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'This Is Going to Ruin My Entire Life': 18-Year-Old Aspiring Firefighter Charged With Felony
heritage ^ | march 22, 2014 | evan bernick

Posted on 03/22/2014 8:22:15 AM PDT by lowbridge

Eighteen year-old Jordan Wiser is training to be a firefighter. He’s a certified emergency vehicle operator who works as a first responder when he’s not attending high school. And, after just spending 13 days in jail, he’s now facing felony charges for weapons possession.

The weapon? A pocketknife. It was in his EMT vest, and he uses it to cut through seatbelts when he’s practicing saving lives.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: ohio; zerotolerance
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Full title: 'This Is Going to Ruin My Entire Life': 18-Year-Old Aspiring Firefighter Charged With Felony for Pocket Knife
1 posted on 03/22/2014 8:22:16 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

what? Is this for real? In a once free nation?


2 posted on 03/22/2014 8:23:22 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: lowbridge

How long are we going to put up with these examples of insanity from the left. In order for idiots to “feel” safe, we have to turn ordinary, law abiding citizens into criminals?


3 posted on 03/22/2014 8:25:45 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: lowbridge

[ Officials searched Wiser’s car in the school parking lot and found an assortment of items, including a pocketknife, a stun gun, and two Airsoft pellet guns. Wiser said the Airsoft guns were in his trunk because he planned to participate in the sport after school. The stun gun was locked in his glove compartment for self-defense. The pocketknife was inside his EMT medical vest. ]

What officials and did they have a warrant?

Were they school officials?

Zero Tolerance policies are Police State Bull Crap


4 posted on 03/22/2014 8:26:56 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: lowbridge

This story is so evil I can’t comment on it without getting myself zotted.


5 posted on 03/22/2014 8:26:57 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: lowbridge

A pocket knife is a tool - not a weapon.

But here is an Ohio prosecutor and cops too stupid to understand the difference.


6 posted on 03/22/2014 8:27:57 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: centurion316

Ohio Governor John Kasich could make this all go away, but the sniveling little RINO coward will not do so.


7 posted on 03/22/2014 8:28:31 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: goldstategop

A pocket knife is a tool - not a weapon.

But here is an Ohio prosecutor and cops too stupid to understand the difference.

The “Zero Tolerance Laws” passed by the politicians are also a reason for this idiocy.


8 posted on 03/22/2014 8:29:15 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: lowbridge

Liberals keep taking over America, and conservatives keep going to work, reading about the issue and complaining.

Meanwhile liberals keep taking over America.

Just saying.


9 posted on 03/22/2014 8:29:19 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: lowbridge

Oh good grief!
This country has 18 year olds who have bled for their country overseas and are deemed to young to order a beer and we have twenty-six year old pajama boys who aren’t too old to be on their parent’s insurance.
Which is a man?


10 posted on 03/22/2014 8:30:20 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: lowbridge
13 days in jail for possession of a pocket knife?

If I was this kid's dad I'd be looking to kick some prosecutor ass.

11 posted on 03/22/2014 8:30:43 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: lowbridge
This is what they want to lock up a kid for carrying:

Uh huh. People who think its a weapon need their heads checked. Seriously.

12 posted on 03/22/2014 8:32:10 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: lowbridge

I have trouble believing this would really destroy one’s career chances especially once one described what happened and the details. But if there are zero tolerance policies or if this sticks as a felony and that alone is a disqualifier then I’m at a loss. This country is in ways equal if not worse than communist shtholes of the past for bureaucratic insanity when it comes to some zero tolerance and PC rules and red tape over a stain on someone’s record.


13 posted on 03/22/2014 8:33:05 AM PDT by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones - FUBO - Come and get me)
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To: GraceG
The “Zero Tolerance Laws” passed by the politicians are also a reason for this idiocy.

This and the fact that the American people WILL NOT get rid of these politicians, we instead give them permanent life long jobs to behave this way. They couldn't treat us this way if we didn't let them. We are sheep.

14 posted on 03/22/2014 8:33:38 AM PDT by Reddon
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To: lowbridge

The masters of Zero Tolerance demanding that we tolerate all manner of INSANITY...does not sit at all well with me!


15 posted on 03/22/2014 8:35:20 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: lowbridge

The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

— Ayn Rand.


16 posted on 03/22/2014 8:35:44 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: fabian

Use knife in a wreck to save lives, go to jail

Use knife in clinic to take lives, get praise from the left...


17 posted on 03/22/2014 8:35:54 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: lowbridge

From “Atlas Shrugged”:

Dr. Ferris smiled. . . . . .”We’ve waited a long time to get something on you. You honest men are such a problem and such a headache. But we knew you’d slip sooner or later - and this is just what we wanted.”

“You seem to be pleased about it.”

“Don’t I have good reason to be?”

“But, after all, I did break one of your laws.”

“Well, what do you think they’re for?”

Dr. Ferris did not notice the sudden look on Rearden’s face, the look of a man hit by the first vision of that which he had sought to see. Dr. Ferris was past the stage of seeing; he was intent upon delivering the last blows to an animal caught in a trap.

“Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against - then you’ll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We’re after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you’d better get wise to it. There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now, that’s the system, Mr. Rearden, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”

Watching Dr. Ferris watch him, Rearden saw the sudden twitch of anxiety, the look that precedes panic, as if a clean card had fallen on the table from a deck Dr. Ferris had never seen before.

What Dr. Ferris was seeing in Rearden’s face was the look of luminous serenity that comes from the sudden answer to an old, dark problem, a look of relaxation and eagerness together; there was a youthful clarity in Rearden’s eyes and the faintest touch of contempt in the line of his mouth. Whatever this meant - and Dr. Ferris could not decipher it - he was certain of one thing: the face held no sign of guilt.


18 posted on 03/22/2014 8:37:29 AM PDT by left that other site
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
liberals take over America because they hire all their crony judges....

they get their power from the electorate....like the STUPID people that did not vote Romney....for the STUPID people that voted third party in Minn several years ago and elected Frankin and the STUPID people that voted third party Libertarian in Virginia....

the stupid people keep handing the keys to the democrats to enslave us, all the time these stupid voters say they're "independent" or have principles etc or other total BS....

and I can see it happening itn 2016....we'll get freepers who will not vote for the pub for some lame excuse and elect Hitlery...

but there's no pounding sense in them because they are brainless and it won't matter......they must enjoy electing the rats to hire the judges to jail young men with pocket knives...

19 posted on 03/22/2014 8:38:01 AM PDT by cherry
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To: GraceG

I had a tiny (one-inch blade) pocket knife on my key chain confiscated by airport security.


20 posted on 03/22/2014 8:38:02 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished)
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To: george76

Ooops..GMTA! :-)


21 posted on 03/22/2014 8:38:33 AM PDT by left that other site
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To: lowbridge
I wonder how much contraband we would find in the vehicles of these unnamed officials...

bout time parents start to exercise their own zero-tolerance policy


22 posted on 03/22/2014 8:38:46 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: goldstategop

Swiss Army Knife has to be a no no—militaristic and all that.


23 posted on 03/22/2014 8:39:27 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished)
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To: luvbach1

Kid should claim he converted to Sikhism and he now has a religious right to a kirpan...

The left would be all over each other trying to defend him....

Or maybe not, Sikhs are the natural enemies of the left’s favorite ally the Islamic freaks.


24 posted on 03/22/2014 8:43:10 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: cherry

Romney was the wrong candidate.

He was yet another, in a long string of wrong candidates, the GOP has somehow settled upon.

The GOP needs to come up with some other way of selecting our candidates (if I am still in the GOP).

Picking candidates like Romney is exactly why we are in the mess we are in.

America needs another, new direction. We need American jobs, and we need to bring back American companies, to America.

Now.


25 posted on 03/22/2014 8:44:30 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: left that other site

Local officials and police officers cannot make exceptions for people who’s jobs and job training include knives and firearms...

You would think there is some discretion they could have used but they cannot because of zero-tolerance laws...

When it comes to making exceptions to the law ONLY the U.S. Attorney General “Elrich Der-Holder” can do that....


26 posted on 03/22/2014 8:46:16 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: fabian
what? Is this for real? In a once free nation?

That's the real question, although one could argue procedural issues, like unauthorized search and seizure, or he was an authorized carrier of the knife--a tool of the EMT trade.

27 posted on 03/22/2014 8:46:38 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: GraceG

Zero Tolerance = No Common Sense.


28 posted on 03/22/2014 8:48:11 AM PDT by left that other site
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To: left that other site

Zero Tolerance = Zero Brains


29 posted on 03/22/2014 8:48:51 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: GraceG
Officials searched Wiser’s car in the school parking lot and found an assortment of items, including a pocketknife, a stun gun, and two Airsoft pellet guns. Wiser said the Airsoft guns were in his trunk because he planned to participate in the sport after school. The stun gun was locked in his glove compartment for self-defense. The pocketknife was inside his EMT medical vest.

They searched his car because he had made some pro-self-defense YouTube videos and school officials were "concerned".

They went after him because they didn't like his politics.

30 posted on 03/22/2014 8:50:49 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: lowbridge
In Ohio, even. Outrageous. Oh my God, someone with decision power grow a brain already and throw this case out on it's ear. He's a junior EMT!

I know what knives EMTs and Fireman (and LEOs) carry here. They have $300 folding knives that can cut through auto sheet metal in an emergency if required. Some are even automatic (aka "Switchblades"), which are legal here for first responders. They need them.


31 posted on 03/22/2014 8:51:20 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: dfwgator

AMEN! :-)


32 posted on 03/22/2014 8:51:58 AM PDT by left that other site
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To: lowbridge

The only part that really surprises me is that he could actually cut through a seatbelt with a swiss army knife.


33 posted on 03/22/2014 8:53:09 AM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: lowbridge

I wonder whether said school has a baseball team, and if so where they keep the bats. Under many circumstances a baseball bat is a much more effective weapon than a pocketknife.


34 posted on 03/22/2014 8:58:43 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: cherry
STUPID people

AMEN!

To every word of it.

35 posted on 03/22/2014 9:00:02 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: lowbridge

He should rely on the justice system. A jury will acquit.


36 posted on 03/22/2014 9:03:19 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: lowbridge

Just imagine how those people must think that this kind of thing makes them look good. How can it possibly bring them feelings of well-being? It’s about time for the rest of us to say “F” them and horse they rode in on.


37 posted on 03/22/2014 9:07:03 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: lowbridge

Well...when you think about it; how else are you going to balance the racial criminal divide. /S


38 posted on 03/22/2014 9:12:47 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: lowbridge

“Fairness” dictates that we must manufacture white criminals because it is not fair that blacks commit crimes disproportionately to their percentage of the population.


39 posted on 03/22/2014 9:18:45 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.")
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To: The KG9 Kid
I don't think we are getting the full story here. In the knife enthusiast community it's well known that "cutting seat belts" is more made up marketing fantasy than reality. While many fireman and EMTs carry knives most will state with years on the job they have never used their knife to cut a seat belt. I'm sure it has happened but the reality is it's almost unheard of in actual practice.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the liberal idiots in any way. I'm just pointing out that the seat belt story sounds perfectly legit to the uninformed but it's mostly fantasy. So I tend to think there is more here than we are being led to believe.

40 posted on 03/22/2014 9:19:08 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: lowbridge

It seems like whenever this happens, the “offender” is not some gangbanger or someone with a skeevy violent past.

This young man has expressed a desire to serve in public life, I read that in another thread about him, and he’s concerned that a felony rap will halt that career. Others caught in this have been Eagle Scouts.

Here’s where I go out on a limb- what if the left is using its “get out the vote” and fundraising databases (Google’s Civitas comes to mind) to do a little predictive modeling and see which kids might someday run for office. They then help the careers of lefties and squash the career of conservatives, by using the “bullying” laws and “zero tolerance” policies. You don’t even need a predictive computer model, a lefty principal and school board can do it on their own, but the Big Data tools are there.

Odd that the kids taken down in this way are never president of a GSA or work for a lefty advocacy group.


41 posted on 03/22/2014 9:21:11 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: luvbach1

I had a pure silver bodied Cross pen with my initials on it confiscated by airport security. I asked the biitch what she was gonna with it since she probably couldn’t read or write. Spent two and and half hours being interrogated where I gave the bulls all kinds of crap about how ignorant, stupid and wrong they were. Asked a supervisor to arrest one of the bulls because he had a pen in his pocket.


42 posted on 03/22/2014 9:21:17 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: lowbridge
The GAME MUST continue... until it's DONE..
UNless the elite political class is pulled down...
click for VIDEO--


43 posted on 03/22/2014 9:22:27 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: lowbridge

A charge is a long way from conviction. That said, and I never thought I would say this, I am beginning to detest cops.


44 posted on 03/22/2014 9:24:38 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here.)
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To: DBrow; lowbridge

Good theory you have there — preemptive data mining on future ‘troublemakers.”


45 posted on 03/22/2014 9:25:32 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: Safetgiver

Did you get your pen back? Cross makes very nice pens.


46 posted on 03/22/2014 9:26:53 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: MeshugeMikey

Zero tolerance is often, OFTEN, promoted right here in one thread or another. Depending on who is saying it for what reason, it is someone’s Purina Dumbass Chow.

It is the sedentary imbecile’s way to feel tough and engaged.


47 posted on 03/22/2014 9:26:55 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here.)
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To: centurion316

I think the whole point is to turn us into criminals. Once we’re all convicted criminals, we’re slaves of the state.


48 posted on 03/22/2014 9:27:10 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: cherry

Have you not sent your whitewashed jackass to the knacker’s yet?


49 posted on 03/22/2014 9:28:07 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here.)
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To: miss marmelstein

I think you are correct. For all the bleating about freedom in America, we are rapidly losing the practical exercise of them, and after the SCOTUS upheld ACA we are in classic political science terms a totalitarian state.


50 posted on 03/22/2014 9:33:05 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here.)
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