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Shots Fired: Russia Forces Break Through Ukraine Airbase in Belbek, Crimea
Breitbart ^ | 3/22/2014 | Mary Chastain

Posted on 03/22/2014 9:31:04 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather

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To: sheikdetailfeather

McCain said obama would not be bad for the country. I wish someone would remind him of his butt sucking statement.


51 posted on 03/22/2014 12:42:19 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Russian troops storm Ukrainian bases in Crimea.

Okay let me try to get this straight.

Russian troops enter Crimea.

An election is held to see if Crimea wants to remain independent or join Russia.

No option to remain a part of the Ukrainian nation is offered on the ballot.

The Crimeans, vote over 95% (wink wink) to join Russia.

Now it is reported, that Russians have invaded a Ukrainian airbase, inside Crimea.

Crimea is now a part of Russia. There can therefore be no Ukrainian air base. References to Crimea are essentially worthless. It’s Russia you dopes. Crimea exists in name only. It’s meaningless from here on out.

What to go Russians living in what used to be Crimea.

Enjoy...

WTF?

Is anyone even bothering to keep a score card these days?


52 posted on 03/22/2014 12:50:30 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: tcrlaf
What did that foolish Commander expect to ‘accomplish’ by telling his troops to “stand their ground”...when over 70 bases had already gone to Russia, as well as Crimea had already voted to go with Russia and basically a done deal.

Not only were his troops lives put in danger but wasn't this the same commander who confronted the Russians before and put on a display of his troops marching... until the Admiral of the Black Feet arrived and negotiated the situation?

Might be he wanted a war one way or another.

53 posted on 03/22/2014 12:56:51 PM PDT by caww
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To: F15Eagle

This Commander was told for weeks to surrender the base.....and given many options to his troops on how they wanted to depart the base....Telling his men to “stand their ground” was not one of them.


54 posted on 03/22/2014 1:00:05 PM PDT by caww
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To: F15Eagle

This Commander was told for weeks to surrender the base.....and given many options to his troops on how they wanted to depart the base....Telling his men to “stand their ground” was not one of them.


55 posted on 03/22/2014 1:00:05 PM PDT by caww
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To: Red in Blue PA
Now Putin’s is in real trouble! A new speech from Obama.

Obama is now threatening to sign Putin up for ObamaCare.

56 posted on 03/22/2014 1:02:13 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: LeoWindhorse

“. I do not think Putin is seeking a return to the insanity of communism , which the entire world including Russians has seen is an utter failure and does not work .”

It worked just fine for the Soviets. Problem was they ran out of money because Reagan bankrupted them, which by the way is how you defeat communism.

Well, Obama decimated our military and bankrupted America and we can no longer fight that war. Meanwhile the old Soviets got rich in the private sector, regrouped and can now reconstitute the Soviet empire. And there isn’t a damn thing we can do about it.


57 posted on 03/22/2014 1:02:52 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Now we’re the ones going bankrupt.


58 posted on 03/22/2014 1:03:40 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Instead of entering the war which Putin has begun in support of the puppet regime overthrown by the Ukrainians, the best outcome is Putin blown to bits on live TV.


59 posted on 03/22/2014 1:09:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: LeoWindhorse
Obama’s decisions to face down Putin with economic sanctions , and any other sanctions, simply moves Russia, China and Japan into a yet closer relationship...and puts the dollar at risk.

China overtook Germany this year as Russia's biggest buyer of oil....not to mention the agreement with Russia for 35 fighter Jets to China.

Russia's largest oil company CEO said... that if the US and Eu continued attempts to isolate Russia...they would move much faster with the Asian energy deals, military contracts and political Alliances.

So Obama’s already changing the political alliances and it's not favorable for the USA.....Obama fails to see the EU has more leverage with Putin then the US.....it's as if once again he's attempting to be the "Diplomatic Ring Leader" where he thinks he has more clout then he does....because EU clearly stated they would not go to war over Crimea nor Ukraine in Brussels..... They simply handed Obama the "Mike" so he could say it first.

60 posted on 03/22/2014 1:17:29 PM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf

Did you notice up on the left, in this photo, the Commander forming his troops in front of the building?


61 posted on 03/22/2014 1:21:26 PM PDT by caww
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Can’t tell for sure, but it looks like the Russians are handling this better than the BATF and the FBI would. They would just burn all the buildings down with everybody in them.


62 posted on 03/22/2014 1:23:07 PM PDT by virgil
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To: tcrlaf
That fits with what I've been reading of soldiers saying Kiev Government and pretty much everyone else had abandoned them....However this base was given many weeks to comply as did the other 70 who already had left or changed sides. Not sure I buy he didn't get orders.....did he not stay in contact with other Base Commanders and know they were leaving? So somethings real fishy about this commander and IMO he wanted another stand off as he had before.p>
63 posted on 03/22/2014 1:27:35 PM PDT by caww
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To: virgil

Very good point. The Russians treat those whom they are invading better than the Feds treat citizens.


64 posted on 03/22/2014 1:45:54 PM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Putin will “keep on doin what he’s doin”, until the West-IMF banking and insurance “instruments”, QE fraud, and the Congressional Country Club is threatened. At which time a propaganda designed to whip up war and arms fever will commence, suckering many, including the ingnorant here on FR, into the war’s real purpose, cashing for as many govt. contractors and killing thousands of public schooled dumbed ritalined.


65 posted on 03/22/2014 1:52:24 PM PDT by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: Delta Dawn
((......"The youth of today is blessed to have grown up in such comparative peace and tranquility. They will be easier to conquer down the road"))

Question raised/stated on Town Hall...." How does teaching kids to turn into a jellied mass of quivering fear because some kid chewed a gun into a Pop Tart square with the importance of knowing how to use firearms for adults?"

and further...."How did the toughest, most independent society since Sparta turn into a wuss factory full of people who've never had an adventure in their life outside of a video game?"

more..." We now have an entire grievance industry full of losers who spend all their time complaining that they're "offended" by everything from the name of the Redskins to the "Patriarchy" to politicians using "violent language" like "crosshairs" and "job killing."

Can you imagine a member of the Greatest Generation complaining because a Japanese soldier called him a mean name? Do you think the wagon trains on the Oregon Train were more worried about "isms" or trying to avoid dying of dysentery and being scalped?


66 posted on 03/22/2014 2:01:39 PM PDT by caww
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To: dfwgator
Obama is now threatening to sign Putin up for ObamaCare.

Lol!

67 posted on 03/22/2014 2:04:02 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Qiviut
Exactly....but I don't think he'll bite his nose off to spite his face.

Nothing Putin's doing is any surprise to the EU or the USA.....maybe the people but not the Nation Leaders....Putin's made it quite clear what he would do if the Eu/Nato continued to encroach on his area of influence...and they knew this would happen when they went after Ukraine's Government as they did.

Ukraine just wasn't smart enough to see the EU and US was using them from the get go....Putin saw it coming....

.... the guy took back Crimea without a war....all in about three weeks!..Because he knew he could. I doubt he wants Ukraine now.....maybe the east where all the industry is...and which are primarily Russian...Ukraine's too much of a drag on everyone to take under their belt.....they owe Russian alone over 11 Billion just in gas revenues. They stopped paying their bills long ago.

If anything Putin will let the Eu shape Ukraine up at their expense, and make a deal similar to the one he had with them...He already has the Gemstone he wanted for now.

68 posted on 03/22/2014 2:13:13 PM PDT by caww
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To: Qiviut
Exactly....but I don't think he'll bite his nose off to spite his face.

Nothing Putin's doing is any surprise to the EU or the USA.....maybe the people but not the Nation Leaders....Putin's made it quite clear what he would do if the Eu/Nato continued to encroach on his area of influence...and they knew this would happen when they went after Ukraine's Government as they did.

Ukraine just wasn't smart enough to see the EU and US was using them from the get go....Putin saw it coming....

.... the guy took back Crimea without a war....all in about three weeks!..Because he knew he could. I doubt he wants Ukraine now.....maybe the east where all the industry is...and which are primarily Russian...Ukraine's too much of a drag on everyone to take under their belt.....they owe Russian alone over 11 Billion just in gas revenues. They stopped paying their bills long ago.

If anything Putin will let the Eu shape Ukraine up at their expense, and make a deal similar to the one he had with them...He already has the Gemstone he wanted for now.

69 posted on 03/22/2014 2:13:13 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
maybe the east [Ukraine] where all the industry is...and which are primarily Russian

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I think there's a good chance this is going to happen sooner rather than later. Thousands of Russian troops currently massing on the border of southeastern Ukraine are merely involved in training exercises .... or so says the Kremlin.

Russia’s Shifting of Border Force Stirs U.S. Worry

70 posted on 03/22/2014 2:35:26 PM PDT by Qiviut (It's hard to be a donk if you're sane & it's hard to be a pubbie if you have any integrity.)
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To: Qiviut

As to Russian troops on the border...I assume you know that there are also Ukraine tanks etc. there as well....Kiev sent them there as they knew three weeks ago this was a volitile area as primarily Russian Citizens there who are always squabbling with Ukranians. There were early conflicts there so Ukraine and Russia both want the Industry etc. protected....

Ukraine has already stated it will NOT go to war with Russia....and at the Brussels EU meeting they too said they would not go to war over Ukraine...and Obama said as well. So I doubt there will be war....if anything Putin will go in as He did in Crimea...but it won’t be as neat and tidy this time around if he does. I don’t think he will until much later...a year or more if that. Will depend on the political climate.


71 posted on 03/22/2014 2:57:52 PM PDT by caww
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To: ClearCase_guy

Eastern Europe belongs to the Russians if they send the tanks over the plains. Who would be able to stop them?


72 posted on 03/22/2014 3:37:35 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: caww
Ukraine just wasn't smart enough to see the EU and US was using them from the get go.

Ukraine's not being used by anyone. Ukraine's trying to use the EU and the US to ward off Russia. The problem with this strategy is that Ukrainians are not a significant demographic in either geography. Ukraine spent its post-Soviet days screwing around instead of preparing for war. It is now paying the price. It has nobody to blame for its current situation except itself. The Russian zeal for universal empire under Russian rule is a given. For Ukrainians to bury their heads in the sand was imprudent. For them to give the Crimea up without a shot is, frankly, about the most cowardly display ever seen since Edward Benes handed the Sudetenland over to Germany without resistance.

73 posted on 03/22/2014 3:37:56 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Not so.....Ukraine’s PM spoke this week they want to be Independant...joining Nato is a none issue. Alliance with EU “politically” was signed but ‘not economic’ agreement.

Ukraine’s so debt ridden etc. nobody wants it...Putin of course does but doen’t want the mess Maid left for someone to clean up...he’ll wait except maybe in Eastern and Souther Ukraine....

I agree they can blame nobody but themselves....so now they want someone to rescue them and the most they can get are loans from the IMF and EU etc....and this with EU taking control of their Gov. finances....and we know how that goes...they already cut social services to pay for defense...and pensions too will go.

Still I can’t blame the citizens as much as the crooks, like we have, who skimmed off the top billions instead of investing in the country.

We can’t forget theirs a huge economic and oil war going on world wide..and Putins largely on the move as much as the EU....Ukraine was known to be a sore spot for ages and if you touch it you touch the Bear.....so they knew this would happen...and oh my...now they have an excuse to slow down Putin by sanctions....even though he won Crimea without a war. Different rules for Russia then rest of the world and I think they crossed the line at Ukraine...his sphere of influence.....

Either way...it remains to be seen...but he may very well go for Ukraine if they pressure him too far.....and Irans deals off the table and N.Korea....he’ll fully go in their courts.


74 posted on 03/22/2014 4:27:01 PM PDT by caww
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Why continue to occupy a base if you have no intentions of defending it? This Gandhi and MLK bs isn’t going to cut it with the Russians. Public opinion and optics are meaningless. No one is going to help them.


75 posted on 03/22/2014 4:28:02 PM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I guarantee the Poles will make life very difficult for them if they try.


76 posted on 03/22/2014 4:29:16 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: caww

“What did that foolish Commander expect to ‘accomplish’ by telling his troops to “stand their ground”...when over 70 bases had already gone to Russia, as well as Crimea had already voted to go with Russia and basically a done deal.”

March 21 - less than 2,000 out of 18,000 soldiers of Ukrainian military forces, who are currently stationed in the Republic of Crimea, showed the wish to leave for Ukraine.

Ukrainian soldiers in Crimea have actually been offered three options: to swear allegiance to Crimea military, to receive Russian passports and remain in the peninsula as civilians, or to leave Crimea.


77 posted on 03/22/2014 4:34:31 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

78 posted on 03/22/2014 4:47:41 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: Gadsden1st

I don’t see the problem with Russia taking over Europe. I am sure the Russians believe they are exceptional, just as we do.


How about Russia taking some of Canada? Russia currently has a border dispute with them. Once the rule of law is gone the murdering KGB thug is free to do as he wishes.

How about a nuclear war in the middle east with Russian proxy Iran? Any problem with that?


79 posted on 03/22/2014 4:52:56 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Varsity Flight

Putin will “keep on doin what he’s doin”, until the West-IMF banking and insurance “instruments”, QE fraud, and the Congressional Country Club is threatened. At which time a propaganda designed to whip up war and arms fever will commence, suckering many, including the ingnorant here on FR, into the war’s real purpose, cashing for as many govt. contractors and killing thousands of public schooled dumbed ritalined.


The only morons on FR are the moral relativist brain damaged isolationists who can’t think more than one move ahead on their checkerboards.

The reason Ukraine is so important is that once the rule of law is gone you have the rule of the jungle. Once it acceptable for for Putin to dismember neighboring countries and arm Iran with nuclear weapons you will get the rule of the jungle. This creeping fascism will hurt us all. Either we deal with the murdering KGB thug firmly now or we pay the bill with our stolen liberty later. Those are the only two choices and no moral relativist day dream with change it.


80 posted on 03/22/2014 5:03:44 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: LeoWindhorse
You said...
“I think the US’s best strategy would be to make common cause with Russia , and work with it as an ally , not to resume a confrontational ,adversarial relationship . I do not think Putin is seeking a return to the insanity of communism , which the entire world including Russians has seen is an utter failure and does not work . Rather , he is a strong nationalist and seeks a strong Russia , with allied states at her borders . Don’t we want the same thing ? I have complete contempt for this fuzzy , submissive , ideological metasexuality of the Obama crowd . They are weakened America immeasurably . Is that what we want ? Putin is a far better model for national leadership in many ways. We need to form alliance with him and Russian , not confrontation . Obama is going to screw around and find the U.S. cut off from manned space flight , lose the ISS and we will find our critical back door access to Afghanistan slammed shut . Is that what we want ? Better to make changes at home than worry about Ukraine abroad .”

Interesting post. The kind that makes one think and go “hmmmmm?”

I also agree that Putin wants the return of the Soviet Empire without the communism

81 posted on 03/22/2014 5:12:48 PM PDT by LMAO (Insurgent conservative)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Obama and Reggie cannot be bothered. Michelle and fat mama are in China........time for some boy on boy love action.


82 posted on 03/22/2014 5:19:05 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Zhang Fei

The Russian zeal for universal empire under Russian rule is a given. For Ukrainians to bury their heads in the sand was imprudent. For them to give the Crimea up without a shot is, frankly, about the most cowardly display ever seen since Edward Benes handed the Sudetenland over to Germany without resistance.


It’s not an accident Ukraine was prostrate militarily. That’s exactly the way Putin wanted it and his man Yanukovych was running the show.

Apparently Ukraine asked for military aid and the kenyan and the EU refused. I doubt they even have enough ordnance on hand to support a sustained engagement against the Russians.

It really wasn’t a hard decision for Ukraine not engage militarily once they realized they would run out of ammo in 7 days or whatever.


83 posted on 03/22/2014 5:24:40 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90
It really wasn’t a hard decision for Ukraine not engage militarily once they realized they would run out of ammo in 7 days or whatever.

It was an equally easy decision for the Afghans to go up against Russian artillery, tanks, helicopter gunships and ground attack aircraft, armed only with 19th century muzzle-loading jezail rifles and WWI-era Lee Enfield bolt action rifles. It wasn't until they showed they were willing to stand and fight by taking serious casualties that foreign sponsors jumped in with significant material assistance.

84 posted on 03/22/2014 5:56:27 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: lodi90

“The only morons on FR are the moral relativist brain damaged isolationists who can’t think more than one move ahead on their checkerboards.”

That is funny. And true.


85 posted on 03/22/2014 6:56:50 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: VerySadAmerican
McCain said obama would not be bad for the country. I wish someone would remind him of his butt sucking statement.

McCain is such an arrogant asshole and an idiot to boot, so he would never back down from that statement. In fact, I believe his actual response in 2008 was to condescendingly laugh at the question posed by the 50-60 yr old man and to answer with "No, you don't need to be afraid of Barack Obama", as if he were quieting our fears with his gentle, reassuring words!

Like I said, what a gullible & naive asshole that McCain is. (And remember, it was taboo for anyone in McCain's campaign to ever use 0dumb0's middle name "Hussein")

86 posted on 03/22/2014 9:06:31 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: LeoWindhorse

Excellent post. Rational, intelligent and just.

A must-read.


87 posted on 03/22/2014 9:25:42 PM PDT by Finalmente
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To: DoughtyOne

Score card? It’s marked “game cancelled on account of your lights getting punched out if you say anything about there being a game.”

Back to my recurring observation that most people just continue the mundanity of their lives regardless of what their leaders do. Ukraine? Crimea? Russia? W[ho]TF cares who’s in charge? Wave the assigned flag when assigned to, and otherwise continue on with eating, sleeping, and procreating.

The Ukraine leadership had a meltdown; the duly-elected but nonetheless corrupt president & co. fled, a coup was in order, Putin cares not for the western half but does want the eastern half back. Russian flag over Crimean parliament blindsides everyone, and game over. Everybody, Obama included, knows that Putin IS willing to go all-in to win; nobody wants to die for Crimea et al, so it’s a done deal save for a handful of holdouts that need 7.62 millimeters of persuasion.

By the end of Obama’s term, Regan’s legacy will be undone and the USSR reborn without the pretext of “member countries”.


88 posted on 03/22/2014 9:55:43 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Rome2000

NK can only survive by not attacking SK.

Short version: if NK makes the long-awaited move, Seoul ceases to exist, Pyongyang ceases to exist, and absolutely everything holding NK together comes apart.

...but yes, if NK is going to make that move, now is the best time. Not a “good” time by any means, but the best window of opportunity for a long, long time to come.


89 posted on 03/22/2014 10:04:13 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: lodi90
I doubt they even have enough ordnance on hand to support a sustained engagement against the Russians.

I don't think *anyone* has enough. Maybe China, only because they have so many soldiers, or NK. USSR was manufacturing, warehousing and rotating mountains of ammo, shells, rockets, and other weapons. Well packaged, stable ammo in a spam can can be stored for a very long time.

But, most importantly, neither side is willing to shoot and kill to reach their goals. Let's hope it stays this way, even if some base commanders are insistent on "defending" an indefensible position.

Additionally, this is a good example of the Army command missing in action. Often warring sides go to great pains to suppress the enemy's command and control. Here Russians got it for free, without even trying :-)

90 posted on 03/22/2014 11:02:04 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Marguerite
Took me a while to get back to FR today.......have been checking much in Sevastopol, Ukraine, EC/Atlantic Council and Brussels etc. etc. etc.

Here's some photos from Base:..."The End"

Belbeck..... Ukrainian Colonel Yuli saluting his troops at the end ...apparently a moving speach before they left the base

Last salute to his Troops


91 posted on 03/23/2014 12:23:19 AM PDT by caww
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To: LeoWindhorse; onyx
I truly agree...however Obama greatly lacks any skill in dealing with the world as a whole.....look what he's now doing...traveling from one nation to another like he's campaigning with nothing but his motor mouth nobody cares to hear anymore...it's at best posturing before an uninterested world to save face, which he's long passed opportunity to do so. The EU understands perfectly the USA will not be in the fore front in world crisi's going forward.

FYI.......EC Summit in Brussels this week asked to spot vote what should be the response if Russia goes into Eastern ukraine.........here's the result which speaks volumes....they also stated they will Not go to war over Ukraine and the PM of Ukraine has announced this to the people there as well


92 posted on 03/23/2014 12:34:45 AM PDT by caww
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To: LMAO
That is a very important statement for all to keep in mind....."Putin wants the return of the Soviet Empire without the communism".

You are absolutely correct..and is how people should see Putin...and how he sees himself as well.

That's why some have difficulty understanding the World Stage as it is now. Putin's doing nothing more than what the EC/Nato and US is doing (And China)....gathering nations together...shoring up their interests and resources....all to be able to have their "Empires" govern the World.....once each reaches it's critical mass...they'll be a showdown, you can be sure.

As for following International Laws....ignore them all when they start quoting law, for each is making their own rules, and breaking others as they go......but at this juncture Putin achieved his immediate goal.... without shock, without awe...

Putin shakes hands jointly with gov. officials from Sevastopaol and Crimia after signing official documents in the Kremlin...

While our President Entertained Hollywood ,vacationed, and golfed instead of paying attention to his job


93 posted on 03/23/2014 1:06:59 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

“Belbeck..... Ukrainian Colonel Yuli saluting his troops at the end”

Ukrainian military troops stationed at Belbek criticized the Maidan-government in Kiev: “We are being abandoned - most sadly by our own government. The most dangerous enemy appeared to be our leadership and our government.
Today I’ve found an interview with Acting Minister of Defense Igor Tenyukh (ultra-right nationalist), where he says he maintains contact with all troops on the territory of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, that all relevant orders were given and the situation is under control. There were only two orders – ‘remain in place’ and ‘you are allowed to use weapons.’ That’s it!”


94 posted on 03/23/2014 2:31:53 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: sheikdetailfeather; All

The way Hamid Karzai is acting maybe we should just leave Afghanistan NOW and tell Putin if he wants somewhere to invade and show his true strength, he can finish what the Soviet Union couldn’t 30 years ago. Let’s make the Taliban and Al-Qaeda Russia’s problem. Use some Intelligence and Propaganda to get the ball rolling.


95 posted on 03/23/2014 6:40:47 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: dfwgator

Polish Armed Forces modernized? Are they going to fight back with horses again?


96 posted on 03/23/2014 10:18:17 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

You trying to be funny?


97 posted on 03/23/2014 10:19:37 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Are you of Polish ancestry?


98 posted on 03/23/2014 11:49:29 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Yes.

And I’ve stated many times here their contributions to the war effort, long after Germany and Russia carved her up.


99 posted on 03/23/2014 11:51:43 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: caww
I truly agree...however Obama greatly lacks any skill in dealing with the world as a whole.....look what he's now doing...traveling from one nation to another like he's campaigning with nothing but his motor mouth nobody cares to hear anymore...it's at best posturing before an uninterested world to save face, which he's long passed opportunity to do so. The EU understands perfectly the USA will not be in the fore front in world crisi's going forward.

It was never a matter of skill. Past presidents have coasted on the basis of an open checkbook backed by the resources of the largest economy in the world. In past crises, the US strategy has been to ask "What number do you want on this check?" Obama has slammed the checkbook shut. His reasons probably have to do with (1) staying away from foreign entanglements that don't benefit him with the Democratic base, but could hurt him with both the base and with independents if things go badly and (2) avoiding expensive operations abroad that make it more difficult for him to bulk up the domestic welfare state. Either way, this cloud has a silver lining - it has put countries that do not have a formal alliance with the US on notice that they should look mainly to themselves if they are invaded. Defense budgets will go up, and a burden will be lifted off Uncle Sam's shoulders. It would be even better if Obama stood aside as the Baltic states (which spend 1.2% of their GDP on defense) were invaded and annexed. It would remind NATO countries that they are ultimately responsible for their own defense, and that the pact is only a piece of paper that cannot automatically command the material and manpower resources of the US.

FYI.......EC Summit in Brussels this week asked to spot vote what should be the response if Russia goes into Eastern ukraine.........here's the result which speaks volumes....they also stated they will Not go to war over Ukraine and the PM of Ukraine has announced this to the people there as well

There's a lot they can do to hurt Russia beyond going to war. Afghanistan was a disaster for Russia without anyone other than Afghans fighting Russian troops.

100 posted on 03/23/2014 2:54:17 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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