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Russian politician proposes new divisions of Ukraine
Reuters ^ | 3/24/2014 | LIDIA KELLY

Posted on 03/24/2014 5:53:43 AM PDT by lodi90

A prominent Russian politician has proposed dividing Ukraine along the lines of an infamous Nazi-Soviet pact and suggested that regions in Western Ukraine hold referendums on breaking away from Kiev.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: russia; ukraine; ukrainecrisis; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
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National Bolshevism on the march. This story is all over the press in Eastern Europe today.
1 posted on 03/24/2014 5:53:43 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

More and more Russian pols and pundits are making snide remarks about getting Alaska back.


2 posted on 03/24/2014 6:09:12 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: lodi90; cripplecreek; Army Air Corps; Monterrosa-24
You knew this was coming.

I except Russia to take everything east of the Dnieper River.

3 posted on 03/24/2014 6:10:33 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: Monterrosa-24

What is with the Alaska comment?

Do not even mention Alaska, not even.

No.


4 posted on 03/24/2014 6:11:31 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Monterrosa-24
Shoot, the Libs are joining right in saying "As Long as you take Sarah Palin Back you can have Alaska."

Not Funny

They won't understand until Spetsnaz Troops are knocking on their front door asking them politely but firmly to report to local Drive-in for counting. Or Else.

5 posted on 03/24/2014 6:12:03 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: lodi90

I spent 20 years plus in the US Army. I served in the 1970-1992. I spent 10 years in Germany. One of those tours was in an armored cavalry unit on the east-west German border pulling border patrol. We trained, trained, trained on keeping the Red horde from coming across the Fulda Gap. Now all that was wasted. The Soviets simply out waited us. Let us come home. Waited until the stupid United States elected an idiot punk community communist organizer as president. Now it has. Now the Soviets have no opposition from coming across the border. Soon, Comrade Putin will pull off shortly what the Reds wanted for 70 years.


6 posted on 03/24/2014 6:16:03 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: RetiredArmy

Well, I hope the French put a lot of trees on the Champs Elysees so the Russians do not have to march in the sun.

Meanwhile, that remark about Alaska the libs make offends sends me over the top. Why, because I know that asshat in the whitehouse would do it.


7 posted on 03/24/2014 6:22:34 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Thanks lodi90.
proposed dividing Ukraine along the lines of an infamous Nazi-Soviet pact

8 posted on 03/24/2014 6:24:30 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: lodi90

And the saddest part of all this is... the majority of Americans have no clue or care about this issue whatsoever.


9 posted on 03/24/2014 6:26:55 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: lodi90

If people do not feel safe in Nazi controlled ukraine they should annex to Russia. Dittoes Alaska. Socialist USA.


10 posted on 03/24/2014 6:35:59 AM PDT by eleni121 ("All Along the Watchtower" Book of Isaiah, Chapter 21, verses 5-9)
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To: ScottinVA

I don’t. Its the Russians’ backyard and ain’t worth the blood of an American soldier.

They’re welcome to it. A year from now no one will care about Crimea - or eastern Ukraine or Transdniester.


11 posted on 03/24/2014 6:37:51 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: lodi90
"...National Bolshevism on the march..." Good play on words. Unfortunately it is all too true. GermanGrenadiersNearVolga1942 photo Grenadiers-approaching-the-Volga-595x378_zps10d05d86.jpg
12 posted on 03/24/2014 6:39:00 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: lodi90

Why not just give Western Ukraine back to Poland.


13 posted on 03/24/2014 6:39:30 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: goldstategop

Those who so willingly give up the freedom of others, deserve to lose their own.


14 posted on 03/24/2014 6:43:45 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: dfwgator
Why not just give Western Ukraine back to Poland.

My son-in-law's family would agree with that. They lost a nice farm that they were kicked off.

15 posted on 03/24/2014 6:44:04 AM PDT by chopperman
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To: chopperman

As horrible of a crime as Katyn was, Volhynia was even worse....MUCH WORSE.


16 posted on 03/24/2014 6:44:44 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: lodi90

Galicia, Volhynia, and Eastern Ruthenia SHOULD secede from Ukraine and join the EU, and NATO if they wish.

Even today, when you are traveling in the Old Empire, you can recognize where you are. Krakau, Lemberg, Prag, no matter - you know where you are just by looking around.

L’viv (Lwow, Lemberg) was never Russian and never will be.


17 posted on 03/24/2014 6:45:46 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. H)
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To: Jim Noble

Stalin arbitrarily chopped off parts of Poland to make it more manageable.

Putin has a point when he said the Communists repeatedly redrew national boundaries without paying attention to the ethnic composition of the population or national interests involved.

Ukraine is an artificial state. I’ll be surprised if it lasts in its current form.


18 posted on 03/24/2014 6:53:35 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Ukraine is an artificial state. I’ll be surprised if it lasts in its current form.


So is the Russian Far East. But Russia has nukes. You got a billion Chicoms sitting right there but Moscow rules. If Ukraine had nukes and a strong military they would be just fine right now.


19 posted on 03/24/2014 7:15:02 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: RetiredArmy

The Soviets simply out waited us. Let us come home. Waited until the stupid United States elected an idiot punk community communist organizer as president. Now it has. Now the Soviets have no opposition from coming across the border.


The Germans would have given away western europe long ago had there not been American boots on the ground there. Before it was the pinkos. Now it is the corporatists. Doesn’t really matter who does it. The result is the same.


20 posted on 03/24/2014 7:19:06 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: eleni121

If people do not feel safe in Nazi controlled ukraine they should annex to Russia. Dittoes Alaska. Socialist USA.


It was a Russian “Nazi” making this proposal. Not a Ukrainian “nazi”. Your problem is you can’t see the irony in your statement.


21 posted on 03/24/2014 7:20:48 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Jim Noble

Galicia, Volhynia, and Eastern Ruthenia SHOULD secede from Ukraine and join the EU, and NATO if they wish.


A lot of central and eastern european borders are FUBAR. I think it’s better to let sleeping dogs lie than start some more shooting wars over them.

Interesting that Zhirinovsky did not offer Vilnius to Poland. I guess they plan on keeping that one!


22 posted on 03/24/2014 7:24:22 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: goldstategop
I don’t. Its the Russians’ backyard and ain’t worth the blood of an American soldier.

I get that... but the Russians are showing some interest in Estonia... that becomes a problem, because Estonia is a NATO nation.

23 posted on 03/24/2014 7:24:43 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: lodi90
I think it’s better to let sleeping dogs lie

But you don't get to choose.

24 posted on 03/24/2014 7:38:30 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. H)
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To: ScottinVA
that becomes a problem, because Estonia is a NATO nation

But NATO is a fiction, and has been for 20 years.

The danger to Estonia is that it may be in Putin's interest to expose the fraud, which he could do at very low cost at that location.

OTOH, I doubt that causing the world to see that NATO exists on paper only alone is worth the dusty bones of a single Russian trooper.

Watch Merkel. The Germans have a lot to lose in the current state of affairs, but they have a lot to gain, potentially, as well.

25 posted on 03/24/2014 7:42:01 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. H)
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To: lodi90

Ukrainian neo-Nazis several weeks ago called for the taking of Polish territory for the new Ukraine. A more logical change would be Lvov returning to Poland.


26 posted on 03/24/2014 7:55:43 AM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Jim Noble
But NATO is a fiction, and has been for 20 years

People can term NATO "fiction" all you want, but these countries entered into that structure with security guarantees.

27 posted on 03/24/2014 7:59:11 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: ScottinVA
People can term NATO "fiction" all you want, but these countries entered into that structure with security guarantees

Which guarantees are worthless.

As the old saying used to go, "With the Russians in Frankfurt, the deutschmark is toilet paper".

There is not a single European state, with the possible exception of Germany, that would shed blood over Estonia.

And, given that Germany is a possible exception, I expect Putin and Merkel to reach an understanding before this goes too much further.

28 posted on 03/24/2014 8:02:20 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. H)
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To: lodi90

All Russia wants is half of what is left. Of course a month from now they’ll be back and ask for half of the remaining. This will continue until there’s not enough of Ukraine left to put an outhouse.


29 posted on 03/24/2014 8:05:13 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: lodi90; Fred Nerks

Democracy in action, the Arab Spring was so glorious( sarc.)thanks to Obama and now we have a Slavic Spring too, an unanticipated extra! After all Saint Obama started it!

From the leftist POV Putin is doing what Obama did , but in this case it is art imitating garbage. Putin annexed Crimea firing only 2 rifle shots at Sevastapool.No way Obama can even come close to that, because Obama had jihadists attack his own people in Benghazi to thumb his fascist nose at the U.S. military industrial complex.....WOW!(No contest /S.) At least Putin does not betray his own on the face of it.And this is way far from over, Pooty is just getting started.

I predict Obama may get so desperate he will call in G. W. Bush as a special envoy to Russia, Pooty and Bush actually enjoyed each others company.


30 posted on 03/24/2014 8:10:33 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: lodi90

Ukraine should respond in kind to Russia, but in this case, call for Russia to relinquish territories that are not majority Russian. They could even throw a lug wrench into things by calling for the “repatriation” of Siberia with China. The twist here is that the Chinese have quietly been sending a lot of Chinese into eastern Siberia, to demographically take it over, which has been bugging Moscow.


31 posted on 03/24/2014 8:12:25 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: Jim Noble
As the old saying used to go, "With the Russians in Frankfurt, the deutschmark is toilet paper".

And... since NATO's establishment, how many of its member nations were overrun by the Soviets during Cold War?

32 posted on 03/24/2014 8:19:13 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: lodi90

An insanely stupid comment: “Zhirinovsky often is the voice of Putin.”

That’s like saying, “Buchanan is often the voice of Bush.”


33 posted on 03/24/2014 8:31:16 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dfwgator

~Zhirinovsky, whose nationalist Liberal Democratic party largely backs President Vladimir Putin in the Russian parliament, sent the letter as Russia annexed the Crimea region of southern Ukraine last week.

He is deputy speaker at the Duma and his party holds a minority in the parliament. But his ideas and language resonate with a large part of the Russian population and the Kremlin’s increasingly pro-nationalist rhetoric....

...His letter, seen by Reuters, suggested Poland, Hungary and Romania, who are now in the European Union, might wish to take back regions which he said were in the past their territories....

...The regions were incorporated into Ukraine when it was part of the Soviet Union at the end of World War Two and featured in a secret annex of the 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop pact under which the Soviet and Nazi German foreign ministers carved up the area...

“It’s never too late to correct historical errors,” Zhirinovsky wrote.

....Zhirinovsky proposed Ukraine’s Chernivtsi, Zakarpattia, Volyn, Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Rovensky regions, together with Poland, Romania and Hungary hold referendums on whether the regions should break away from Ukraine.

Romania might wish to have Chernivtsi, Hungary the Zakarpattia region, and Poland the rest, he said.~

It seems like they are in agreement with you.


34 posted on 03/24/2014 8:31:41 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: lodi90

This is going to get worse before it gets better, if it ever gets better.


35 posted on 03/24/2014 8:32:29 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: ScottinVA

And... since NATO’s establishment, how many of its member nations were overrun by the Soviets during Cold War?


If Putin wants part of Estonia NATO isn’t going to stop him. If NATO was intending to military engage Russia they would deploy some units into the Baltics or Poland. That’s the thing to watch for. That NATO hasn’t done that tells you all you need to know. NATO forces will never get to the theater of war in time should Putin decisively move on Estonia.

NATO as a Cold War style military force is done. The banksters and corporatists running the west are not interested in a shooting war with Russia. Too much money to be made I guess.


36 posted on 03/24/2014 8:42:13 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Apparently, there’s a petition on the White House website.
Some Russians say it wasn’t sold to US, but leased for 100 years. lol


37 posted on 03/24/2014 9:00:20 AM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
Ukrainian neo-Nazis several weeks ago called for the taking of Polish territory for the new Ukraine.

No they didn't. Even if someone did, it was a person of no influence and even less brain, a drunk at a bar.

38 posted on 03/24/2014 9:06:30 AM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

Ukrainian neo-Nazis several weeks ago called for the taking of Polish territory for the new Ukraine. A more logical change would be Lvov returning to Poland.


Why are you worried about that? Even if that was true, Ukrainian nutballs are in no position to do any such thing.

Russian nutballs, OTOH, are on the march invading their neighbors and murdering them. Why are you NOT worried about that?


39 posted on 03/24/2014 9:12:56 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: goldstategop
Stalin arbitrarily chopped off parts of Poland to make it more manageable. Putin has a point when he said the Communists repeatedly redrew national boundaries without paying attention to the ethnic composition of the population or national interests involved.

Ukrainians comprise 80% of the population of Ukraine. In East and South, despite Russian populations, Ukrainians comprise a majority. During USSR times, there was a massive Russian migration into those regions, so the whole statement is just a fart in the wind.

40 posted on 03/24/2014 9:14:56 AM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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To: dfwgator
Why not just give Western Ukraine back to Poland.

Yes, Ukrainians just loved being Polish citizens. A la Bogdan in 1640s and Stepan in 1940s

41 posted on 03/24/2014 9:22:58 AM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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To: dfwgator
Why not just give Western Ukraine back to Poland.

Why not give Western "Poland" back to Germany?

42 posted on 03/24/2014 9:41:33 AM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: FredZarguna

Yeah, I suppose that could start a chain reaction, couldn’t it?


43 posted on 03/24/2014 9:44:47 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: lodi90
Russia as a Cold War style military force is also "done." NATO has not moved forces into the Baltics because nobody in NATO believes Putin is suicidal. If Putin invades a NATO country, it's World War III, and the fantasies of a glorious NeoSoviet® Empire will be kicked to the curb of history.
44 posted on 03/24/2014 9:45:17 AM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: dfwgator

Hell, that might even make the Scots think about leaving the UK. Oh ... wait ...


45 posted on 03/24/2014 9:47:08 AM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: Monterrosa-24

HAHA Russia couldn’t handle a little resistance in Afghanistan... Just wait to see what what the fight would be like in Alaska.


46 posted on 03/24/2014 10:34:54 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: RetiredArmy

Well, the Soviets helped plant this idiot community organizer decades ago.


47 posted on 03/24/2014 10:36:33 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: lodi90
If Ukraine had nukes and a strong military they would be just fine right now.

"You not say Ukraine weak."

48 posted on 03/24/2014 10:37:14 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: miliantnutcase

“...what the fight would be like...”

Yes, there would be too many magnum-equiped, all-purpose, all-weather, terrain-cognizant riflemen for the Siberians to handle.


49 posted on 03/24/2014 10:49:01 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

As long as Palin calls Alaska home, liberals will be willing to GIVE Alaska back to Russia.


50 posted on 03/24/2014 10:52:12 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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