. The only way the rats are going to hold the senate is if conservatves stay home. We did in 2012 and we got another four years of Obama.

The best way to silence Conservatives, let the rats win. A least if the GOPe wins, voices like Cruz’s will be heard. There is no way in hell that a Republican majority in the senate would silence Cruz.


34 posted on 03/21/2014 12:21:50 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: jimbo123

“The Architect = 0 for 3.”

Which of those states did Romney win?


35 posted on 03/21/2014 12:30:23 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: Innovative
conservatives need to be more selective before lining up behind someone, just because they declare themselves conservative.

And you and yours need to be more selective before lining up behind GOP incumbents and GOPe anointed ones, just because they declare themselves "winnable."

36 posted on 03/21/2014 12:35:18 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: Longbow1969

I think Christine should have agreed to be dunked into the flowing stream from the bridge to end the question of whether or not she was a witch. The election might have shifted in her favor had she agreed to it.


37 posted on 03/21/2014 12:36:21 PM PDT by Mashood
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To: Mashood

The election might have shifted in her favor if the GOP-e had put more energy into pointing out her opponent’s many flaws instead of sending her down the river for the sin of winning the primary.


38 posted on 03/21/2014 12:47:59 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Washington: "I cannot tell a lie". Obama: "I cannot tell.....I lie")
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To: Innovative

They’re peddling fiscal sanity beotch.


39 posted on 03/21/2014 12:48:59 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: Innovative
Jennifer Rubin is a NEOconservative columnist hack.

Fixed it for you.

She is awful. She's like Bill Kristol minus the femininity.

40 posted on 03/21/2014 12:50:05 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (On the wrong side of history.)
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To: Mygirlsmom

Amazing how two-faced the GOPe is! Flippin’ liars. “Duke it out in the primaries, but we all MUST rally around the Repub in the general! Oh... uh... that is, unless a conservatives wins the primary. Then we bring out the long knives!”


41 posted on 03/21/2014 1:02:21 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

O’Donnell got more votes than Robamany. You don’t have the answer and are the PROBLEM. Loser!


42 posted on 03/21/2014 1:03:40 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Innovative
GOP Primary Voters?

Rubin contends that all GOP candidates are Conservative and the most established & anointed ones must be supported. What she misses is that GOP does not always mean Conservative; THAT is the very reason there is a Tea Party! IF the GOP was opposing the Leftists THEN there would be no Tea Party!

To hell with Rubin & the GOP establishment she shills for.

43 posted on 03/21/2014 1:21:31 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: eclecticEel

“Democrats don’t spend their time attacking each other; they reserve all their invective for the other party. If we really wanted to win, we’d do the same.”

Nope. Democrats don’t have a bunch of judases in their ranks who support the other side. That’s why they are so unified. Bad analogy.


44 posted on 03/21/2014 1:35:00 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: Innovative


Let’s hope conservatives/ tea party/etc. will wake up and see reality

rofl
45 posted on 03/21/2014 2:03:53 PM PDT by greedo
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To: EQAndyBuzz

If you mean Todd Akin, NOT the Tea Party candidate; rather the social conservative candidate. Brunner was more the Tea Party guy.


46 posted on 03/21/2014 2:05:12 PM PDT by steve8714
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To: Innovative

The writer makes no mention of the incumbents, wacky, flaky, traitorous, anti-American efforts to oppose the constitution and freedoms of constituents.


47 posted on 03/21/2014 2:16:16 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Jim Robinson; Longbow1969; amnestynone; Star Traveler; eclecticEel; EQAndyBuzz

Sorry, I meant to post the post below on THIS thread, just went back to the Reagan quote thread to get the quote right.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3125698/posts?page=69#69


48 posted on 03/21/2014 2:19:35 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

Problem is that the author, Jenn Rubin, is a liberal pretending to be a Conservative, and really has no idea about what she is talking about, only wishful thinking.


49 posted on 03/21/2014 2:59:13 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: SoConPubbie
Anything she writes should be read in the context that she is a GOP-E Trojan Horse and is propped up by the Washington Post as their type of “conservative”.

I think you get closer to the truth if you see her as Lucrezia Borgia working for the WaPo and the Creatures of the Hive Mind, spoon-feeding Orthenex to real conservatives slowly and attentively, to work the WaPo editors' will on Norman Rockwell's America.

50 posted on 03/21/2014 3:15:36 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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