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Authorities: 108 People Unaccounted For In Deadly Mudslide
CBS Seattle ^ | March 24, 2014 11:58 AM | Unattributed - AP

Posted on 03/24/2014 1:00:53 PM PDT by Mariner

ARLINGTON, Wash. (AP) — The search for survivors of a deadly Washington state mudslide grew Monday to include 108 names of people who were reported missing or were unaccounted for, but authorities cautioned the figure likely would decline dramatically.

Still, the size of the list raised concerns the death toll would rise far above the eight people who have been confirmed dead after the 1-square-mile slide Saturday swept through part of a former fishing village about 55 miles northeast of Seattle. Several people also were critically injured. About 30 homes were destroyed, and the debris blocked a 1-mile stretch of state highway.

“The situation is very grim,” Snohomish County Fire District 21 Chief Travis Hots said, stressing that authorities are still in rescue mode and are holding out hope. But he noted: “We have not found anyone alive on this pile since Saturday.”

(Excerpt) Read more at seattle.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: arlington; mudslide; snohomish; washington
Much of Western Washington is little more than glacier trailings...more than 50% rocks from the size of a golf ball to the size of a house. Filled in with sand and silt.

It gets very unstable when soaked.

Combine a bunch of rain like they've had this winter with a good-sized earthquake and it would be catastrophic. Much of the land mass would become soup.

1 posted on 03/24/2014 1:00:53 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: Mariner

I lived in the Seattle area for 45 years and have ridden my bicycle through the area covered by that slide. I moved to Central KY in 2011. We own two fingers of a plateau about 80 feet over the valley below. My wife was asking about slides here. I’ve worked the dirt in both areas. here, if you dig down a few feet you get clay and limestone. It’s basically a big rock under us. Completely different.

It would have to be. We get torrential rains here on a regular basis (anything that can slide, has slid). That’s why I spent all day Saturday with my tractor re-grading the steep hill of our driveway that brings you up from the valley. It’s made of the dirt and when leaves clogged my ditch, it re-directed those torrential rain fed waters right down the middle of my driveway, creating an 18” deep and 12” wide grand canyon meandering right down the middle of it.

But when I dug out my ditch, I eventually hit the clay. It’s not going anywhere in a hurry.


2 posted on 03/24/2014 1:08:10 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

The graded bank tends to assume it’s angle of repose.


3 posted on 03/24/2014 1:09:49 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Mariner

Prayers up for the survivors and their families.


4 posted on 03/24/2014 1:10:33 PM PDT by lucky american (Progressives are attacking our rights and y'all will sit there and take it.)
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To: Mariner

Hard to believe this happened in the US.


5 posted on 03/24/2014 1:10:37 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: bert

Yeah. It hints at why valleys are deeper and sides more sheer on Mars.


6 posted on 03/24/2014 1:11:16 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

A couple of dump truck loads of chert rocks would likely diminish that problem......................


7 posted on 03/24/2014 1:15:00 PM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: Red Badger

We actually had it professionally graded and put a three inch layer of “dense pack” down. But that was a little over 3 years ago. I’m going to complete the crown in it tonight and throw another load of dense pack down. It should hold us over at least another three years, partly because I’ve done a better job of re-directing the water flow this time.

BTW, concrete or asphalt is a no-no - it becomes a skating rink in freezing weather. Gravel gives good traction except with thick snow and ice, which we very rarely get.


8 posted on 03/24/2014 1:22:15 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: driftdiver

Hard to believe this happened in the US.


These things are becoming more and more common in western Washington state. I can think of at least three like this that happened in the last decade or so. This one just happened to happen in a place that affected more people (kinda like hurricane Sandy).


9 posted on 03/24/2014 1:24:20 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

And it’s nothing compared to what would happen if Mt Rainier just burped, much less actually erupted.


10 posted on 03/24/2014 1:27:14 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: cuban leaf

There are two problems to solve:

1. Break up the power of the flow of water.

2. Make it go somewhere where it won’t be a problem.

Your situation sounds exactly like where my daughter and her family live: On the down side of a steep hill that is not county maintained. Every rain they get washouts...................


11 posted on 03/24/2014 1:32:00 PM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: Red Badger

Another ‘solution’ is to plant some vegetation that has deep roots to keep the soil in place................


12 posted on 03/24/2014 1:33:26 PM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: Mariner

Meanwhile, CNN is still “BREAKING NEWS!” with nothing new to report about MH370.

I guess that’s easier and cheaper than actual “Reporting”.


13 posted on 03/24/2014 1:35:18 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Mariner

Good grief! How do you go from 3 dead to 8 to 108 missing and miss that info? Do the news orgs not even care about those NOT living in a city?


14 posted on 03/24/2014 1:36:03 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Evil is evil; call it as it is.)
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To: Mariner

if Rainier’s snow cover melts, Tacoma would be swept away by the Puyallup and the Nisqually valley would become a canyon.


15 posted on 03/24/2014 1:38:49 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Red Badger
In my case thre is a ditch, but the road has a hump in the halfway point where water can wash over the dense pack before it gets too fast and strong.

But over time the ditch on the hill side filled in with too much leaf debris and successfully blocked the overwash water causing it to veer right into the center of our road. The rain was torrential and even the dense pack could not withstand it.

I've significantly deepened the ditch and will deepen it further, eliminating the halfway point wash off but also fill it with those rocks that are approximately 7" diameter that everyone uses around here for ditches. That should make the fix permanent with minor necessary maintenance. BTW, Here is the hill (in the background). You only see the bottom but the hill (with the tip of the house showing) gives you an idea of how high it goes. And all of that climb is on the front of the hill.

Before we bought it (note the for sale sigh behind our rental car)

From the top (shortly after we purchased it and different rental car):

Notice that in both of those pictures it is just indigenous "gravel and rather bumpy. After we graded it, laid down the dense pack, and I trimmed those trees, it was actually very nice. And when we get the dense pack in, it will be again.

16 posted on 03/24/2014 1:44:18 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Mariner
Yep. The lahar that would occur if the western face of Rainier let go would take out many small towns and go all the way to Puget Sound, possibly even taking out the Puyallup River Bridge. That'd completely cut off north-south access on I-5 for Seattle. Depending on how wide that collapse was, it could even possibly take out more towns along the Nisqually and possibly destroy the I-5 bridge over that river as well.

Scary thought all the way around

17 posted on 03/24/2014 1:48:11 PM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: RitchieAprile

The Tideflats in Tacoma, not to mention Fife, would certainly be ruined, but most of Tacoma would survive being that most of it is WAY above the Puyallup River valley.


18 posted on 03/24/2014 1:50:23 PM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: CincyRichieRich

That area is pretty isolated, despite its proximity to Seattle. There aren’t a lot of ways to get heavy equipment in there to uncover these sites.


19 posted on 03/24/2014 1:53:39 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: cuban leaf

That looks amazingly similar to my daughter’s place, only less steep. Their road is at about a 40 degree angle.

Their problem is sand. The water just washes it away by the ton.........................


20 posted on 03/24/2014 1:53:45 PM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: hoagy62

Some would argue that Fife is already ruined..


21 posted on 03/24/2014 1:54:57 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Mariner
Just crazy. Rode through with a friend during the RSVP. I can see how the terrain would be suitable to it though.

I think I hit 60mph on my bike on the hill into Arlington.

22 posted on 03/24/2014 1:55:22 PM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: hoagy62
It would also run all the way up the Kent Valley to Lake Washington.

Ouch.

23 posted on 03/24/2014 2:17:43 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: RitchieAprile
Some would argue that Fife is already ruined..
Hey, there's always the Poodle Dog restaurant - it's been there for 50 years, I think. Good breakfast and great happy hour.
24 posted on 03/24/2014 3:02:32 PM PDT by dainbramaged (Don't tell me, I'll tell you.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

This is a totally misleading headline. The emergency services people reported that they logged 108 reports concerning missing people. Logged calls does not equal missing people. From the looks of the before and after aerial photos there were not enough houses involved to account for that many people.


25 posted on 03/24/2014 4:24:26 PM PDT by Sicvee (Sicvee)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Awful. Thanks Mariner for this update.

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http://disaster.salvationarmyusa.org/give/


26 posted on 03/24/2014 4:48:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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http://disaster.salvationarmyusa.org/capacity/?divisionID=NW


27 posted on 03/24/2014 4:48:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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I’m a little shocked this story isn’t getting more traction on FR.

Death toll at 14.

Reports of 108 unaccounted for.

Unofficial partial list of over 35 at this link: http://www.breakingskagit.com/530-slide/missing-530-slide/

Lots of really tragic stories, including family of 6 missing; wife and 4-yr old missing the husband and her other 3 children; Texas woman’s parents, daughter, and daughter’s fiance’ missing; plumber installing hot water heater missing; etc...

Incredible aerial photo gallery: http://www.heraldnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=DH&Date=20140322&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=323009999&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=1

This is a crazy 2-part panorama of the slide area. Click the arrow in the photo and the photo pans left and right. The first image is the top half of the slide. When done with that image, click on the arrow at the bottom of the photo to go to the second image (from 1/2, to 2/2):

http://seattletimes.com/html/picturethis/2023210816_darrington_arlington_mudslide_interactive_03232014.html

The top of the mudslide was at elevation 900 feet.

The river level, where the slide dropped to, is 260 feet.

640 feet of elevation drop... spread out over a square mile.... A mile of the highway is blocked. That means a mile of roads in both directions on which there could have been cars driving through, at 10:47 am on a Saturday morning. One woman was on her way to a friend’s house and she was due there at 11:00 am. She never made it, and she is unaccounted for. There were construction crews in the area. One person was taking a shower one minute, and buried under a tractor the next.

Skagit County Breaking News: https://www.facebook.com/SkagitBreaking


28 posted on 03/24/2014 5:21:30 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Yes, there is enough compassion in the world to care about humans AND animals at the same time.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

You wrote: “How do you go from 3 dead to 8 to 108 missing and miss that info? Do the news orgs not even care about those NOT living in a city?”

The answer is NO.

But also, this happened on a weekend, and the media doesn’t work on weekends. Besides, everyone was looking for MH Flight 370.


29 posted on 03/24/2014 5:24:04 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Yes, there is enough compassion in the world to care about humans AND animals at the same time.)
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To: BagCamAddict

CNN is now saying 176 missing...


30 posted on 03/24/2014 7:13:50 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: RitchieAprile

I like the Poodle Dog.


31 posted on 03/24/2014 8:52:10 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: dainbramaged

In the Pup Room.


32 posted on 03/24/2014 8:53:03 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: Sicvee

Some may have been the same people.


33 posted on 03/24/2014 8:53:57 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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