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Aborted Babies Incinerated to Heat UK Hospitals
The Telegraph ^ | March 24, 2014 | Sarah Knapton

Posted on 03/24/2014 8:47:05 AM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

The bodies of thousands of aborted and miscarried babies were incinerated as clinical waste, with some even used to heat hospitals, an investigation has found. Ten NHS trusts have admitted burning foetal remains alongside other rubbish while two others used the bodies in ‘waste-to-energy’ plants which generate power for heat. Last night the Department of Health issued an instant ban on the practice which health minister Dr Dan Poulter branded ‘totally unacceptable.’ The remains of more than 15,000 babies were incinerated as 'clinical waste' by hospitals in Britain with some used in 'waste to energy' plants At least 15,500 foetal remains were incinerated by 27 NHS trusts over the last two years alone, Channel 4’s Dispatches discovered. The programme, which will air tonight, found that parents who lose children in early pregnancy were often treated without compassion and were not consulted about what they wanted to happen to the remains. One of the country’s leading hospitals, Addenbrooke’s in Cambridge, incinerated 797 babies below 13 weeks gestation at their own ‘waste to energy’ plant. The mothers were told the remains had been ‘cremated.’ Another ‘waste to energy’ facility at Ipswich Hospital, operated by a private contractor, incinerated 1,101 foetal remains between 2011 and 2013. They were brought in from another hospital before being burned, generating energy for the hospital site. Ipswich Hospital itself disposes of remains by cremation. “This practice is totally unacceptable,” said Dr Poulter. “While the vast majority of hospitals are acting in the appropriate way, that must be the case for all hospitals and the Human Tissue Authority has now been asked to ensure that it acts on this issue without delay.” Sir Bruce Keogh, NHS Medical Director, has written to all NHS trusts to tell them the practice must stop.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; babies; evil; uk
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1 posted on 03/24/2014 8:47:05 AM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

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2 posted on 03/24/2014 8:52:06 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Evil. Society has not advanced one whit from when babies were sacrificed to Baal and thrown into fires. God help us!


3 posted on 03/24/2014 8:54:15 AM PDT by punknpuss
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

Hitler would have been envious. I don’t think even the Nazis thought of that-using incinerated Jews as fuel for heating.


4 posted on 03/24/2014 8:56:05 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: humblegunner

Sorry, I didn’t see the earlier thread. Will search better next time.


5 posted on 03/24/2014 9:03:09 AM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

If the screaming savages take over the UK it will be a better place than it is now.


6 posted on 03/24/2014 9:12:05 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

Russia has more abortions then live births.


7 posted on 03/24/2014 9:20:19 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
Last night the Department of Health issued an instant ban on the practice which health minister Dr Dan Poulter branded ‘totally unacceptable.’

I have to ask why? If the NHS believes that a fetus is mere tissue and it's okay to kill it, why are they squeamish about burning it?

Over the past 40 years the shame and stigma of abortion is gone and the public accepts it as a necessary evil. Yet they still sense somehow that it's not quite right and the "removed tissue" should still be treated with dignity and respect. When that doesn't happen you get bad press and public outrage. See the reaction to Kermit Gosnell who repulsed everyone with his shockingly casual cruelty to what we are told are neither actually human nor alive.

Weird how people can accept the actual killing but not the disrespectful handling.

8 posted on 03/24/2014 9:22:09 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: punknpuss

“Evil. Society has not advanced one whit from when babies were sacrificed to Baal and thrown into fires. God help us!”


I was thinking the SAME THING! Except that they aren’t 3 months old, AND they kill them first :(
We don’t have to beat the drums to drown out their screams, which I’m SURE rise up to God’s ears just the same.


9 posted on 03/24/2014 9:28:05 AM PDT by PrairieLady2
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To: mrsmel
I don’t think even the Nazis thought of that-using incinerated Jews as fuel for heating.

Probably because the accusation isn't true.

It takes much fuel to cremate a human than you get by burning it. IOW, the burning of the bodies is just not a source of heat.

10 posted on 03/24/2014 9:32:56 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
Brave New World come to life...
11 posted on 03/24/2014 9:34:16 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

Rush talks about this unconscionable practice.


12 posted on 03/24/2014 9:35:08 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: PrairieLady2

It’s horrifying to think that someone would believe it was ethical or practical to use them for fuel. I can’t wrap my mind around that person’s thoughts (and I don’t want to.)


13 posted on 03/24/2014 9:45:49 AM PDT by punknpuss
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
I read this, Footnote 5, last night regarding abortion:

5 The abortion pleases Satan, because Satan needs human sacrifice to gain power, and so abortion is practised daily with so many not even being aware that it becomes a free-giving cult to the Devil. The devil thirsts for blood and he gets it now from the innocent.

14 posted on 03/24/2014 9:50:02 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
The bodies of thousands of aborted and miscarried babies were incinerated as clinical waste, with some even used to heat hospitals, an investigation has found.

I'm horrified by this. I cannot imagine what kind of cold hearted EVIL individual even thought of this, much less carried out the task.

I also cannot think of a better example of evil existing in this world....

15 posted on 03/24/2014 9:53:04 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

Cameron is a sick, twisted and derange God-hating scumbag.


16 posted on 03/24/2014 10:00:17 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Sherman Logan
“It takes much fuel to cremate a human than you get by burning it. IOW, the burning of the bodies is just not a source of heat.”

My first reaction. I'm surprised it took til your post with this tech savvy group.

17 posted on 03/24/2014 10:03:03 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
"Most Eugenists are Euphemists. I mean merely that short words startle them, while long words soothe them. And they are utterly incapable of translating the one into the other, however obviously they mean the same thing. Say to them “The persuasive and even coercive powers of the citizen should enable him to make sure that the burden of longevity in the previous generation does not become disproportionate and intolerable, especially to the females”; say this to them and they will sway slightly to and fro like babies sent to sleep in cradles. Say to them “Murder your mother,” and they sit up quite suddenly. Yet the two sentences, in cold logic, are exactly the same.”

G. K. Chesterton in "Eugenics and Other Evils"

18 posted on 03/24/2014 10:03:15 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

This is so beyond the pale, I am lost for words. Hard to condemn Muslim bombings and beheadings etc. when the society they are trying to overturn is as disgusting and depraved as this. I don’t think even the Taliban burn babies to heat buildings.


19 posted on 03/24/2014 10:04:30 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: I want the USA back

no. look at syria and africa an what’s going on there and see that it isn’t true.


20 posted on 03/24/2014 10:06:44 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

Burning babies for fuel is evil. Hitler would be proud.
I suppose if the hospitals are prevented from burning them, we’ll hear that they are being processed into soap.


21 posted on 03/24/2014 10:07:25 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Probably because the accusation isn't true.

What accusation? Ten of the NHS Trusts admit to burning aborted and still birth "along with other rubbish". And two admit to using same for "waste to energy incinerators"

Are you wandering down some side street?

22 posted on 03/24/2014 10:11:20 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Covenantor

My point is purely technical, and you may consider it irrelevant.

The bodies do not contribute to the heating of the hospitals, since their combustion requires more energy than they contribute.


23 posted on 03/24/2014 10:26:17 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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Probably because the accusation isn't true. It takes much fuel to cremate a human than you get by burning it. IOW, the burning of the bodies is just not a source of heat.

Your first and third statements are demonstrably false. (Your second statement is a little garbled - did you mean to say that it takes more fuel? - so I won't comment upon it.)

The combustion of human remains is without question exothermic, i.e., it yields a net plus of calories (energy).

To be sure, some initial input of energy is necessary to get the process started - and, in fact, because of the high water content of human bodies, the process may not even be self-sustaining (depending upon how well-designed the combustion chamber is; as little heat as possible should be allowed to escape through the chimney - rather, the flue should be equipped for heat recovery, this recovered heat then being returned to the combustion chamber), but it still has a net energy yield.

Consider: Carnivores eat animal cadavers, and "burn" them in their digestive tracts (in a very inefficient process that doesn't even yield ash as a final product, but rather feces which themselves still have a relatively high caloric content) - yet still don't starve, which they would if it were an endothermic ("energy-consuming") reaction.

Regards,

24 posted on 03/24/2014 10:26:25 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Viennacon

“Cameron is a sick, twisted and derange God-hating scumbag.”

There is no evidence at all that Cameron knew anything about this practice. And steps are being taken by his gov’t department to stop the practice. Your statement is over the top and without warrant. Attack what was being done, but save your vitriol for the act, not a personal attack on the Prime Minister. It’s unfair, in particular the God-hating part of your comment. You don’t know his personal beliefs from an Adam’s apple.

“Last night the Department of Health issued an instant ban on the practice which health minister Dr Dan Poulter branded ‘totally unacceptable.’”


25 posted on 03/24/2014 10:28:26 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: Covenantor

I would also like to point out the obvious.

The sin and crime is the killing of innocents, not the method by which they dispose of the body.

Just as with the outcry over using fetal tissue in scientific experiments. While it may be disturbing, it is by comparison just not an issue.

Murder is the most serious of all crimes in most jurisdictions, but in many states improper disposal of a body is only a misdemeanor.


26 posted on 03/24/2014 10:30:53 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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“You don’t know his personal beliefs”

oh, yeah. Pro-homo David is such an enigma. I just can’t figure his stance on God out!

When are people going to stop fooling themselves? I thought it might end when it was uncovered that leading members of the British parliament were involved with child molester-advocacy groups, but apparently not.

I’m sure Mr. Poulter finds it ‘totally unacceptable’ now they’ve been caught. These scumbags put no value on human life. Zero. Palin talked about death panels, well this isn’t even a panel. It’s a machine for mass murder. All this scandal tells them is they need more brainwashing in the schools and colleges so they can do this in the future without any stink. As already stated, I can’t imagine Anjem Choudary’s vision for the future of the UK is any worse than this. Totally depraved and below any semblance of human dignity.


27 posted on 03/24/2014 10:38:31 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

“Tophet is Moloch, which was made of brass; and they heated him from his lower parts; and his hands being stretched out, and made hot, they put the child between his hands, and it was burnt; when it vehemently cried out; but the priests beat a drum, that the father might not hear the voice of his son, and his heart might not be moved.”

(Moloch is sometimes known as Baal-Moloch, Cronus, Kronos, Saturn, and other pagan names.)


28 posted on 03/24/2014 10:43:43 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: mrsmel

Lampshades.

Hitler had the skins of Jews used to make lampshades.


29 posted on 03/24/2014 10:52:17 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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The old world returns as we sacrifice our children to molech and baal.

With western civilizations utter depravity, vulgar and evil behavior thanks to the liberal left. Soon humanity will owe Sodom and Gomorrah apologies for ever linking their names with pure evil and perversion as they look like civilizations of skittles and unicorns compared to our slide into the abyss.


30 posted on 03/24/2014 10:57:26 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: alexander_busek

Good points.

100 pound person, 60 pounds of water, 1150 btus per pound to vaporize the water = 69,000 btus.

40 pounds of dry matter left. Let us assume, possibly inaccurately but no doubt conservatively, that one pound of dry human matter produces as much heat as dry wood when burned, about 8600 btus. Therefore, the 40 pounds of dry matter should produce about 344,000 btus, leaving about 275,000 after vaporization of the water to contribute to the heating of the building, assuming all heat is captured, which of course it isn’t.

So I appear to have been in error. Human bodies can be used as a source of fuel. I think I jumped to this conclusion because of the very large amounts of fuel used in cremation. But of course the purpose of cremation is not to provide energy, it’s to reduce the body to as small an amount of ash as possible, so they pour on the fuel well beyond what is needed just to burn the body.

Mea culpa for jumping to conclusions. In my partial defense, I think it is logical to expect that the actual contribution of baby corpses to heating of the facility is minimal.


31 posted on 03/24/2014 11:02:19 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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S.L. #1. Probably because the accusation isn’t true.

S.L. #2. My point is purely technical, and you may consider it irrelevant.

The bodies do not contribute to the heating of the hospitals, since their combustion requires more energy than they contribute.

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Ahhh, I understand now. You make a pedantic retort to a reader’s reaction to the horror to the NHS admitted and we’re off to tricycle races about the technical aspects of crematoria efficiency and how poorly the human corpse burns. Rather beside the main point though. The question asked was, “what accusation?”

Simple two words. Unanswered.

Almost amusing. Don’t get caught watering down the sherry in the faculty lounge. Ta-ta


32 posted on 03/24/2014 11:05:07 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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the horror to the NHS admitted

My real point, as expressed in several posts of this thread, is that the horror is the killing, not the method of disposal of the body, or whether the waste heat of cremation/incineration is used for some other useful purpose.

I suppose we get (understandably) wearied with trying to cut through the wall of euphemism erected around abortion. So we react with "horror" to what is by any reasonable standard no big deal. But it's a new revelation, and not "old news." Maybe it will cut through the wall for somebody somewhere.

But the horror of the Holocaust was the mass killing, not the fact that some of the bodies were somewhat inefficiently cremated. Had the SS used waste heat from the crematoria to heat their barracks, I fail to see why we should consider this adding much to the horror with which we should view the process.

33 posted on 03/24/2014 11:24:40 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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LOL! And still you evade the simple question, “What accusation?”

Two words. Count ‘em up.

Whole lot easier than calculating BTUs per unit of body mass.

You really need to get a GPS for that tricycle of yours.


34 posted on 03/24/2014 11:36:48 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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OK, if it will make you happy.

Aborted Babies Incinerated to Heat UK Hospitals

That headline is a factual inaccuracy. The babies are incinerated to dispose of them, along with other medical waste.

Some of the waste heat is captured and used to heat hospitals, according to the text.

But the purpose of the incineration is not to heat hospitals, it is to safely dispose of hazardous waste.

I don't approve of the process, but the headline implies strongly that babies are being used as cordwood, and that is factually incorrect.

I understand it is hyperbole used to make a point, but I stand behind my original claim that the accusation is inaccurate.

35 posted on 03/24/2014 12:46:17 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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A baby is not hazardous waste, it’s a dead human being worthy of burial. Very sad story.


36 posted on 03/24/2014 12:50:45 PM PDT by tioga
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To: Sherman Logan

You know Sherman, I thought you were a fully socialized intelligent adult, aware that headline writers and copy writers were two distinct job categories and that it was unnecessary to belabor the point that hyperbole sells papers or garners web clicks. The body of the copy seemed to make it clear that the waste to energy incinerators were a means of disposing of the bodies, not that the bodies were a primary source of fuel. You must have been the dead zone at every dinner party you’ve ever attended. Try charting the frequency of those and see if you can spot a trend.


37 posted on 03/24/2014 2:45:34 PM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Sherman Logan
It's easy to be misled. I "jumped" on your posting only because I sensed an implied denial of Nazi incinerators (maybe I misread that).

Incidentally, modern boilers with flue gas condensation systems can recover so much of the condensation heat of all of the water vapor contained (or chemically produced, by combustion) in the fuel that the temperature of the waste gas is lowered to about 45 °C. Thus, roughly the same amount of energy is released and recovered as would be when burning totally dehydrated fuel.

I would guess that, pound for pound, human bodies contain even more chemical energy than wood.

Regards,

38 posted on 03/24/2014 10:18:58 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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