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Russia’s Shifting of Border Force Stirs U.S. Worry
NYT ^ | March 21, 2014 | By Mark Landler

Posted on 03/22/2014 10:04:00 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

WASHINGTON — The White House cast doubt Friday on the Kremlin’s claims that thousands of troops massing on the border of southeastern Ukraine are merely involved in training exercises, deepening fears that Russian aggression will not end in Crimea.

“It’s not clear what that signals,” the national security adviser, Susan E. Rice, said to reporters in a briefing at the White House. But she added, “Obviously given their past practice and the gap between what they have said and what they have done, we are watching it with skepticism.”

At the Pentagon, senior officers and analysts said they were monitoring the Russian infantry, airborne, air defense and other reinforcements with growing alarm, uncertain of President Vladimir V. Putin’s ambitions.

Pentagon officials do not believe that a new Russian move into Ukraine is imminent. But one of their big worries is that American and NATO officials would have virtually no time to react if it did happen. All told, officials said, there are more than 20,000 troops near the border.

“The Russian forces are reinforcing and bulking up along the eastern Ukrainian border,” a Pentagon official said. “Our view is they’re preserving all their options, including going in, absolutely. If they choose to do that, we just wouldn’t have much warning.”

President Obama cited the troop movements on Thursday in announcing new sanctions...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: crimea; obama; putin; russia; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
Not to worry. Obama's gonna ban all these guys from Disneyland.
1 posted on 03/22/2014 10:04:01 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Bunch of dummies...Better worry what the Ukrainian troops are doing, too.


2 posted on 03/22/2014 10:05:35 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Jim Robinson

Guess we should have thought about this before Kosovo, Syria, Egypt, Libya, etc.


3 posted on 03/22/2014 10:07:56 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Sacajaweau

Putin wants to put the Soviet Union back together. With what we have in the White House, what better time to start than right now?


4 posted on 03/22/2014 10:08:42 AM PDT by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: Jim Robinson

Obama, meanwhile, is massing his security briefs in the waste paper basket and his golf balls on the first tee.


5 posted on 03/22/2014 10:17:44 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: 2banana

Definitely before declaring victory over war and dismantling our defenses. Obama won the Peace Prize y’know.


6 posted on 03/22/2014 10:17:56 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
The Ukes better prepare hard for guerrilla warfare. They are not strong enough for a direct faceoff, and they should not expect substantial help from the West.

Let the Ruskies come in, then go after them all over the place. Vlad needs to pay a heavy price.

7 posted on 03/22/2014 10:21:51 AM PDT by Moorings
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To: Jim Robinson

Russia will want a land route to Crimea and, of course, the industrial region of the eastern Ukraine where there are substantial numbers of Russians. The Ukrainian military is acting like a hopelessly outnumbered and outclassed group, which is just what they are.

The real question here is if Russia will go for Kiev and the whole Ukraine or will eat it up piecemeal. We are now irrelevant to the situation.


8 posted on 03/22/2014 10:23:02 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Jim Robinson

Yup. And their wives from shopping on Fifth Ave.

As Dimitri Rogozin noted, every grain of sand in Crimea is worth not being allowed to visit the West or to shop there.

Westerners think Russians care about belonging to the West. They brush it off and punishment fails with someone on whom it isn’t a deterrent.


9 posted on 03/22/2014 10:24:21 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jim Robinson

~~~“It’s not clear what that signals,” the national security adviser, Susan E. Rice~~~

That’s right, you lying Benghazi dimbulb. It’s very complicated to figure out -— if you’re stupid enough to lie that a YouTube video caused the Benghazi terrorism attack.


10 posted on 03/22/2014 10:27:31 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Jim Robinson
Not to worry. Obama's gonna ban all these guys from Disneyland.

And if things get really serious, Obama will unfriend Putin on Facebook.

11 posted on 03/22/2014 10:28:06 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Jim Robinson

Putin is using all the trappings of Communist/socialist strategy to wage a capitalist war. Protection and control over markets of energy supplies generated by Russian resources of oil and gas particularly to europe and asia. To do this he must be in a position to threaten other suppliers. Naval and air bases in foreign lands like Cuba, Venezuela,Syria,and where-ever he gets a toe hold serve that purpose. Puts Russia in a position to threaten US and other countries competition to their markets.


12 posted on 03/22/2014 10:30:02 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Moorings

If you like your Ukraine, you can keep it... period.


13 posted on 03/22/2014 10:30:30 AM PDT by Moorings
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To: beelzepug

Putin knows he can pretty much roam free for the next 3 years.

My guess is he will. He’ll never have a more opportune time.

I expect some new map lines are going to be drawn this year.


14 posted on 03/22/2014 10:30:31 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: 2banana
Guess we should have thought about this before Kosovo, Syria, Egypt, Libya, etc.

I guess so, as the operational tactics and media tactics the US used in those operation were used by the Russians in their responses.

Who woulda thunk they would learn how, from our own Progressive Socialists?

15 posted on 03/22/2014 10:35:28 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Kremlin’s claims that thousands of troops massing on the border of southeastern Ukraine are merely involved in training exercises

If that's all they're doing, how about they move the exercises to central Siberia?

16 posted on 03/22/2014 10:38:45 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (I'm a constitutionalist, not a libertarian. Huge difference.)
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To: Jim Robinson

No problem, mac daddy just received 100 cartons of red pens so now we can all sleep better knowing that he will not shirk from drawing endless red lines that NOBODY cares about in the least.

Boy that was stressful, time for another tax payer vacation of $250,000,000.00 to relax and relieve the stress.


17 posted on 03/22/2014 10:41:39 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: 2banana

According to the reasoning behind those invasions, there was no act of war, because there were no U.S. boots on the ground. (Not true — but, as always, that’s beside the point.) If the Russians avoid putting boots on the ground, can they take over eastern Ukraine without violating international laws?

Here’s what I’ve learned about U.S. foreign policy in the past 20 years of observation:

- Republicans express complete disdain for international laws, and international organizations — yet, they follow every step of every required process, and comply with every rule, before invading another country.

- Democrats express complete support for international laws and organizations — yet, they ignore every required process, ignore every organization, and flout every rule, whenever they want to invade another country.


18 posted on 03/22/2014 10:42:46 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Jim Robinson
I guess Bronco does have more flexibility after the election. Monitoring he situation, eh?
19 posted on 03/22/2014 10:43:14 AM PDT by glock rocks (If you like your health plan, you're a racist !)
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To: Jim Robinson
The other side in this conflict is the socialists in Brussels and their allies in Ukraine who want Ukraine (and Crimea) to have the same "human rights" as the rest of Europe like the "right" to commit suicide and have your organs harvested, and the "right" to have free housing and healthcare. There are a smallish number of people who would benefit from integration with the EU, mostly by selling real estate to wealthy Europeans and more consumerism in general. But consumerism and "economic rights" are not free as we saw in Greece and other southern European countries.

Faced with that choice I am not surprised that a lot of people chose Putin.

20 posted on 03/22/2014 10:53:33 AM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: JimSEA
there was already a directive signed by putin to study a tunnel/bridge from crimea to russia. only 2.5 miles. it would be designed to carry both rail and road traffic

estimated cost is $1 billion so far

21 posted on 03/22/2014 11:03:50 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: Jim Robinson
we are watching it with skepticism

She is selling herself short; she should also say she's watching it with hand-wringing, just like Carter!

22 posted on 03/22/2014 12:45:29 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great -- until it happens to YOU..)
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To: varyouga
estimated cost is $1 billion so far

Hmmm... sounds like a real bargain. They must not have unions and county commissioners to pay off.

23 posted on 03/22/2014 12:47:37 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great -- until it happens to YOU..)
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To: Jim Robinson

There is now no area of Ukraine that is majority ethnic Russian. Putin is going to be party to ethnic cleansing?


24 posted on 03/22/2014 2:27:36 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Jim Robinson

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/03/22/crimea-has-joined-the-ranks-of-the-worlds-gray-areas-here-are-the-others-on-that-list/


25 posted on 03/22/2014 4:08:33 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Moorings
The Ukes better prepare hard for guerrilla warfare. They are not strong enough for a direct faceoff, and they should not expect substantial help from the West.

Let the Ruskies come in, then go after them all over the place. Vlad needs to pay a heavy price.


It's sad we can't do much, I know we cannot take on the Russians in their backyard, it could start WWIII but at least we can support the Ukraines morally and if we can slip them supplies somehow. I work in a department store and I see many customers from Eastern Europe, the Ukraine mostly and they are scared and upset. I told them I am in step with them where I think the Russians are wrong and if I can magically transport things, I'd send over 1 million M1 Garands and Carbines, 50,000 bazookas and 5000 Sherman tanks (and supplies) to fend off the Russians when the time comes. They said to me that they wish that I could.

It was a mistake of them to give up their nukes and rely on others for their protection. There could be a time when your friends, even if they support you in many others ways, if they cannot defend you, you're screwed. I think lastly, if I wanted to be a real thorn in Russia's side, I'd plant dynamite all over the casket at Chernobyl if safe enough or otherwise be able to blow it from a distance when the wind is right and let the fallout fly over Russia.
26 posted on 03/22/2014 5:11:34 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-193 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: palmer
The other side in this conflict is the socialists in Brussels and their allies in Ukraine who want Ukraine (and Crimea) to have the same "human rights" as the rest of Europe like the "right" to commit suicide and have your organs harvested, and the "right" to have free housing and healthcare.

And the right of faggots to undermine all vestiges of Judeo-Christian culture.

27 posted on 03/22/2014 5:15:43 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Nowhere Man
Greatest threat to Ukraine is its economy. They indebted 9 billions $$ to Russian banks, 1.8 bln $$ to Gasprom, 140 bln $$ to Western financial institutes. Without 40 bln financial help in current year they will have very serious problems. Protests in Kiev were caused by dissatisfaction with low living standards and corrupt oligarchic government. Now all social expenditures will be shortened drastically, taxes will be greater as main conditions to acquire IMF loans. Current government is no less oligarchic than previous while all governmental structures are in disorder. I wonder who is ready to invest is such basket case. Not big asset to wage war for. May be China only has enough money to save failed state with 45 mln populace.
28 posted on 03/22/2014 6:21:15 PM PDT by Cossak
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To: Cossak
y. They indebted 9 billions $$ to Russian banks, 1.8 bln $$ to Gasprom, 140 bln $$ to Western financial institutes.

So what happens if Russia offers to forgive the debt in exchange for Ukraine going into the Russian fold?

29 posted on 03/22/2014 6:22:23 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

Exercises must resemble possible reality. In Central Siberia Russia has no threats.


30 posted on 03/22/2014 6:28:34 PM PDT by Cossak
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To: Nowhere Man
"but at least we can support the Ukraines morally"

"first of all, we have to support the Ukrainian nationalist neo-nazis and their leader Oleg T." - SS of State Nuland and John Calamity McCain


31 posted on 03/22/2014 6:41:01 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Jim Robinson

“Stirs U.S. worry”.. What kind of emasculated, pansy-arsed language is that? I guess we are second fiddle to #1 superpower Russia now. Thanks, ladies, and the boy raised by a single feminist mommy and a cross-dressing transgender nanny.


32 posted on 03/22/2014 7:25:44 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: dfwgator
It will drown Russian economy for Ukraine is too big, with all accumulated economic and social problems. 23+ years of anti-Russian propaganda, glorifying Galitsia SSmen in Ukraine created general negative attitude in Russians to Ukraine. May be industrial Russian speaking South East. For Russia it would be much better to have Ukraine independent and not hostile. But it is hardly possible. This state appeared artificially 100 years ago by whim of bigger players; it never was independent and is nonviable on its own.
33 posted on 03/22/2014 8:45:07 PM PDT by Cossak
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To: Marguerite

Man, Johnny sure can pick ‘em.


34 posted on 03/22/2014 8:52:57 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Marguerite

The point is the Russians invaded a sovereign country and are being bullies. I do not support neo-Nazis at all and I support a more responsible leadership than that.


35 posted on 03/22/2014 10:36:29 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-193 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: Cossak

“This state appeared artificially 100 years ago by whim of bigger players; it never was independent and is nonviable on its own.”

See my post http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3136137/posts?page=94#94


36 posted on 03/23/2014 2:20:43 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Cossak
Good post.

Ukraine is unable to pay Russia back in cash and is an economic basket case.

There is no money to field an effective defense.

For the next three years Putin will foreclose and repossess the parts of the Ukraine he wants. Obama will continue to show the flexibility he promised.

37 posted on 03/23/2014 7:46:19 AM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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To: CivilWarBrewing
I think it means Obama will roll over painfully in bed with a hangover after a heavy night of drinking, smoking, snorting, and cavorting with Reggie - vaguely trying to remember there is something happening he should be concerned about.
38 posted on 03/23/2014 7:52:03 AM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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To: Moorings

Right. Cause massive casualties to themselves since the Ukrainian people are divided themselves and have few weapons and no right to bear arms.


39 posted on 03/23/2014 7:56:34 AM PDT by bill1952 (taxes don't hurt the rich, they keep YOU from becoming rich.)
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