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'First visual sighting' boosts Malaysia airliner search
AFP News ^ | March 23, 2014

Posted on 03/23/2014 5:24:52 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Investigators have made the first visual sighting of objects that could be linked to the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 on Saturday, but officials warned it was "too early" to be sure the sighting was linked to the missing aircraft.

Australian officials said a wooden cargo pallet, along with its belts or straps, was spotted Saturday in a remote stretch of the southern Indian Ocean that has become the focus of an intense international search in recent days.

Wooden pallets are quite common in aircraft and ship cargo holds.

"Part of the description was a wooden pallet and a number of other items which were nondescript around it and some belts of some different colours," AMSA aircraft operations coordinator Mike Barton said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iran; malaysia; mh370; waronterror
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1 posted on 03/23/2014 5:24:52 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Wooden pallets are also quite common on every ship in the world.


2 posted on 03/23/2014 5:29:53 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Have seen this portrayed this way a couple places, but, when I watched the actual clip from the news conference yesterday evening on NBC Nightly News the person speaking characterized what was observed as random ocean debris that could have come from anywhere or anything.


3 posted on 03/23/2014 5:30:44 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Ocean debris more than likely. Dead whale caught in a net, maybe a couple of shipping containers.
If its aircraft debris I am not buying its from the 777.


4 posted on 03/23/2014 5:33:13 AM PDT by Spartan302
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To: Sacajaweau

and all over my back yard now that the fire wood is almost gone


5 posted on 03/23/2014 5:33:35 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It’s about 8:30pm over there and weather is poor. I anxiously await watercraft access to these debris sitings. I’ll remain hopeful, but there is no guarantee any of this debris is from the plane.


6 posted on 03/23/2014 5:35:09 AM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
...officials said a wooden cargo pallet, along with its belts or straps, was spotted Saturday in a remote stretch of the southern Indian Ocean...


7 posted on 03/23/2014 5:36:51 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Sacajaweau

“Wooden pallets are also quite common on every ship in the world.”

Yes they are. Could be anything. Even when we had appreciable floating debris pinpointing the general impact point of AF447 it took two years to find the plane itself. We may well be talking about this thing for years to come.


8 posted on 03/23/2014 5:44:53 AM PDT by FAA
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To: umgud

heck out the satellite weather link. Not as “poor” as I would have expected. There is a rather weak front along the general area but not my idea of “poor” weather. This link allows you to zoom into any place on the earth and see the cloud/weather movements.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/world/satellite


9 posted on 03/23/2014 5:45:07 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: FAA

They found debris very quickly from the AF jet, specifically the tail section. The challenge here is not to find the plane, but just to find ANY debris. 4 days of having a “clue” from two separate coordinates by satellite of what looks to be the same object has still netted no, zip, zero results even when they knew where to look for this “debris”.


10 posted on 03/23/2014 5:48:46 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: mazda77

It’s been two weeks and some since it disappeared. They were relatively “Johnny on the spot” with 447 and had sightings in a couple of days. There won’t be any obvious floating debris fields from it now if there ever were any to begin with. Whatever was left has been dispersed and sent in any number of directions or succumbed to the waves.


11 posted on 03/23/2014 5:57:39 AM PDT by FAA
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To: SoFloFreeper

That about covers it.


12 posted on 03/23/2014 5:59:41 AM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Wooden pallets are also quite common on every ship in the world.

And soon to be a major part of skyscrapers.....

It will really complicate things when we can't tell flotsam from jetsam from skyscraper debris...

13 posted on 03/23/2014 6:00:44 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It’s now been two weeks since FL-370 disappeared. Wind and ocean currents could easily have moved debris +1,000 miles from the actual crash site.


14 posted on 03/23/2014 6:04:21 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Have not seen this asked: There is supposed to be an emergency transmitter that automatically begins to ping upon impact. I believe it transmits to satellite if it’s on the surface.

If it sank, can the pings be picked up by sonar? Does the sonar array have to be on a ship or can they drop a buoy?


15 posted on 03/23/2014 6:05:35 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

Our submarines and sonar buoys can hear a mouse fart for miles, point it’s location and tell you what it had to eat.


16 posted on 03/23/2014 6:09:37 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: Sacajaweau

I ave one in my garage.


17 posted on 03/23/2014 6:10:24 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Spartan302
The Reverend Thomas Bayes would agree with you. The prior probably overwhelming favors sightings of something other than debris from flight 370.
18 posted on 03/23/2014 6:15:35 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: mazda77

Would it be safe to assume that we have had our ears on in that locale?


19 posted on 03/23/2014 6:18:07 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

The P3’s and P8 that went out there the first day dropped a bunch. Some “ace” AP reporter made a big splash by saying the crew of the P8 said they had something from the pings but later that assertion was rained on heavily as he just heard it wrong. They were hoping they would get something, not that they did.

Ironically, we have not heard from the “ace” reporter again as I’m sure they made sure his ticket to ride was no longer valid.


20 posted on 03/23/2014 6:25:00 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: mazda77

Great link. Thanks


21 posted on 03/23/2014 6:32:12 AM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: mazda77

For several hours its been posted about images but so far the MSM isn’t showing any, my guess is they have already screened them and they went “Oh shit, its just garbage, no more Breaking News”.


22 posted on 03/23/2014 6:34:20 AM PDT by Spartan302
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To: Spartan302

There seems to be a huge effort to keep these sat image sightings front and center. They know the currents and the Sat locations and still nothing? Tomorrow is the date referred to by Islamic chatter weeks ago.


23 posted on 03/23/2014 6:51:48 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: mazda77

Which increases my surmise that the plane is on the ground, intact and being fitted for its next flight. You?


24 posted on 03/23/2014 6:54:42 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: mazda77
There seems to be a huge effort to keep these sat image sightings front and center.

A tiny elite is experimenting again with the mechanics of lying to seven billion people. TWA 800 established that truth is now whatever a government says it is.

25 posted on 03/23/2014 6:57:08 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL-GALT-DELETE])
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To: mazda77
"Tomorrow is the date referred to by Islamic chatter weeks ago."

Have not heard about this "chatter". Do we have any details about this chatter?

26 posted on 03/23/2014 7:01:14 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

probably radioactive debris from Fukushima caught in an eddy and spun south and west, as opposed to the majority which went east.


27 posted on 03/23/2014 7:01:29 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: don-o

My surmise is the same as yours.


28 posted on 03/23/2014 7:06:49 AM PDT by stonehouse01
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

As vast as the oceans may be, they are still full of man made junk and garbage of all sizes.


29 posted on 03/23/2014 7:08:33 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The future ain't what it use to be -- Yogi Berra)
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To: don-o

Only logical explanation since nothing has been found on the ocean surface. The numbers of people that were awakened in the Maldives say they saw a large airliner that morning flying at low altitude to the SSE that morning at about the same time it could have been in that area is telling as there is an airfield on the southern most island of the chain that was long enough to land it and take off again.

Again, no reports of any kind that any investigative team even going there. Plus the Maldives are essentially Islamic. Remember, they have been having their own separatist issues going on there as well.


30 posted on 03/23/2014 7:10:10 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: SoFloFreeper

I recently saw the good film ALL IS LOST on Netflix

The best part was Redford does not have any dialogue in the film but does portray what a man alone in the sea would have to contend with to stay alive.

I won’t give away the details but the film shows how large debris in the Indian Ocean is a real problem.

ALL IS LOST

2013 / Adventure, Drama

Deep into a solo voyage in the Indian Ocean, an unnamed man (Redford) wakes to find his 39-foot yacht taking on water after a collision with a shipping container left floating on the high seas. With his navigation equipment and radio disabled, the man sails unknowingly into the path of a violent storm. Despite his success in patching the breached hull, his mariner’s intuition, and a strength that belies his age, the man barely survives the tempest.Using only a sextant and nautical maps to chart his progress, he is forced to rely on ocean currents to carry him into a shipping lane in hopes of hailing a passing vessel. But with the sun unrelenting, sharks circling and his meager supplies dwindling, the ever-resourceful sailor soon finds himself staring his mortality in the face.

http://www.ondvdreleases.com/1793-all-is-lost-dvd-release-date.html


31 posted on 03/23/2014 7:11:55 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Sacajaweau

Correct! In the Navy, we use to throw them overboard with targets strapped to them and take target practice at them.........mostly out of boredom but, LOL, the skipper called it “training”.


32 posted on 03/23/2014 7:18:17 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Hatteras

I saw a link to it over a week ago and did not bookmark it.


33 posted on 03/23/2014 7:19:43 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The disinformation campaign continues. Meanwhile on an airstrip in W Pakistan. :-)


34 posted on 03/23/2014 7:25:18 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: mazda77
Our submarines and sonar buoys can hear a mouse fart for miles, point it’s location and tell you what it had to eat.

It's a little more difficult than that. How far you can detect a target through passive means depends on water conditions, temperature, salinity, depth, biologics in the area, signal strength, so forth.

35 posted on 03/23/2014 7:33:02 AM PDT by Lower Deck
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To: don-o

It’s been asked. The main transmitter can be turned off by the pilot and often is when a hard landing is anticipated, so it doesn’t go off on a normal landing.

The other ones have to be manually turned on by the flight crew when a water landing is anticipated.

So neither of these are likely to be pinging since the flight crew was probably incapacitated and the pilot or copilot would have turned of the main transmitter.

This is all according to one of the “experts” on Fox who has usually made sense when he’s asked a question, answering primarily technical questions.


36 posted on 03/23/2014 7:40:18 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

shhhhhh!

posting comments like this too often will cause FR to go down, your internet connection to fail and your browser to crash.

But for some real fun you can admit Sarah Palin will be POTUS, Obamacare will be repealed, 35 states acknowledge Obama failed to qualify for election and thus is invalid to be POTUS, all Executive Decision since first election are null and void. Russia will join forces with the Tea Party and will create a new militia in the seceded state of New Alaska.


37 posted on 03/23/2014 7:41:36 AM PDT by Spartan302
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Rush made the point a few days ago that even if the plane is eventually found in the water so many conspiracy theories have sprouted that it will now be impossible to convince everyone that the plane was really found and to explain to them what most likely happened.

I think he’s correct.


38 posted on 03/23/2014 7:42:41 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
There are thousands of tons of floating large debris in oceans that are maritime hazards to shipping.

The Great Pacific Garbage Patch

In one part of the North Pacific Ocean, the ocean currents create a gyre (a huge slowly moving spiral of water). Scientists have found the world’s biggest floating landfill there.

It’s hard to know how much garbage is in the gyre, but it’s probably millions of pounds. Scientists think that it is nearly impossible to scoop up all the trash—there is just way too much. Some people think it is as large as the continent of North America and over 100 feet deep! pThere is no solid island of debris from Japan heading to the United States. Here is an example of confirmed Japan tsunami marine debris arriving in the U.S.: a 4-by-4-foot plastic bin spotted off the eastern coast of Oahu, Hawaii, on September 18, 2012. The barnacles on its bottom are a common open-water species. (Hawaii Undersea Research Laboratory)

39 posted on 03/23/2014 7:43:46 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I wonder what the General who insists the plane is in Pakistan thinks of all the money and effort being put into finding the plane in the South Indian Ocean?

Anyway, it fits well with my suspicion that the pilot, for political reasons, commandeered the plane, overcame the copilot (or simply locked him out of the cabin), disabled everyone else, then started to circle back to Malaysia to do his own 9/11 before coming to his senses, realizing what he’d done, and then taking a suicide dive into the ocean.

And if he didn’t change his mind, but just ran out of fuel on the way in, they’ll find the plane south of Malaysia near Singapore. (I doubt that, but looking at the pings, that’s the likely course he would have taken if he were headed back to Malaysia.)


40 posted on 03/23/2014 7:52:18 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; Fred Nerks

If it does not have a serial number on it, independently confirmed by Boeing, the debris is prima facie planted as far as I am concerned.

Lets also have a popcorn machine known to be on the flight as well as golden bobby pins from missing Princess Xianli’s hair.All of it s crap without independent Boeing confirmation, airframe serial numbers.

Pardon my cynicism.


41 posted on 03/23/2014 7:52:43 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Norseman
So neither of these are likely to be pinging since the flight crew was probably incapacitated and the pilot or copilot would have turned of the main transmitter.

At what point were the pilots incapacitated and what was the cause? I cannot buy the fire explanation because they stayed aloft way too long.

This scenario seems to indicate a third party being the instigator, doesn't it? flat out hijacking. But, there is supposed to be a quick way to add that info to the transponder squawk. Isn't there?

42 posted on 03/23/2014 7:58:38 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: mazda77

I saw an oblique reference to tomorrow as well, in another thread.

First I had heard of it as well.


43 posted on 03/23/2014 8:02:45 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Lower Deck

And is a factor in all the technology embedded in our silent services, or are you of the opinion the different skunk works brainiacs have no clue to those reaities? Nothing they do is easy and my characterization was meant solely as an analogy. Nothing more, nothing less.


44 posted on 03/23/2014 8:04:47 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: Candor7

I hate be the one to ruin the debris party for the media but the Boeing 777 does not take or use wooden pallets.

How do I know this you may ask? Mr. GG2 used to be a line chief at the Boeing plant in WA. They have a built in system of metal cargo containers that store all cargo that is loaded on the 777. Wooden pallets won’t fit, are not used and would damage the plane if they tried to use them.

Sooo like I said before “Meanwhile on an airstrip in W Pakistan”.


45 posted on 03/23/2014 9:11:29 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: All
The data from A.C.A.R.S. is now being interpreted as “NOT” being indicative of a preplanned programmimg.
46 posted on 03/23/2014 11:13:43 AM PDT by mulder1 ("The past is prologue")
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To: don-o

>>At what point were the pilots incapacitated and what was the cause? <<

I said the flight crew was probably incapacitated, not the pilot(s).

I still think it will come down to the senior pilot losing it and going rogue due to political events in Malaysia the day before he took off.


47 posted on 03/23/2014 12:04:01 PM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows

We need to start thinking outside the envelope!


48 posted on 03/23/2014 12:06:44 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Great info GG2. That takes the spin out of the MSM idjits who have not done their homework, and that deserves KUDOS TO YOU!


49 posted on 03/23/2014 6:00:36 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

CNN: Crew of Chinese plane searching for MH370 has spotted “suspicious objects” in south Indian Ocean, China’s state-run media reports.


50 posted on 03/23/2014 9:49:01 PM PDT by Kennard
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