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The Catholic Roots of Obama’s Activism (Marxist roots, plus first name of 1988 girlfriend?)
New York Times ^ | March 22, 2014 | JASON HOROWITZ

Posted on 03/23/2014 3:01:21 PM PDT by Seizethecarp

This Thursday, Mr. Obama will meet with Pope Francis at the Vatican after a three-decade divergence with the church. By the late 1980s, the Catholic hierarchy had taken a conservative turn that de-emphasized social engagement and elevated the culture wars that would eventually cast Mr. Obama as an abortion-supporting enemy. Mr. Obama, who went on to find his own faith with the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.’s Trinity United Church of Christ, drifted from his youthful, church-backed activism to become a pragmatic politician and the president with a terrorist “kill list.” The meeting this week is a potential point of confluence.

A White House accustomed to archbishop antagonists hopes the president will find a strategic ally and kindred spirit in a pope who preaches a gospel of social justice and inclusion. Mr. Obama’s old friends in the priesthood pray that Francis will discover a president freed from concerns about re-election and willing to rededicate himself to the vulnerable.

But the Vatican — aware that Mr. Obama has far more to gain from the encounter than the pope does, and wary of being used for American political consumption — warns that this will hardly be like the 1982 meeting at which President Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul II agreed to fight Communism in Eastern Europe.

As in many reunions, expectations, and the possibility for disappointment, run high.

As Mr. Obama helped expand the program from Catholic parishes to megachurches and Protestant congregations, he felt that need slaked by the prevailing black liberation theology, inspired by the civil rights movement and preached by African-American ministers like Mr. Wright of Trinity. The notion that Jesus delivered salvation to communities that expressed faith through good deeds suited Mr. Obama’s instincts — and perhaps his interests.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: alinski; indonesia; kenyanbornmuzzie; liberationtheology; naturalborncitizen; obama; pakistan; romancatholicism
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No mention that Black Liberation Theology is both Marxist and racist...
1 posted on 03/23/2014 3:01:21 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp
such total BS....traditional Catholics believe in marriage between a man and woman, they believe in children, lots of them, they believe abortion is murder....

I'm sure whatever happens it'll be twisted by a weak pope intent on being popular, not Catholic..

2 posted on 03/23/2014 3:04:16 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Seizethecarp

Nor that Obama has set himself against the fundamental teachings of the RC church.
This will be a bad move for Obama.
The Pope will bring wrath upon Obama.


3 posted on 03/23/2014 3:07:16 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Hey zippy have a candid conversation about abortion


4 posted on 03/23/2014 3:09:43 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (Im missing a jumbo jet with 235 passengers has anyone seen it?)
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To: Louis Foxwell
The Pope will bring wrath upon Obama.

Don't hold your breath on that one.
6 posted on 03/23/2014 3:10:56 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: Seizethecarp

Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?

I DO.


7 posted on 03/23/2014 3:10:56 PM PDT by Ray76 (Profit from the mistakes of others, you'll never live long enough to make them all yourself.)
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To: LucyT; null and void; Cold Case Posse Supporter; Flotsam_Jetsome; circumbendibus; Fantasywriter; ...

NY Times tries to explain to readers how Catholic enemy Barry could have been nurtured in the “social justice” wing of the church and how to spin his meeting with Pope Francis.

There may be a revelation that Barry’s girlfriend in 1988 was named Saila. In the article there is this reference to Barry dating “another woman”:

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“He was a man of integrity, very much to my disappointment,” joked Cynthia Norris, then the director of the Chicago Archdiocese’s black Catholics office, who found the young Mr. Obama appealing. The future president, who was dating another woman, did turn to Ms. Norris for a Harvard Law School recommendation, and kept in touch during a trip to Europe in 1988.

“I wander around Paris, the most beautiful, alluring, maddening city I’ve ever seen; one is tempted to chuck the whole organizing/political business and be a painter” on the banks of the Seine, Mr. Obama scribbled to Ms. Norris, along with “Love, Barack,” on one side of a postcard. On the other was a picture of the Cathedral of Notre-Dame.

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The picture image of the postcard is provided and it mentions that Ms Norris something in his mailbox (probably money) and he says “I trust Saila retrieved it.”

The reference to “Saila” by name was left out of the text of the article but reference to Barry dating “another woman” was included directly in context!

I couldn’t make out the “S” in Saila at first and didn’t recognize it as a name, male or female, but after an internet search it is a very rare girls name. The rarity should aid in finding out who this person was.

See:

http://www.babycenter.com/baby-names-saila-222895.htm

Saila

Gender: Girl;

“Popularity Rank Among BabyCenter Members”

http://www.babycenter.com/babyNameAllPops.htm?babyNameId=222895


8 posted on 03/23/2014 3:11:28 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp; null and void; Velveeta; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; Myrddin; MamaDearest; autumnraine; ..
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NY Times tries to explain to readers how Catholic enemy Barry could have been nurtured in the “social justice” wing of the church and how to spin his meeting with Pope Francis.

There may be a revelation that Barry’s girlfriend in 1988 was named Saila. In the article there is this reference to Barry dating “another woman”

0key-dokey.

Thanks, Seizethecarp.

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9 posted on 03/23/2014 3:18:45 PM PDT by LucyT (If you're NOT paranoid, you don't know what's going on.)
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Yeah, the pro-abort, pro-homosexual marriage Barry will find the Pope in agreement. Yeah.


10 posted on 03/23/2014 3:23:34 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Horse pucky. Some forgotten girlfriend—if there was such a person—26 years ago?

The NY Times never misses a chance to bash the Catholic Church, because they know the Church is probably the most implacable enemy of their political dreams—abortion, gay marriage, sexualization of kindergartners, and all the rest of it.

Yes, there are a lot of pretty feeble bishops out there, who could do their jobs a lot better, but the church is still their main enemy.


11 posted on 03/23/2014 3:28:15 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Probably another composite character, just like the person using the Obama identity.


12 posted on 03/23/2014 3:29:36 PM PDT by Ray76 (Profit from the mistakes of others, you'll never live long enough to make them all yourself.)
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To: Seizethecarp

What nationality or ethnic group uses the name?


13 posted on 03/23/2014 3:34:07 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: hoosiermama

“What nationality or ethnic group uses the name?”

I haven’t had time to look, yet but if it was African American I would expect there would be thousands with “creative” variants.

In the Maraniss bio Barry was supposedly still dating white women at this time, IIRC.

There is only one comment from a mom with a “blonde haired, blue-eyed” girl at this site:

http://www.babycenter.com/baby-names-saila-222895.htm

bexyjean says

“I named my daughter Saila in 2003. She is 6 now, and everyone says “what a pretty name”. She is blonde haired, blue-eyed. Sometimes people miss pronounce it or misspell it, eventhough it is phonetical, but it is usually not much of a problem. I’m really happy with the name choice.”


14 posted on 03/23/2014 3:43:39 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp
This visit may just be for show and political gain on obama's part, but what he brings upon himself will depend upon him and his heart, as well as his intentions.

For his sake, I hope he can find some humble to wear for the occasion. I doubt bemused arrogance will go well for him.

15 posted on 03/23/2014 3:44:22 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: LucyT

Sadiq
Malik
Malia

Saila??

I’m confused. ;)


16 posted on 03/23/2014 3:45:39 PM PDT by maggief
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To: hoosiermama

Indian name mainly, it seems.


17 posted on 03/23/2014 3:45:39 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Seizethecarp

The only thing “Catholic” about Obama’s “social engagement” is the fact that the pro-abortion, homosexual Cardinal Joseph Bernardin was involved in supporting Obama’s early career in Chicago.


18 posted on 03/23/2014 3:47:37 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Louis Foxwell

Unlikely.

This Pope knows or cares nothing about North America. His most trusted U.S. advisers are abortionist-coddling bishops, Wuerl and O’Malley especially.


19 posted on 03/23/2014 3:49:27 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Seizethecarp

Ignorant tripe from a used rag of a paper.


20 posted on 03/23/2014 3:50:36 PM PDT by grimalkin (We are a nation under God. If we ever forget this, we are a nation gone under. -Ronald Reagan)
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To: Seizethecarp
(a previous visit)


21 posted on 03/23/2014 3:51:25 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: maggief

Malaria?
Sharia?


22 posted on 03/23/2014 3:51:26 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Seizethecarp
Seize, Thanks as always for the pings. As I look at the image, I find myself thinking "Sheila" is the name he has written on the postcard.

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/03/23/us/SUB-jpCATHOLIC6/SUB-jpCATHOLIC6-superJumbo.jpg
23 posted on 03/23/2014 4:01:32 PM PDT by ecinkc (Onaka, Fukino, Okubo, Corley, Guthrie, Abercrombie, Nagamine, Romo and Malihi: The Usurper Cabal)
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To: ecinkc

Yes, it’s “Sheila.” And the Harvard grad can’t spell “Seine.”

This guy couldn’t even write a simple postcard without dropping in a reference to community organizing and politics. What an insufferable marxist jerk.


24 posted on 03/23/2014 4:08:22 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Heeh!


25 posted on 03/23/2014 4:10:28 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: ecinkc

It looks like that to me as well.


26 posted on 03/23/2014 4:12:23 PM PDT by windcliff
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To: ifinnegan

Paaahkey -Stan? Someone he met there or reason to go there to meet her family?


27 posted on 03/23/2014 4:12:49 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: ecinkc
As I look at the image, I find myself thinking "Sheila" is the name he has written on the postcard.

See, I would've guessed Gail, but when he wrote Gails, as in Gail has retrieved it, he left out the Apostrophe..Gail's retrieved it..

28 posted on 03/23/2014 4:15:58 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: Seizethecarp

I have to run, but wanted to quickly mention that a brief 2009 article (which perhaps the NY Times cited—didn’t have the time to check) was written about the postcard by C. Norris’ sister on page 13 (of 20) of the pdf found here: http://catholic-sf.org/files/digital_paper_200901273306.pdf

Interestingly, the mention of Sheila was also excised in preference for ellipsis in the 2009 article.


29 posted on 03/23/2014 4:18:36 PM PDT by ecinkc (Onaka, Fukino, Okubo, Corley, Guthrie, Abercrombie, Nagamine, Romo and Malihi: The Usurper Cabal)
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To: LucyT

Shanika was from the wrong side of the track and couldnt deal with his esoteric crap and mind numbing plum.

She did understand her dream man was a bore and more interested in making himself feel good by regurgitating the words of those who would act as a proxy for his shallow views .

She also came to knowing he cuz a fait and no amount of flowery quotes from Dostyeski or Marx was going to give her what she needed...a baby so she could get on the Welfare Train! While dreamin about Don Cornelious from that other train.

No, she kicked Barry life a bad habit, picked up the crack pipe and one night, in a drug induced haze, pulled a train and got her first baby.

Barry wanted to know if he could Di anything to help.

“Get much baby some pampers,bitch !”

Well, that scared the hell out of Barry and forever put him off to women.

He ran to the bath house and into the comforting arms of Bruno . A swarthy and hairy man, who had always been special

from there we don’t know much more about Barack’s dating life.


30 posted on 03/23/2014 4:31:47 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Seizethecarp

“The meeting this week is a potential point of confluence.”

Most likely true. Obama and Francis the pope have a lot in
common. They both support gay marriage (civil unions is the
code words for the pope) and are part of the homosexual
agenda.
My guess is that they will get along just fine and walk
away agreeing on most everything. After all they are both
liberal, have their hand out and are against capitalism.

How does a dog make a living? By being your best friend.
How does a liberal make a living? By lying convincingly about
being your best friend.


31 posted on 03/23/2014 4:32:05 PM PDT by Slambat
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To: Meet the New Boss

Yes. Totally Sheila.


32 posted on 03/23/2014 4:35:31 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: Louis Foxwell

“The Pope will bring wrath upon Obama.”

That’s a good one. Most likely Obama has the goods of the
pro-civil union, anti-capitalist Francis the pope. With the
help of the NSA, FBI and CIA Obama may very well bring
wrath down on the pope.


33 posted on 03/23/2014 4:37:21 PM PDT by Slambat
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The Pope will bring wrath upon Obama.

I'd be satisfied if the Pope would splash Zero with an ounce or two of holy water. In fact, I'd pay to see it.

34 posted on 03/23/2014 4:45:16 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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“I’d be satisfied if the Pope would splash Zero with an ounce or two of holy water.”

Why an ounce or two. With 400k gallons of holy water you
could generate enough stem to power Chitcago.


35 posted on 03/23/2014 4:55:42 PM PDT by Slambat
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To: ecinkc

‘Sheila’ was Barry’s dog. That’s why he said she ‘retrieved’ it.

Just kidding. ‘Retrieve’ is an odd word to use under those circumstances, though.


36 posted on 03/23/2014 4:58:23 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Seizethecarp

Seems to me Barry was looking for a paycheck and something to do. As a young Choom Ganger, this fit the bill. I suspect he buffaloed them the same way he fools everyone - “Keep your health insurance, anyone?”


37 posted on 03/23/2014 5:02:48 PM PDT by majormaturity
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To: Seizethecarp

C’mon man, where’s the BARF ALERT???


38 posted on 03/23/2014 5:16:18 PM PDT by castowell (War is thus an act of force to compel our enemy to do our will - Von Clausewitz)
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To: hoosiermama

I found one Finnish female Saila...

Translation of Wiki page:

http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saila_Saari

Saila Saare is a “Finnish professional ice hockey player, who plays as a striker. (s)He plays with the Springfield Falcons women’s League team.”


39 posted on 03/23/2014 5:17:36 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: ecinkc; Meet the New Boss; Mercat; sockmonkey

“As I look at the image, I find myself thinking ‘Sheila’ is the name he has written on the postcard.”

Our brains are hardwired to substitute the familiar for the unfamiliar. My brain “saw” the name as “Gaila” as first.

On the postcard Barry writes the word “mail” right above Saila and the “ail” in mail and the “ail” in Saila are spot-on identical to my eye.

There is no space for an “h” between the “S” and “a” of what appears to be Saila and the “a” would have to be a mis-written “e” for Sheila to work assuming a squished “h” is between the “S” and presumed “e”.


40 posted on 03/23/2014 5:26:23 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: matthew fuller; Jim Robinson; administrator; All
I just came across this from American Free Press-

"American Free Press" is a neo-Nazi, anti-Jewish source. It is (or was) run by Willis Carto and is the successor to the "Liberty Lobby" and its newspaper The Spotlight.

Nothing of Carto's belongs on Free Republic.

41 posted on 03/23/2014 5:28:40 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Lol I’m trying to picture this Grunhildah in my mind. He/she would be about right for 0 Fit right in to whatever mood 0 was in that night!


42 posted on 03/23/2014 5:28:53 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: majormaturity

“Seems to me Barry was looking for a paycheck and something to do. As a young Choom Ganger, this fit the bill.”

Hmmmm...I wonder what Barry and the priest were smoking up on the roof? Seems rather out of the way for just a cigarette...

From the article:

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Mr. Obama had a small office with two cloudy glass-block windows on the ground floor of Holy Rosary, a handsome red brick parish on the South Side, where he would pop down the hall to the office of the Rev. William Stenzel, raise a phantom cigarette to his lips and ask, “Want to go out for lunch?” Besides sneaking smoke breaks with the priest on the roof, Mr. Obama listened to him during Mass.

As the president’s relations with Catholic leaders reached their nadir, Father Stenzel, Mr. Obama’s old smoke-break friend, visited the White House. As they walked into the Oval Office, Mr. Obama joked to his staff that the priest had given him his first office in Chicago. Father Stenzel reminded him that his old surroundings were far humbler: “The office I gave you had two rows of glass-block windows!”

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43 posted on 03/23/2014 5:42:41 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

I found another Finnish woman and numerous Indian women named Saila.

No AAs, yet...


44 posted on 03/23/2014 5:57:14 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: hoosiermama; LucyT; null and void; Cold Case Posse Supporter; Flotsam_Jetsome; circumbendibus; ...

I did a search on Saila “born” 1961 (as a first try to find one about Barry’s age) and found a Swedish Member of Riksdag (parliament), Saila Quicklund. She is blond and blue-eyed, and is VERY easy on the eyes. It might be a while before I can look into whether she was in Chicago in 1988...

http://www.riksdagen.se/en/Members-and-parties/Members/Ledamoter/Quicklund-Saila-0519740099915/

Maybe a FReeper got at pics can put her photo up...


45 posted on 03/23/2014 6:07:07 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp; ecinkc; Meet the New Boss; Mercat; sockmonkey

It’s Sheila.

Near the bottom, he writes “Siene” and the bottom of the ‘S’ swings over , right into the top of the ‘i’.

In “Sheila”, he brings the bottom of the ‘S’ straight up the the top of the ‘h’, which he then brings straight down. The it comes back up to the right at a 45 degree angle. It then comes down and curves back up and loops around completing a squished ‘e’. A number of his lower case ‘e’ are like that.

If the vertical line at the right of the ‘S’ is not the start of an ‘h’ the what it it. If it’s a ‘G’, it’s a VERY strange ‘G’. Or a figure ‘8’?

The ‘a’ in ‘mail’ is not the same as the character in the disputed name. Look at the ‘a’ in ‘maddening’ and ‘political.’ He makes them the same way he maid the ‘a’ in ‘mailbox.’ Some of his ‘a’ he writes the normal way. That is, he starts at the top and goes counter-clockwise around until he hits the starting point and then he curves back down to the right, as in ‘wander’ and ‘painter.’

But, since he is left-handed, that is probably awkward for him, so he makes other of his ‘a’ by coming in from the bottom and going counter-clockwise more than all the way around, but just a bit past there, he changes direction and moves the pen into the next letter. As in ‘mailbox’, ‘maddening’, and ‘political.’

Now look again at the first ‘a’ in your ‘Gaila’. It is not all all like the ‘a’ in ‘mailbox.’ I comes in low from the left and loops all the way around, but doesn’t make that little hitch as he does in ‘mailbox.’ As far as I can tell, only one of his ‘e’, the second one in ‘seen’ looks like an the ‘a’ in ‘mailbox.’ They are smooth, while the ‘a’ often have the hitch. The one in ‘mailbox’ needs it since it has to go over to the right to start the ‘i’.

The little loop to the left of the ‘i’ in the name is clearly different from his letter ‘a’. It is ‘e’, which follows ‘h’.


46 posted on 03/23/2014 6:08:23 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault
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To: Seizethecarp; ecinkc; Meet the New Boss; Mercat; sockmonkey

Excuse my misspellings and incorrect words. I was typing as fast as I could so I didn’t lose my train of thought.

Then, I posted without proofreading, which was a dumb thing to do with a complex argument.

Sorry.


47 posted on 03/23/2014 6:11:32 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault
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To: Zionist Conspirator; Jim Robinson; administrator

Thanks for the information- I was not familiar with that site, I actually found the article at texasconservativenews.com. I began having misgivings about the site after my post and then looking around there. I will not go back there again.


48 posted on 03/23/2014 6:12:16 PM PDT by matthew fuller (No, I don't miss GWB- I miss Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Soebarkah is queer.


49 posted on 03/23/2014 6:16:33 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: Seizethecarp

So the the postcard from France was actually mailed from Spain? Look at the stamps.


50 posted on 03/23/2014 6:25:16 PM PDT by Sicvee (Sicvee)
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