Posted on 03/24/2014 5:53:43 AM PDT by lodi90
A prominent Russian politician has proposed dividing Ukraine along the lines of an infamous Nazi-Soviet pact and suggested that regions in Western Ukraine hold referendums on breaking away from Kiev.
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If people do not feel safe in Nazi controlled ukraine they should annex to Russia. Dittoes Alaska. Socialist USA.
It was a Russian “Nazi” making this proposal. Not a Ukrainian “nazi”. Your problem is you can’t see the irony in your statement.
Galicia, Volhynia, and Eastern Ruthenia SHOULD secede from Ukraine and join the EU, and NATO if they wish.
A lot of central and eastern european borders are FUBAR. I think it’s better to let sleeping dogs lie than start some more shooting wars over them.
Interesting that Zhirinovsky did not offer Vilnius to Poland. I guess they plan on keeping that one!
I get that... but the Russians are showing some interest in Estonia... that becomes a problem, because Estonia is a NATO nation.
But you don't get to choose.
But NATO is a fiction, and has been for 20 years.
The danger to Estonia is that it may be in Putin's interest to expose the fraud, which he could do at very low cost at that location.
OTOH, I doubt that causing the world to see that NATO exists on paper only alone is worth the dusty bones of a single Russian trooper.
Watch Merkel. The Germans have a lot to lose in the current state of affairs, but they have a lot to gain, potentially, as well.
Ukrainian neo-Nazis several weeks ago called for the taking of Polish territory for the new Ukraine. A more logical change would be Lvov returning to Poland.
People can term NATO "fiction" all you want, but these countries entered into that structure with security guarantees.
Which guarantees are worthless.
As the old saying used to go, "With the Russians in Frankfurt, the deutschmark is toilet paper".
There is not a single European state, with the possible exception of Germany, that would shed blood over Estonia.
And, given that Germany is a possible exception, I expect Putin and Merkel to reach an understanding before this goes too much further.
All Russia wants is half of what is left. Of course a month from now they’ll be back and ask for half of the remaining. This will continue until there’s not enough of Ukraine left to put an outhouse.
Democracy in action, the Arab Spring was so glorious( sarc.)thanks to Obama and now we have a Slavic Spring too, an unanticipated extra! After all Saint Obama started it!
From the leftist POV Putin is doing what Obama did , but in this case it is art imitating garbage. Putin annexed Crimea firing only 2 rifle shots at Sevastapool.No way Obama can even come close to that, because Obama had jihadists attack his own people in Benghazi to thumb his fascist nose at the U.S. military industrial complex.....WOW!(No contest /S.) At least Putin does not betray his own on the face of it.And this is way far from over, Pooty is just getting started.
I predict Obama may get so desperate he will call in G. W. Bush as a special envoy to Russia, Pooty and Bush actually enjoyed each others company.
Ukraine should respond in kind to Russia, but in this case, call for Russia to relinquish territories that are not majority Russian. They could even throw a lug wrench into things by calling for the “repatriation” of Siberia with China. The twist here is that the Chinese have quietly been sending a lot of Chinese into eastern Siberia, to demographically take it over, which has been bugging Moscow.
And... since NATO's establishment, how many of its member nations were overrun by the Soviets during Cold War?
An insanely stupid comment: “Zhirinovsky often is the voice of Putin.”
That’s like saying, “Buchanan is often the voice of Bush.”
~Zhirinovsky, whose nationalist Liberal Democratic party largely backs President Vladimir Putin in the Russian parliament, sent the letter as Russia annexed the Crimea region of southern Ukraine last week.
He is deputy speaker at the Duma and his party holds a minority in the parliament. But his ideas and language resonate with a large part of the Russian population and the Kremlin’s increasingly pro-nationalist rhetoric....
...His letter, seen by Reuters, suggested Poland, Hungary and Romania, who are now in the European Union, might wish to take back regions which he said were in the past their territories....
...The regions were incorporated into Ukraine when it was part of the Soviet Union at the end of World War Two and featured in a secret annex of the 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop pact under which the Soviet and Nazi German foreign ministers carved up the area...
“It’s never too late to correct historical errors,” Zhirinovsky wrote.
....Zhirinovsky proposed Ukraine’s Chernivtsi, Zakarpattia, Volyn, Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Rovensky regions, together with Poland, Romania and Hungary hold referendums on whether the regions should break away from Ukraine.
Romania might wish to have Chernivtsi, Hungary the Zakarpattia region, and Poland the rest, he said.~
It seems like they are in agreement with you.
This is going to get worse before it gets better, if it ever gets better.
And... since NATO’s establishment, how many of its member nations were overrun by the Soviets during Cold War?
If Putin wants part of Estonia NATO isn’t going to stop him. If NATO was intending to military engage Russia they would deploy some units into the Baltics or Poland. That’s the thing to watch for. That NATO hasn’t done that tells you all you need to know. NATO forces will never get to the theater of war in time should Putin decisively move on Estonia.
NATO as a Cold War style military force is done. The banksters and corporatists running the west are not interested in a shooting war with Russia. Too much money to be made I guess.
Apparently, there’s a petition on the White House website.
Some Russians say it wasn’t sold to US, but leased for 100 years. lol
No they didn't. Even if someone did, it was a person of no influence and even less brain, a drunk at a bar.
Ukrainian neo-Nazis several weeks ago called for the taking of Polish territory for the new Ukraine. A more logical change would be Lvov returning to Poland.
Why are you worried about that? Even if that was true, Ukrainian nutballs are in no position to do any such thing.
Russian nutballs, OTOH, are on the march invading their neighbors and murdering them. Why are you NOT worried about that?
Ukrainians comprise 80% of the population of Ukraine. In East and South, despite Russian populations, Ukrainians comprise a majority. During USSR times, there was a massive Russian migration into those regions, so the whole statement is just a fart in the wind.
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