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Workbook teaches kids that Second Amendment includes gun control
dailycaller.com ^ | 3/22/2014 | Robby Soave

Posted on 03/23/2014 6:03:07 AM PDT by rktman

A social studies workbook, used in an Illinois public middle school, is generating controversy among gun rights supporters because it claims that the Second Amendment permits only strictly regulated, registered gun ownership.

A screenshot of the workbook was first posted to the Facebook page for Illinois Gun Owners Rights. It provides the following description of the Second Amendment:

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: 2a; arth; banglist; guncontrol; illinois
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Yup. That's how I remember it. Oh, wait. No it's not. Talk about blatant liars. Who approves these texts? If you still got kids in school, or grandkids, make sure you check out their textbooks for this kind of crap. Maybe somewhere in these textbooks you'll even find out (finally) where the "right to an abortion" resides. I ain't found it anywhere yet.
1 posted on 03/23/2014 6:03:07 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

They’re falling back on their first amendment right to lie to kids.


2 posted on 03/23/2014 6:06:02 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: rktman

Just like “The First Amendment permits only strictly regulated, approved speech”?

Wonder if they would approve of the above statement?


3 posted on 03/23/2014 6:06:13 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: rktman

Two words:

Lexington and Concord


4 posted on 03/23/2014 6:07:13 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana

Two other words:

MOLON LABE!!


5 posted on 03/23/2014 6:11:23 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: rktman

It doesn’t matter who approved it. The fact that Leftists are in control of our schools tells me that entire generations of children are going to be indoctrinated to believe that gun rights don’t exist or are seriously curtailed. When they get older, and a school shooting or mass murder happens somewhere, the media will parrot the gun control lines, and these kids, now young adults, will wonder, “I thought that’s how it always was? Just do it!” At which point, gun rights will be stripped wholesale without so much as a whimper. I pray I’m long dead before that day comes.


6 posted on 03/23/2014 6:11:52 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: gusopol3
They’re falling back on their first amendment right to lie to kids.

And as every FReeper knows (and every commie regrets), without the Second Amenddment, the First Amendment can become meaningless overnight.

7 posted on 03/23/2014 6:13:21 AM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great -- until it happens to YOU..)
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To: Migraine

oops, looks like I amended the 2nd Amendment w/ an extra “d”


8 posted on 03/23/2014 6:14:27 AM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great -- until it happens to YOU..)
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To: rktman
"This amendment states that people have the right..."

Anyone who starts a sentence that way when describing the Constitution has absolutely NO understanding of the Constitution.

9 posted on 03/23/2014 6:14:27 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Truth sounds like hate...to those who hate truth.)
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To: metmom

Yet another reason...


10 posted on 03/23/2014 6:15:22 AM PDT by DoctorBulldog (I can't be a racist because, I can't stand Biden and Pelosi, either!)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

LOL! I’m surprised it didn’t say “...are ‘granted’ the right....”.


11 posted on 03/23/2014 6:16:36 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Redneck. Race: Daytona 500)
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To: PeteB570

Yes they would. They do not want free speech either, just permitted speech.


12 posted on 03/23/2014 6:19:18 AM PDT by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: rarestia
The fact that Leftists are in control of our schools tells me that entire generations of children are going to be indoctrinated to believe that gun rights don’t exist or are seriously curtailed.

Other than home schooling (which we did), we combat this crap by making sure sons and daughters, nieces and nephews, and all their little friends get some quality range time with .22s and tin cans.

Keep the gun culture alive!

13 posted on 03/23/2014 6:34:17 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: rktman
"This amendment states that people have the right to certain weapons, providing that they register them and have not been in prison. The founding fathers included the amendment to prevent the United States from acting like the British who had tried to take weapons away from the colonists."

As written, I don't believe the 2A could be interpreted as saying anything about "certain" weapons, saying anything about registration, or saying anything about prisons.

14 posted on 03/23/2014 6:42:18 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: rktman

Illinois is corrupt and broke too.


15 posted on 03/23/2014 6:49:40 AM PDT by GOPJ (NASA: N othing A bout S pace A nymore - - FreperClearCase_guy)
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To: rktman

As the parent of a murdered child, this is asinine. My son was beat to death with a 2 ft section of fence post with in 2-300 yards from home behind the old ice plant just up over the RR tracks. Just so some Sociopath could SEE what it felt like to kill. Bad plea deal, he now walks a free man in TN or where ever he wants to go. I CCW! GET OUT OF MY 2nd A rights, I am his number 1 target.

PUT YOUR SELF IN THIS MOTHERS SHOES for just one minute. 20 years of appeals, 4 years in the trial phases, the 24th year of Nikki’s death is upon us. Still NO JUSTICE 2 JURIES handed down!

CALL TO ACTION. This 8 year old little girl needs Justice. Please READ HE HAS RUN OUT ALL APPEALS AND THERE IS DNA PROOF! 20 years of appeals!

Ashely Nichole Read raped, strangled to death with her own shoe laces and body thrown in river, 2 juries have handed down the Death Penalty, all appeals have run out. 20 years on Death Row, = NO JUSTICE FOR Nikki or her mom Debbie

This CHILD RAPIST/KILLER HAS RUN OUT OF ALL 20 YRS OF APPEALS, DNA PROOF, 2 juries have handed down the same sentence. TN GOV Halsam still has NOT SET AN EXECUTION DATE OR SIGNED A DEATH WARRANT. bill.haslam@tn.gov 615 741-2001

David Keen
http://murderpedia.org/male.K/k/keen-david.htm

I have stated several times ALL HIS APPEALS HAVE RUN OUT AND DNA PROVED HE DID IT! SO YOU LAWYERS DON’T GET YOU PANTIES IN A WAD ABOUT HIS RIGHTS HE HAS HAD THEM ALL TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW. IT IS TIME FOR JUSTICE. HE HAS HAD ALL THE LAW RIGHTS AND APPEALS the LAW ALLOWS AND MORE! INCLUDING MENTAL EVALS!


16 posted on 03/23/2014 6:51:18 AM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: GailA

I am so sorry.


17 posted on 03/23/2014 6:56:52 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: GailA

My heart aches for you. You and your family are in my prayers.

The man who murdered my best friend is in for life but he has sent his girlfriend to find me and ‘talk to me’.

Not cool.


18 posted on 03/23/2014 7:01:02 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: rktman

Maybe they are using the rules in Illinois. However, if they are they should not use Second Amendment to explain it, but say, this is how the Second Amendment works, but here in Illinois, we do it this way and explain the state law. That would be the fair way to do it, but of course, liberals don’t play fair.


19 posted on 03/23/2014 7:01:31 AM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: GailA

Well GailA, you have left me at a loss for words.


20 posted on 03/23/2014 7:03:40 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Redneck. Race: Daytona 500)
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To: grobdriver
I homeschooled 3 of my children, too.

However....The indoctrination of the next generation of our nation's children is bigger than our kids. The votes of our children will be swamped by the tsunami of the ill-informed.

Nearly every teacher in this nation was trained by godless Marxists in Marxist run colleges and education. This is also true for private schooling. While surely not every teacher is a Marxist, their training does leak through into the classroom, curriculum, and school policies.

While conservatives and Christians run around like flies chasing the latest political issue of the day, the Marxists are laughing at us. They have the kids.

21 posted on 03/23/2014 7:10:02 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: rarestia

You are one of the few who “get it”.

While conservatives and Christians run around like ants who have had their ant hill kicked, chasing one political issue after another, the Marxists laugh. They have the kids.


22 posted on 03/23/2014 7:11:40 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Exactly. It drives me nuts when some libtard starts a debate about the 2A with what it does or doesn’t grant. WRONG! The 2A does not grant anything. It expressly forbids the government from infringing on our rights. To me that means restrictions on features, magazines, calibre, ammunition, styles, background checks, training requirements, locks, permits to carry, etc are all unconstitutional.


23 posted on 03/23/2014 7:12:45 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: napscoordinator

The point is that a lesson on the Bill of Rights should cover what is actually in the Amendment language - not what this or that state has done in any area related to the enumerated rights.

Actually, in a way, I would like to see a lesson on the Declaration covering the inalienable rights - life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Consistency would require “However the right to life is routinely denied to babies in their mothers wombs as well as certain helpless people with medical conditions. Various powers and jurisdictions may deny this right to these individuals. Expansion of this power, for the greater, good is ongoing”


24 posted on 03/23/2014 7:13:14 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: rktman
Who approves the texts? Answer: Communists!

Yes, the NRA, conservatives, and Christians may be able to suppress this one text in this one school. But....It's like playing Wack-A-Mole at the county fair. As the communists pop back into their hole another will pop up elsewhere.

What is needed is fundamental change!

Work to completely shut down compulsory K-12 government schooling. It is EVIL. It is a godless single-payer, and socialist-entitlement. It is our nation's and freedom's MOST serious threat. Seriously!

25 posted on 03/23/2014 7:15:32 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: rktman

Every human being in history was born with the right to effectively defend themself from those more powerful, more numerous and less-principled than themselves.

The Second Amendment merely protects that right; it does not grant the right.


26 posted on 03/23/2014 7:16:27 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

You are right.

So?....What do we do about the problem of communists indoctrinating our nation’s children and future voters?


27 posted on 03/23/2014 7:18:56 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: DuncanWaring

Yup. Sadly the progressives keep pushing that “rights” are granted even though “we” know better.


28 posted on 03/23/2014 7:19:04 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Redneck. Race: Daytona 500)
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To: don-o

You are right.

So?....What can be done about the Marxist indoctrination of the nation’s children and its future voters?


29 posted on 03/23/2014 7:20:49 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: metmom
Another Reason to Homeschool

Metmom, I am exasperated! Godless, single-payer, and socialist-entitlement schooling is EVIL. Yet,....Day after day these abominations are stuffed full to the brim with the children of conservatives and Christians.

I call them SS indoctrination centers. ( Single-payer and Socialist-entitlement “schools”)

In many counties and even entire states, if Christians and conservatives simply removed their kids from these SS indoctrination centers, the entire corrupt system of government SS indoctrination would **immediately** collapse!

30 posted on 03/23/2014 7:25:10 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: rktman

Some, even on our side, claim that Amendment Two protects only the right to own non-crew-operated infantry weapons.

Were that the case, how would one implement a Letter of Marque issued by Congress under Article I Section 8 of the Constitution? That generally required an Eighteenth-century equivalent of a battleship, complete with cannon and crew.


31 posted on 03/23/2014 7:34:04 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: rktman
Communist Goals (1963), Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

IMHO the Commies have been highly successful in their stated goals of taking over the US, without firing a shot.
32 posted on 03/23/2014 7:38:25 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: DuncanWaring

There were also a number of privately owned forts (generally called stockades) built complete with cannons both built by and staffed by civilians.


33 posted on 03/23/2014 7:45:03 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: rktman

Parents, get your children out of these marxist public indoctrination centers.


34 posted on 03/23/2014 8:23:13 AM PDT by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Thanks rktman.
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Period.
35 posted on 03/23/2014 8:25:31 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: DoctorBulldog; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

36 posted on 03/23/2014 9:46:04 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: wintertime

That’s one of our major problems as a nation. Taking back the schools and the media is going to be an incredibly arduous task. It will likely take several generations to undo the damage done by the left.

In the grand scheme of history, however, we should all realize that civilizations have generally defaulted to tyranny. Promises of protection and prosperity are common to every era of human history. Humanity has a very high tolerance for pain, unfortunately it’s often to their detriment and death.


37 posted on 03/23/2014 10:22:42 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
How will “taking back” schools that are fundamentally a single-payer, compulsory-use socialist entitlement do any good?

The very foundation upon which government schooling is built is socialist-entitlement that is single-payer, compulsory-use, and compulsory-funded.

This can't be reformed. It must be abolished and replaced with private schools that are not brick and mortar based and run like prisons.

38 posted on 03/23/2014 10:27:04 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime
Yes, the NRA, conservatives, and Christians may be able to suppress this one text in this one school. But....It's like playing Wack-A-Mole at the county fair. As the communists pop back into their hole another will pop up elsewhere.

I would not be very surprised to find out the NRA gave some support to the text — notice how their primary focus is on scar-tactics to raise money.

39 posted on 03/23/2014 11:19:13 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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40 posted on 03/23/2014 12:19:14 PM PDT by DoctorBulldog (I can't be a racist because, I can't stand Biden and Pelosi, either!)
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To: metmom

If Common Core is NOT stopped Home schooling will get outlawed. It will even effect private schools.


41 posted on 03/23/2014 2:19:10 PM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: metmom

College Students Learn Common Core Math (video)
http://conservativevideos.com/2014/03/college-students-learn-common-core-math/

Hollywood Actress: Public Schools Are Brainwashing Kids With ‘Progressive Agenda’
http://blog.heritage.org/2014/03/02/hollywood-actress-public-schools-brainwashing-kids-progressive-agenda/?utm_source=heritagefoundation&utm_medium=email&utm_term=headline&utm_content=140308&utm_campaign=saturday

“Of course school is the most political, because that’s where the progressive agenda is coming out the strongest and the hardest,” said Sorbo.

Sorbo said she was hesitant to reveal her faith or political beliefs publicly because of possible backlash and negative reaction from Hollywood.

But she could not remain silent on education.

“You people who send your kids to school, you have no idea what the schools are doing to their fresh little brains, in brainwashing them into this progressive, liberal—it’s antithetical to America, the agenda that they’re being indoctrinated with,” Sorbo said.

Bill Gates Tries to Fashion Teacher Support for His Beloved Common Core
http://deutsch29.wordpress.com/2014/03/14/bill-gates-tries-to-fashion-teacher-support-for-his-beloved-common-core/?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=twitterfeed

National Takeover of School Curriculum
http://www.eagleforum.org/publications/column/national-takeover-school-curriculum.html

8 reasons against Common Core
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/eight-problems-with-common-core-standards/2012/08/21/821b300a-e4e7-11e1-8f62-58260e3940a0_blog.html

Exposing Common Core
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW2Xj6JrERc

An Outline of The Political Significance of the Common Core
http://www.markgarrison.net/archives/1198

Jeb Bush backs Common Core in TN visit
http://knoxblogs.com/humphreyhill/2014/03/19/jeb-bush-backs-common-core-tn-visit/#more-13351

What is the Problem with Common Core?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJIrD1iJLjs

Stopping Common Core National Standards and Tests
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g384XeKPnqY

MLA Hates Common Core
http://www.academia.org/mla-hates-common-core/

Revolt against the testing tyrants
http://michellemalkin.com/2014/03/19/revolt-against-the-testing-tyrants/

this one has links in it.

Why Is Bill Gates Asked to Defend Common Core Math Standards?
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/17/Why-Is-Non-Mathematician-Bill-Gates-Asked-To-Defend-The-Common-Core-Math-Standards

Jeb Bush backs Common Core in TN visit
http://knoxblogs.com/humphreyhill/2014/03/19/jeb-bush-backs-common-core-tn-visit/#more-13351

Revolt against the testing tyrants
http://michellemalkin.com/2014/03/19/revolt-against-the-testing-tyrants/

this one has links in it.

Why Is Bill Gates Asked to Defend Common Core Math Standards?
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/17/Why-Is-Non-Mathematician-Bill-Gates-Asked-To-Defend-The-Common-Core-Math-Standards
This one is what our own state purposes to install.

TN Student Speaks Out About Common Core
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PprP5TCZBRI

TN Common Core
http://www.tncore.org/

IF you wish more information the place you will find it is right in your state’s, Eagle Forum Daily news letter.


42 posted on 03/23/2014 2:21:41 PM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: GailA
Common Core is merely icing on a poop cake. The poop cake is that government schooling is single-payer, compulsory-use, and socialist-entitlement schooling. It is currently godless and never offered better than a lukewarm and generic Protestant worldview. Such schools are fundamentally EVIL.

The Marxists love it when conservatives run around like ants whose hill has been kicked over issues like Common Core. Conservatives are in a dither about how the icing on the poop cake is smeared. In the meantime, the Marxists continue to hold the nation's kids in indoctrination centers that are godless. Children in these indoctrination centers risk learning that any voting mob powerful enough to give them tuition-free schooling is powerful enough to give them **lots** of “free” stuff.

To have any hope of saving this nation the government's K-12 indoctrination centers **MUST** be shut down and conservatives must **seriously** find ways to deliver a private and conservative education to all of the nation's children.

The Marxists are laughing at us. They have the kids.

43 posted on 03/23/2014 3:10:07 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: GailA

I just did a Google search on the Eagle Forum to see if they are calling for the complete shut down of government K-12 schooling. I found nothing.

Seems to me, with regard to Common Core, the Eagle Forum is calling for a rearrangement of the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Very frustrating when even the Eagle Forum fails to “get it”.


44 posted on 03/23/2014 3:16:19 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: rktman

Back in the ‘60’s, my textbook said the 2nd amendment didn’t include individual gun ownership.


45 posted on 03/23/2014 8:20:38 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

LOL! Sumpin’s wrong. You remember the 60’s?


46 posted on 03/23/2014 9:32:14 PM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Redneck. Race: Daytona 500)
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To: rktman

LOL! Yes. But I don’t remember the ‘50’s.


47 posted on 03/23/2014 10:05:05 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: wintertime

Education used to be run by the states and was never a federally-managed institution. It’s only since the department of education was founded in 1979 that schools have taken such a sharp turn for the worst.


48 posted on 03/24/2014 4:41:54 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: DoctorBulldog
Is there a larger picture? I can't quite read the words in the cartoon ... and that's usually where they put the real propaganda.
49 posted on 03/24/2014 4:56:48 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: rarestia
Yes, I agree that remove federal control would be an improvement.

Even if government school districts were the size of a city block or suburban subdivision, there would still be irresolvable problems.

Problems:

1) It is impossible to have a religiously, culturally, and politically neutral education. Even if Single-payer and socialist-entitlement school districts ( SS schools) were the size of suburban subdivision, some citizens would be forced ( that means police and court threat) to fund an educational worldview that is abhorrant to them.

2) The children in SS schools ( even if totally controlled by small districts) risk learning that any voting mob powerful enough to give them tuition-free schooling is powerful enough to give them **lots** of “free” stuff. It only took one to three generations of locally controlled SS schooling to produce voter comfortable enough with socialism to give the nation Franklin D. Roosevelt.

3) Also,....SS schooling has **always** been controlled by Progressives. They have always trained the teachers and developed the curriculum. They have always been pushing at the bounderies of society's morals and ethics. Why would that change? It was that way even when school districts were locally controlled in the early 1900s.

Government schooling from its beginnings in the mid-1800s to early 1900s has always been a single-payer, compulsory-use, compulsory-funded socialist entitlement. Locally controlled socialism is still compulsory socialism. It inevitably moves toward greater and greater centralization.

50 posted on 03/24/2014 11:54:35 AM PDT by wintertime
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