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School Data Finds Pattern of Inequality Along Racial Lines
New York Times ^ | March 21, 2014 | MOTOKO RICH

Posted on 03/21/2014 12:27:45 PM PDT by reaganaut1

Racial minorities are more likely than white students to be suspended from school, to have less access to rigorous math and science classes, and to be taught by lower-paid teachers with less experience, according to comprehensive data released Friday by the Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights.

In the first analysis in nearly 15 years of information from all of the country’s 97,000 public schools, the Education Department found a pattern of inequality on a number of fronts, with race as the dividing factor.

Black students are suspended and expelled at three times the rate of white students. A quarter of high schools with the highest percentage of black and Latino students do not offer any Algebra II courses, while a third of those schools do not have any chemistry classes. Black students are more than four times as likely as white students — and Latino students are twice as likely — to attend schools where one out of every five teachers does not meet all state teaching requirements.

“Here we are, 60 years after Brown v. Board of Education, and the data altogether still show a picture of gross inequity in educational opportunity,” said Daniel J. Losen, director of the Center for Civil Rights Remedies at the University of California at Los Angeles’s Civil Rights Project.

In his budget request to Congress, President Obama has proposed a new phase of his administration’s Race to the Top competitive grant program, which would give $300 million in incentives to states and districts that put in place programs intended to close some of the educational gaps identified in the data.

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One of the striking statistics to emerge from the data, based on information collected during the 2011-12 academic year, was that even as early as preschool, black students face harsher

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bellcurve; blacks; education; newyork; newyorkcity; newyorkslimes; newyorktimes; race; schooldiscipline; schoolsuspensions
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The only reason blacks could be suspended more than whites is racism. There are lots more white than Asian teachers, and those white teachers are suspending more whites than Asians because they are biased against whites. Boys are no more disruptive than girls, so their higher suspension rates must also reflect bias. The classes that high schools offer have nothing to do with that the students are prepared to study. If there are more inexperienced teachers at mostly minority schools, it has nothing to do with how much respect those students show teachers.

The NYT treats any government report on racial "disparities" as the gospel truth.

1 posted on 03/21/2014 12:27:45 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

Much of this could be true and so what?

How much of it is “self inflicted injury” on part of our honorable black community?

They said it was anathema to act white. Fine, that is their prerogative. The consequences are NOT their prerogative! That has to be taken up with God, not with America!


2 posted on 03/21/2014 12:33:44 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: reaganaut1

What the report doesn’t mention is that the majority of black students are attending schools with black teachers and often black administrators.


3 posted on 03/21/2014 12:34:15 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: reaganaut1
Black students are suspended and expelled at three times the rate of white students.

As they get older, young black men commit homicide at a rate around five times the non-black rate. So?

4 posted on 03/21/2014 12:34:34 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: reaganaut1
Scholastic Achievement = “Acting White”
5 posted on 03/21/2014 12:34:38 PM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: reaganaut1
When you pretend that an entire group of people whose average intelligence is one standard deviation below the population mean is just as intelligent on average as every other identifiable group, you must continue with the pretense up and down the line. All of the other consequences: tendency to violence, lower average achievement, dropout rate, ... all stem from this basic fact; since we scrupulously ignore it, we must also [falsely] conclude that the consequences do not flow from it.

Mathematics is neither compassionate nor merciless. It is what it is.

6 posted on 03/21/2014 12:35:11 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: Robe

Yeah, what do they want?

If they really want to act black, maybe they should act black like our modern successful African immigrants act black. They’re way too busy and way too successful to whine!


7 posted on 03/21/2014 12:36:01 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: FredZarguna

It ain’t an intelligence issue nearly as much as it is a wisdom issue.


8 posted on 03/21/2014 12:36:37 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Unfortunately, with leftists in power, the assumption is that any behavioral differences are due to external or environmental or societal influences and not the responsibility of those actually performing the behavior.

That’s a screwed up worldview, but that’s what they believe.

Now, the conclusions reached from this assumption include that others who behave correctly have unfairly favorable circumstances and should pay to change the circumstances of those “less fortunate”.

Ever wonder where that term came from? There it is.


9 posted on 03/21/2014 12:36:45 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: reaganaut1
If there are more inexperienced teachers at mostly minority schools, it has nothing to do with how much respect those students show teachers.

It's all the unions' fault. Teachers with experience (and thus seniority) try very hard to get OUT of minority-majority schools.

10 posted on 03/21/2014 12:36:51 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: reaganaut1

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11 posted on 03/21/2014 12:37:32 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: reaganaut1

I don’t think the Chinese and Russians give a darn about the black folk in America. The liberals should keep this in mind.


12 posted on 03/21/2014 12:37:49 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: reaganaut1

Of course it just has to be the fault of institutions and society in general...and not that of a bankrupt subculture which ignores if not encourages behavior producing these desperate suspension numbers.


13 posted on 03/21/2014 12:38:06 PM PDT by kimoajax (Rack'em & Stack'em)
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To: reaganaut1

In the liberal paradise of NY?.................IMPOSSIBLE....................


14 posted on 03/21/2014 12:38:45 PM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: PapaBear3625
It's five times the rate of the entire population. It's 10.2 times the rate of the non-black population.
15 posted on 03/21/2014 12:38:48 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: MrB

Well there is such as thing as social black racism.

That is something baleful that every black person has the responsibility to say no to. They can embrace a new social tone if they refuse the old social tone.


16 posted on 03/21/2014 12:39:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The stats are what they are. It is pointless to ignore them. Stupid people are more prone to promiscuity, violence, and low achievement. Pretending that their bad choices aren’t related to the fact that they have less capacity is just more pretending.


17 posted on 03/21/2014 12:41:07 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: reaganaut1
Here's the bottom line. On a percentage basis, blacks are suspended more than whites. That's because on a percentage basis, blacks misbehave more than whites.

I personally think this can be traced back to the family unit. Are both parents under the same roof? Is education valued in the home? What is the family's annual income? All of that matters.

But none of that will be looked at. Instead, schools will be branded as “racist” if the percentages don't seem right. So the schools will simply cut down on black suspensions. Disruption in those schools will skyrocket. Middle class families (mostly white) will flee those schools.

The schools will spiral downwards. And who will be hurt the most? It will be the black students who come to school looking for a decent education. They will be trapped in chaos.

Even in the worst schools are many more good black students than there are disruptive black students. But it doesn't matter. They will be trapped in chaos.

18 posted on 03/21/2014 12:43:07 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: reaganaut1
.. said Daniel J. Losen, director of the Center for Civil Rights Remedies at the University of California at Los Angeles’s Civil Rights Project.

Department of Gibsmedat, Western Regional Field Office

19 posted on 03/21/2014 12:43:13 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: reaganaut1
Uh oh. This can only mean one thing. Education is Racist. Look - Whitey is even picking on little black babies:

 

Black preschoolers more likely to face suspension

Friday, March 21, 2014 9:15:01 AM · by armydawg505 · 59 replies
www.wtop.com ^ | 3/21/14 | Jesse J Holland

 

20 posted on 03/21/2014 12:43:54 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: reaganaut1

Poor Trayvon was suspended and look what whitey did to him. whitey = anything NOT black.


21 posted on 03/21/2014 12:44:02 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: FredZarguna

No, wisdom can cut across deep so called deficits in so called “intelligence” which is just ONE number. It would be like trying to size up your physical stature in just ONE number.


22 posted on 03/21/2014 12:44:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: reaganaut1

Funny thing, the crime stats show the same racial inequality? Go figure.


23 posted on 03/21/2014 12:44:19 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: reaganaut1

I have a great solution, How about Schools for Blacks only. There that should fix it.


24 posted on 03/21/2014 12:44:41 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: reaganaut1

Well the NYT is populated by loons and idiots.


25 posted on 03/21/2014 12:45:04 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: reaganaut1
"School Data Finds Pattern of Inequality Along Racial Lines"

Boy! No one expected this development!

26 posted on 03/21/2014 12:46:08 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: reaganaut1

Yup. And they break the law much more.


27 posted on 03/21/2014 12:46:15 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: reaganaut1

The dividing line is income level. Hate to break it to these people, but not only can parents choose a neighborhood based on its quality of schools, but it implies the obvious: Some districts have better schools. And guess what? It is often determined on income level.

I spent 1.5 school years in Mercer Island schools (yep, the same place where Obama lived with his grandparents and Michael Medved and Paul Allen now live). The schools were massively superior to the Kent school district I spent the next five years. And my attitude and grades showed it. But it was not about race. It’s about income level.

You want to be see your kids get a better education? Make more money. Or, thanks to the internet, just go here: https://www.khanacademy.org/

Oh, and I lived just a few blocks from Paul Allen about ten years ago and one of my wife’s friends, who also lived on the island, was one of the very few black families that lived on the island. They called the Crown school busses “twinkies”, because they were “yellow on the outside with a rich, white filling”.

All this report is saying is that poor people go to worse public schools than rich people, and more minorities are poor. Duh. They should watch Lean On Me.


28 posted on 03/21/2014 12:46:50 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: reaganaut1

Maybe if we bussed kids from poor neighborhoods to schools in rich neighborhoods and vice versa...

/s

;-)


29 posted on 03/21/2014 12:47:59 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Leaning Right
Here's the bottom line. On a percentage basis, blacks are suspended more than whites. That's because on a percentage basis, blacks misbehave more than whites.

Whats worse is that an even greater percentage of blacks who misbehave GET AWAY WITH IT more than the same percentage of whites who misbehave.

Why is this? Simple. Because to punish a black child is racist. To give him a bad grade (though he deserves it) is racist. So yeah. When the experts study why there are these inequalities; they ought to factor in the numbers should be higher. Much higher.

30 posted on 03/21/2014 12:48:44 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: reaganaut1

Lessee....we’ve tried segregation and that hasn’t worked. We’ve tried Robin Hood tax distribution and that hasn’t worked. We’ve even tried *adjusting* the standardized tests and even that hasn’t worked.

Money (welfare, school breakfast, lunch and dinner programs, redistributing property/school taxes, etc.) and dumbing down the level of education and testing hasn’t worked, so what’s next?

Mandating that every two-parent white family have to raise (feed, clothe and educate) a minority child, until the age of 25?


31 posted on 03/21/2014 12:52:23 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Robe
Scholastic Achievement = “Acting White”

From what I've seen white kids are sliding down the same slope, just more slowly. Maybe it would be more accurate to say "acting Asian." But then only white people are fair game for stereotyping.

32 posted on 03/21/2014 12:53:21 PM PDT by Teotwawki (For a person to get a thing without paying for it, another must pay for it without getting it.)
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To: reaganaut1
This is like saying it's not fair that blacks are disproportionately in prison for murder just because they commit 50% of the murders when they are only 12% of the population.
33 posted on 03/21/2014 12:56:06 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.")
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To: FredZarguna
It's five times the rate of the entire population. It's 10.2 times the rate of the non-black population.

I stand corrected.

34 posted on 03/21/2014 12:56:39 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PGR88

“What the report doesn’t mention is that the majority of black students are attending schools with black teachers and often black administrators.”

...and come from single-parent homes with no father figure present (and discipline of the children is non-existent).


35 posted on 03/21/2014 12:56:58 PM PDT by MNGal
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To: Teotwawki
From what I've seen white kids are sliding down the same slope, just more slowly.

That was the whole idea of "Outcome-Based Education." We want the same result for everyone. It's not fair if anybody does better than anyone else.

By the way, OBE is now called "Common Core."

36 posted on 03/21/2014 12:57:38 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.")
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To: cuban leaf
The dividing line is income level....

There's truth to that. But there is really another simple process to having smart successful kids. And - guess what? It works for black people too.

Its called the family. Husband (father), Wife (mother) and children. It works.

Yet black illegitimacy at nearly 100 percent in the inner cities will double damn guarantee you poor educational inequalities. Let these experts do a study (they have and there are thousands) on how how black families fare better than the single baby mama's and absent fathers.

37 posted on 03/21/2014 12:57:44 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Robe

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard that while teaching. Or trying to teach is actually more like it.


38 posted on 03/21/2014 1:00:26 PM PDT by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
There's no such thing as "so-called intelligence." "Wisdom" is not a well defined term. Intelligence is: it is the quantity which IQ tests measure.

Measured IQ correlates strongly to material, social, and familial success. It correlates very strongly negatively to criminal behavior, drug abuse, illegitimacy, and tendency to violence.

"Wisdom," -- whatever that is -- does not mitigate it, or the statistics would not be what they are.

Your stature analogy is apt of your misunderstanding. You are attempting to compare vague ideas which cannot be measured to things that can be. The failure of black students [on average] across a variety of metrics is quantifiable. So is the fact that they have [on average] less capacity to work with. "Wisdom" is not measurable, correlates to nothing, and is not even well nor universally defined.

39 posted on 03/21/2014 1:00:33 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: cuban leaf

I wonder if there was a study about using the variable ‘education of parents’ to explain performance of the child.

Education - you have to want it because it takes effort. But if you have an IQ of 120+, it doesn’t matter how poor you are.


40 posted on 03/21/2014 1:00:47 PM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: reaganaut1

The blacks are also more likely to have no father at home, to be classroom discipline problems, to have low IQs.


41 posted on 03/21/2014 1:03:31 PM PDT by truth_seeker (Nissan)
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To: FredZarguna

“The soft bigotry of low expectations”...


42 posted on 03/21/2014 1:04:04 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: FredZarguna

What is the cause and what is the effect?

Could it be that unwise use of brains dampens down so called “intelligence”?

It strikes me as very unwise to reduce intelligence to a one number quantity. If even psychological sciences were done justice, intelligence might be a ten value vector. And none of it would state what wisdom is.


43 posted on 03/21/2014 1:04:52 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: cuban leaf
I agree with you...ONLY to an extent.

Money ISN'T everything or the ONLY thing.

You could give a hood rat $10 million and they'd still be a hood rat. They'd just be a hood rat with $10 million.

Its about attitude. Dr. Ben Carson didn't come from affluence and yet he succeeded.

When people glorify the gangster lifestyle, you get more gangsters.
When you vilify success, you get less success.

Show me a child with at least one parent active in their life, trying to keep them on the straight and narrow, trying to teach them ethics and I'll show you a child who has a 90% chance of overcoming their lack of income.

Show me a child who comes from affluence, whose parents are degenerates and I'll show you a child who has a 90% chance of self destructing somewhere along the line.

44 posted on 03/21/2014 1:06:33 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: reaganaut1

It seems like there are penalties for having three thousand years of advancing culture with resultant social -cultural evolution with resulting technological and economic progress. It just isnt fair for people with advanced understanding of what makes an advanced culture and having learned the lessons to do that should advance further than those with only 2-300 years.


45 posted on 03/21/2014 1:06:39 PM PDT by amnestynone
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To: PapaBear3625

“As they get older, young black men commit homicide at a rate around five times the non-black rate. So?”

Obviously because their schools lack Algebra II classes.


46 posted on 03/21/2014 1:07:52 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: MrB
And the followup conclusions include that if they just had more money from the taxpayers, this could all be leveled out.
47 posted on 03/21/2014 1:08:44 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: reaganaut1

Government school is child abuse!


48 posted on 03/21/2014 1:09:28 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: reaganaut1

“black students face harsher discipline than other students.”
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How do we know if it’s harsher unless data was able to compare documented reasons why students were suspended in order to determine if the students are being given similar discipline for comparable behavior? This comparison includes socials skills sufficient for the offending student to indicate contrition and the intention to comply in the future when confronted, skills which fatherless children might not have learned.

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“To see that young African-American students — or babies, as I call them — are being suspended from pre-K programs at such horrendous rates is deeply troubling,” said Leticia Smith-Evans, interim director of education practice at the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund.

“It’s incredible to think about or fathom what pre-K students could be doing to get suspended from schools,” she added.”
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Why didn’t she do more than “think about” or “fathom” the reasons for which such young children were being suspended before she implied unfair treatment? We know statistically there are more single parent households (for now, the rates are changing with other races increasing) among African Americans and this could well drive behavioral difficulties as very young children transition to school environments. It’s a disservice to those whom they claim to care about to “not know” the reasons and just opine on what needs to change.

MOre schools which have majority African American students in the population are lacking the more rigorous class loads compared with white schools. How many of those majority black schools are administered by black leadership and staffed by black teachers? Are black educators and adminsitrators preventing black students from succeeding due to inherent racial bias?

Are those schools more likely to be staffed by less qualified teachers? Yes. But the people crying racism are likely to be the same people who hired the less qualified teachers. Schools of Education and the public school systems are frequently pressured to increase the quota of black teachers regardless of qualifications in order to “look like the population” and avoid the accusation that they were bigoted in hiring decisions. But if more underqualified teachers are hired to make quotas, it’s then bigotry?

In some cases, schools in which math and English skills are lagging among the student body (regardless of race), they strategically choose to focus on these elements of literacy instead of courses in Science or ALgebra. I observed a science class in an all white school (5th grade) in a privileged city during which time the white teacher repurposed the science class to teach literacy and counting skills instead. When I politely asked about her strategy (avoided saying “Why aren’t you teaching science?) she snapped “these kids are 1-2 years behind in basic reading comprehension because of Whole Language. They aren’t ready for science content!”

Looking at the data, black students in many urban poor areas perform two grade levels behind their peers (other races) so forcing them into Algebra or Chemistry classes is counter productive and likely to discourage them. Think about that - two grade levels behind. Attempts at school reform are aimed at bringing their performance up to that of their peers - is it any wonder they are not taking the same coursework? That’s not denying them access, that is offering coursework appropriate to their needs. So tailoring courses to meet remedial student needs is now “institutional racism?” How this kind of propaganda must breed the deepest resentment in parents and communities! Then students are not hired at the same rates upon graduation and the community can then point to these fake “disparities” in “access to education” and say a) if they had the same classes they could compete with their peers and b) the disparity in hiring is corporate institutional racism. That last one comes into play again when parents lobby to force school districts to graduate failing students to avoid disparity in graduation rates which are framed as more...institutional racism.

Try to set standards to identify students who aren’t keeping up and be charged with racism. Failing to admit underqualified students into competitive colleges, racism. Fail to promote underperforming employees, racism. Increased layoff or firings of underperforming black employees, racism. Not voting for an unqualified candidate to take political office, racism. Criticizing under performing or otherwise incompetent politicians, racism.

The Racism Card: Don’t Leave Home WIthout It.

And in the meantime, they seem to be doing NOTHING to help those kids they claim to care about.


49 posted on 03/21/2014 1:09:35 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: MrB
"Unfortunately, with leftists in power, the assumption is that any behavioral differences are due to external or environmental or societal influences and not the responsibility of those actually performing the behavior." Then the leftists should heed their own instincts and start addressing this problem of "disproportionate school discipline and educational opportunities" by examining what I feel is the foundation of this issue--which would be the destruction of the black and other minority community's family structure. A meaningful policy change for the liberals would be to stop promoting welfare benefits for single parents, which has resulted in 70% of black babies being born to single mothers. That's just incredible to me. I'm sure issues like this won't be discussed publicly, however. It's more provocative to imply that the data shows how racist and unfair American society is.
50 posted on 03/21/2014 1:09:41 PM PDT by MNGal
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