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What the Post-American World Will Look Like (If 8 years of Obama are topped by 8 years of Hillary)
Frontpage Mag ^ | 03/22/2014 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 03/22/2014 11:28:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The Cold War map of the world divided into two camps was simple and clear. The post-American world will be a much more ambiguous place. Instead of two global ideological alliances based around two world powers, there will be three post-ideological powers, no longer global in scope, and one worldwide ideological alliance.

The United States, Russia and China are post-ideological states. Russia and China have abandoned Communism. The United States is even abandoning nationalism; to say nothing of capitalism, democracy or freedom. Its rulers cling to scraps of global leftist ideology that isolate them from their own people.

Russia, China and the United States are all demographically unstable. Russia and the United States are both on track to majority-minority status. China’s demographic disaster will be the outcome of its one child policies, gendercide and its war on the countryside. The United States will probably weather its demographic problems better than Russia or China, because the former faces a fatal Muslim demographic takeover and the latter a conflict that will tear it apart, but like Russia and China, the demographic crisis in the United States will be exacerbated by the lack of common bonds to see it through a period of social stress.

There is little to unify Russia or China except greedy oligarchies playing at nationalism. It’s an unconvincing nationalism because the sons and daughters of their elites spend more time abroad than at home and sometimes even hold American citizenship. The oligarchs of Russia and the princes of China are as globalist as any Eurocrat. They have few national commitments. Their goals are wealth and power for their own families and associates.

Unfortunately there may be even less to unify the United States after the left erodes everything from free speech to the free market. Uncontrolled immigration has imported masses of hostile populations everywhere from Nashville to Minneapolis radically changing quintessentially American cultures and replacing them with balkanized minority coalitions with little in common except a mutual hostility against the United States.

In contrast to the cultural vulnerabilities of the three powers, Islam, the defining global ideological alliance, lacks a superstate as the center of its empire, though it has many state bases, but enjoys the allegiance of a worldwide population larger than any of the three powers. Demographic projections continue to favor the growth of Islam over China, Russia and the United States.

The three powers deal with Muslims by dividing them up into three groups; those that are part of their systems, those that are outside but allied to them, e.g. Syria for Russia, Saudi Arabia for the United States and Pakistan for China, and those that are its separatist or terrorist enemies.

Instead of coming to terms with a global struggle with Islam, each power largely concentrates on fighting Muslim separatist or terrorist groups that destabilize its sphere of influence while arming, funding and supporting those Muslim separatist and terrorist groups that destabilize rival powers.

Muslim terrorists operate in all three powers, but are dismissed as unrepresentative aberrations. That is wishful thinking, but empires are shaped to fight their own kind. Islam, like Communism, is something different. It is an ideology and post-ideological powers who believe in very little are poorly adapted to fighting it. Instead many of their elites secretly admire its dedication.

Islam emerged by taking advantage of the slow collapse of the Roman Empire. Its reemergence as a world power once again coincides with the fall of empires. Like a hyena trotting after prey, Islam is a cultural carrion eater consuming the skills and knowledge of superior civilizations to sustain its warlordism whose religious fanaticism eventually decay into decadent dynasties.

The collapse of the Pax Americana under Obama has freed up Russia and China to begin campaigns of territorial expansionism. Obama’s failure to deter Russia in Ukraine will encourage China to use force as a solution to territorial disputes in the South China Sea. These events will wake the world from the dream of the Pax Americana in which American power kept the peace in much of the developed world.

Those most immediately affected by the decline of the United States will be the Asian and European countries that outsourced their defense to the United States after WW2.

Europe was able to turn inward without having to make the hard choices and its elites were even able to drag the United States into implementing their vision internationally. But that is coming to an end. Libya may have been the last such war and the American contribution to it was fairly limited.

The nations of Europe suffer from Japanese birth rates, Russian demographics, Chinese corruption and American economics (though it would be more accurate to say that America suffers from EU economics.) Despite its size and population, Europe does not have a bright future.

Russia will not stop with Ukraine and NATO will dissolve, officially or unofficially, but the budding Russian empire will find that fighting a new wave of Muslim insurgencies in formerly peaceful republics will consume too much of its time and energy. The soldiers who will march on the scattered pieces of the old red empire will be Muslims and the Eurasian Union will become a Muslim empire with a handful of churches. Like Rome, its fall will come at the hands of its own barbarians.

Iraq and Afghanistan will not be as psychologically devastating to Americans as Vietnam, but severe military budget cuts and a campaign against the warrior culture will leave the military in no shape for anything except peacekeeping missions.

None of this has to happen, but it will if the same bad decisions continue to be made.

If eight years of Obama are topped by eight years of Hillary; this is where we will end up. If multilateralism continues to be the great obsession of the elites, if bad economics and bad strategy continue destroying nations, if the developed world continues de-industrializing to save the planet while empowering energy tyrannies, then the post-American world will be upon us.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: greenfield; hillary; obama; postamerica

1 posted on 03/22/2014 11:28:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Ashes.


2 posted on 03/22/2014 11:30:00 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains...”
Mark 13:14

(I realize its a prophecy about Jerusalem but it is still the verse that immediately comes to mind when you say Hillary might actually be elected after Obama.....Gawd save us all!)


3 posted on 03/22/2014 11:33:19 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ("H)
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To: Jim Robinson

Not quite, what we would have is lots of totalitarian states all over the world. The concept of freedom will be forgotten for if it dies here, in the US it dies everywhere.

There will be 2 classes, as there were in the middle ages, wealthy land owners and peasants.


4 posted on 03/22/2014 11:35:39 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: SeekAndFind

If the LoFos elect Slick Willie’s wife, there will be no rescue of America. It will be officially over.


5 posted on 03/22/2014 11:35:53 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Communism kills!!!)
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To: faithhopecharity

Yeah, I think this polity is a component of Babylon at that point.


6 posted on 03/22/2014 11:41:54 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Yes and no. I would phrase it “if the dims are allowed to steal another election as they did in 2012....

There were allot of “interesting” situations that year.


7 posted on 03/22/2014 11:42:29 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

If patriots cannot get the word out about the federal government’s constitutionally limited powers by 2016 then they deserve Hillary.


8 posted on 03/22/2014 11:44:38 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: SeekAndFind


9 posted on 03/22/2014 11:45:35 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: SeekAndFind

The world was fortunate that after the collapse of the British and French Empires, we were the ones to step into the gap. That bought the west a good 60 more years that was then squandered the time on socialism, and cultural marxism.

It’s too bad India is in no shape to step up, and that we stupidly emasculated Japan. That would have bought us a couple of decades to get our stuff together.


10 posted on 03/22/2014 11:53:48 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: SeekAndFind

We’ll we up crap heap if we elect Hillary or a GOP McCain type warnut who wants to be a wartime President. We’ve had 100 years of war with the costs of blood and treasure. We have piled on to that trade deficits, a warped view of the Constitution where wars are not declared and sodomy, which was once a crime, is now a right, a government ruled by lobbyists and a population being diminished by our best and brightest unwilling to marry and create.

What we need is USA nationalism. Build the USA with strength in defense and rebuild our economy. That means screw the world. Another war is existential for us. We have traded China into a powerhouse. We have ignored Russia, a potential ally. Engaged in boots on the ground warfare in Asia and the ME. No matter which side we back, we lose. Others keep clamoring for us to set red lines, to back their efforts at revolution, or to settle century old problems.

No more foreign wartime Presidents. We protect ourselves only or we fade from history. A return to the Christianity of our forefathers would be very welcome.


11 posted on 03/22/2014 11:57:07 AM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: ex-snook
What we need is USA nationalism. Build the USA with strength in defense and rebuild our economy. That means screw the world. Another war is existential for us. We have traded China into a powerhouse. We have ignored Russia, a potential ally. Engaged in boots on the ground warfare in Asia and the ME. No matter which side we back, we lose. Others keep clamoring for us to set red lines, to back their efforts at revolution, or to settle century old problems.

In a nutshell.....NO MORE BLOOD FOR ISLAM!

12 posted on 03/22/2014 11:58:53 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: VanDeKoik

One will know when America is lost.
It will be the day the Dem/Repub/Marxist(Obama) leadership sign Amnesty into law.

Tens of millions of foreigners will flood the USA, vote Dem for gimmies and the Dems will have a One Party Socialist/Fascist Dictatorship as they have desired.

There will be USA serfs trying to escape to more free places soon after (China, Russia, Cuba?).

Freedom will be stabbed thru the heart by the “Dems”.


13 posted on 03/22/2014 12:01:51 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: logic101.net

My Take: A Post American world will have a Russia almost as big as the old USSR, China too will be larger. Europe will be broken into 45 nations. Even South America will be broken up. Africa will belong to Russia and China. America will be five nations, Canada, three, Mexico three, Brazil four. Middle class will not be large. Islam will not be very important in this world. Vietnam, Laos, Burma will all be part of China. Much of eastern Europe, Turkey, syria will be part of Russia.
In America we will have a Presidents for life, and no rights as we know them today.


14 posted on 03/22/2014 12:02:29 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: dfwgator

And drill baby drill !!!!!


15 posted on 03/22/2014 12:11:26 PM PDT by al baby (Hi MomÂ… I was refereeing to Obama)
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To: SeekAndFind

The USA has gone well over 100 years without a Civil War. If the Cow gets elected, that streak may well end.


16 posted on 03/22/2014 12:14:16 PM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

I almost agree with your bottom line. I don’t think Russia will be in Africa, barring the remote possibility of North Africa. Africa will be cut up by shakily growing Chinese authority and shakily waning European authority.

President for life in America may be in the rump US. In Dixie, such a president would have a hunting accident. We’d be back at the Celtic warlord model. Affable if possible, Hatfield and McCoy if not.


17 posted on 03/22/2014 12:20:11 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: SeekAndFind

We are each day approaching a Social War. It has to be unless Americans are willing to go under and become subordinate to the Third World demographic as illustrated by the clown and his aides currently residing in “OUR” White House. The occupant of the White House and his aides are symptoms of an underlying malaise. I hope the disease can be cured. Time will tell.


18 posted on 03/22/2014 12:21:24 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: SeekAndFind
Those most immediately affected by the decline of the United States will be the Asian and European countries that outsourced their defense to the United States after WW2.

It's all bad if another democrat follows Obama...

19 posted on 03/22/2014 12:25:54 PM PDT by GOPJ (NASA: N othing A bout S pace A nymore - - FreperClearCase_guy)
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To: SeekAndFind
The tipping point for the post-american world occurred 10-20 years ago, courtesy of the Baby Boom generation.

Obama is just putting the nail in the coffin.
20 posted on 03/22/2014 12:35:40 PM PDT by indthkr
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To: SeekAndFind

The silver lining in this is that when it comes, the breakdown will begin - and possibly be largely confined to - the urban and inner suburban areas.

I’ll take no joy in watching the various aggrieved classes have at each other and take out decades of anger and frustration created - deliberately - by Liberals seeking to isolate them and exploit the victim mentality for political gain.

But I will appreciate the irony of it all.


21 posted on 03/22/2014 12:36:33 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

We’ll be lucky if the ruler is American, never mind what party.


22 posted on 03/22/2014 12:57:25 PM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: SeekAndFind
Russia will not stop with Ukraine and NATO will dissolve, officially or unofficially, but the budding Russian empire will find that fighting a new wave of Muslim insurgencies in formerly peaceful republics will consume too much of its time and energy. The soldiers who will march on the scattered pieces of the old red empire will be Muslims and the Eurasian Union will become a Muslim empire with a handful of churches. Like Rome, its fall will come at the hands of its own barbarians

I'm not as keen an analyst as Greenfield, but I see the European Union becoming essentially a union of Muslims and Dhimmi-Socialists. The Russians will have a contrasting empire of states that do not wish to become Dhimmi-socialists. It will be one or the other, Russians and other eastern Europeans are not going to let Islam take over. If Hillary had her druthers she would preemptively bomb Serbia to keep it from joining the Russian side.

23 posted on 03/22/2014 1:24:01 PM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
In America we will have a Presidents for life, and no rights as we know them today.

Wait. I'm confused. Don't we already have this?

24 posted on 03/22/2014 1:37:24 PM PDT by upchuck (South Carolina Representative Trey Gowdy for Speaker of the House!!!)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
We are each day approaching a Social War.

I used to wonder how we would distinguish between friend and foe. During the last Civil War, there was gray and blue. Then it came to me, that during times of social stress the patriots among us wave our flag. The good people among us will wear U.S. flag armbands. The enemy will be divided with any number of markings such as rainbow insignias, Mexican flags, Muslim markings, etc. When the war comes, identify friendlies by their U.S. flag armbands. Even Obama balks at wearing our flag insignia.

25 posted on 03/22/2014 2:02:44 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: roadcat

How would you know if that person wearing the Armband isn’t an enemy in disguise?


26 posted on 03/22/2014 2:03:59 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind; ex-snook
Two problems I have with this article:
1) There has never been a Pax Americana to fall. To be honest, since the fall of the Soviets we've stirred crap up more than we've helped anyone.
2) No one really understands what a global war with Islam entails. A religious war is the worst kind of war; history shows this to us. Do we really want to spend the next 4-5 centuries engaging in total war with Islam? Or is it better to seek alternatives to that conflict?
What we need is USA nationalism. Build the USA with strength in defense and rebuild our economy. That means screw the world... We protect ourselves only or we fade from history.
I agree with this absolutely. At the very least, worry about our own hemisphere only. Bring back the Monroe Doctrine.
27 posted on 03/22/2014 2:04:02 PM PDT by GAFreedom (Freedom rings in GA!)
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To: dfwgator

“In a nutshell.....NO MORE BLOOD FOR ISLAM!

I completely agree. A whole nation full of muslims is NOT worth the shedding of a single drop of American blood.


28 posted on 03/22/2014 2:08:13 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Chode
A little closer to home:


29 posted on 03/22/2014 2:37:23 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: SeekAndFind

30 posted on 03/22/2014 3:50:35 PM PDT by garjog (Obama: making the world safe for Sharia.)
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To: SeekAndFind

bump


31 posted on 03/22/2014 5:12:56 PM PDT by gibsosa
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To: dfwgator
How would you know if that person wearing the Armband isn’t an enemy in disguise?

It doesn't matter. In times of strife, like-minded folks come together. It is human nature to be distrustful of strangers. If of similar mind, they find a way to trust each other. When TSHTF, we have to help and defend each other, or perish.

32 posted on 03/22/2014 7:07:57 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Alas Babylon!
100%
33 posted on 03/22/2014 9:43:58 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: SeekAndFind

America can not survive back-to-back Novelty Presidencies.


34 posted on 03/23/2014 3:18:44 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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