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Sowell: Republicans and Blacks
Creators Syndicate ^ | March 25, 2014 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 03/24/2014 1:17:08 PM PDT by jazusamo

Recently former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice added her voice to those who have long been urging the Republican Party to reach out to black voters. Not only is that long overdue, what is also long overdue is putting some time — and, above all, some serious thought — into how to go about doing it.

Too many Republicans seem to think that the way to "reach out" is to offer blacks and other minorities what the Democrats are offering them. Some have even suggested that the channels to use are organizations like the NAACP and black "leaders" like Jesse Jackson — that is, people tied irrevocably to the Democrats.

Voters who want what the Democrats offer can get it from the Democrats. Why should they vote for Republicans who act like make-believe Democrats?

Yet there are issues where Republicans have a big advantage over Democrats — if they will use that advantage. But an advantage that you don't use might as well not exist.

The issue on which Democrats are most vulnerable, and have the least room to maneuver, is school choice. Democrats are heavily in hock to the teachers' unions, who see public schools as places to guarantee jobs for teachers, regardless of what that means for the education of students.

There are some charter schools and private schools that have low-income minority youngsters equaling or exceeding national norms, despite the many ghetto public schools where most students are nowhere close to meeting those norms. Because teachers' unions oppose charter schools, most Democrats oppose them, including black Democrats up to and including President Barack Obama.

New York Mayor Bill de Blasio's recent cutback on funding for charter schools, and creating other obstacles for them, showed a calloused disregard for black youngsters, for whom a decent education...

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1 posted on 03/24/2014 1:17:08 PM PDT by jazusamo
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2 posted on 03/24/2014 1:18:14 PM PDT by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: jazusamo

I am against school choice. There is a number of flaws with the theory.

First off, you have to ask why the school is “bad”. Is it the teachers? The amount of funding? Or the students? (If the kids come from a place where education is frowned on, they will not have a good shot no matter where they go).

Second, once a private school starts taking State money, it is no longer a private school. The State will start dictating on how that school will operate, and you may end up as bad as the old public schools.

Third, don’t hold up Charter schools as an example. They are VERY selective on who gets in, stays in, and the requirements of the teachers. If you take that away, the performance will fall.


3 posted on 03/24/2014 1:21:44 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
"I am against school choice. There is [sic] a number of flaws with the theory."

When, then, would you propose as an alternative to the Leftist-dominated public school system?

4 posted on 03/24/2014 1:31:10 PM PDT by doc11355
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To: redgolum
I am against school choice.

Said by a true statist?

I choose not to send my children to public school - so take that.

Parents should pay for their own children's school. Making the old lady down the street fund it is immoral. If you created the child, then man up and care for them.

5 posted on 03/24/2014 1:38:45 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: redgolum

One problem is their size. Nobody, let alone 25-30 staffers can supervise 2000+ 15-18 years olds.

No high school should have more than 500-600 kids. The only reason to pool that big is for the building of special projects like football stadiums. Sports would be just as competitive without the mega schools.


6 posted on 03/24/2014 1:47:10 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: jazusamo

Why waste the time, effort, and money? Blacks continually vote Democrat AGAINST their own interests. Blacks have done FAR worse under Obama than Bush. If Obama could run again he would still get 98 percent of the black vote. If they don’t care to help themselves and flee the Liberal/Democrat PLANTATION how in the world can they be helped by anyone?


7 posted on 03/24/2014 1:50:45 PM PDT by LeonardFMason (LanceyHoward would AGREE)
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To: jazusamo

Not sure how it can happen, or if it can happen, but conservatives need to take their message to the ghettos, both urban and academic.


8 posted on 03/24/2014 1:50:50 PM PDT by lurk
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This is a phony idea from Sowell, and doesn’t get out of the artificial semantics of the Demwit agitprop.

How about attacking the very notion that the Demagogic Party is somehow a better choice — they are the party of slavery, the party of secession, the party of the klan, the party of jim crow, the party of segregation, the party of Cabrini Green...

How about attacking the very notion that the Republican Party is the party of white people? How about attacking the racist Dhimmicrats’ pejoratives directed against Republican politicians who happen to be black?

Thanks jazusamo.


9 posted on 03/24/2014 2:07:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: jazusamo
Blacks are one thing, but it's women who pose the biggest threat! REPEAL the 19th Amendment! B^)

Gallup: 2012 election had the largest gender gap in recorded history

The gender gap in the 2012 presidential election was the largest since Gallup began tracking the metric in 1952, according to data released by the polling firm on Friday.


President Obama won women by 12 percentage points, while Mitt Romney won men by 8.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/267101-gallup-2012-election-had-the-largest-gender-gap-in-history

10 posted on 03/24/2014 2:07:50 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: redgolum

Admittedly, the students going to the good schools will “self select”,

and the kids whose parents don’t givadamn will be stuck in a bad school.

But, really, is that bad? The alternative is to keep the kids of parents who care trapped with the kids of parents who don’t.


11 posted on 03/24/2014 2:10:15 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: smoothsailing

I wonder what the gender gap was with Willie Jeff, he seemed to have a way with women. :)


12 posted on 03/24/2014 2:15:35 PM PDT by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: MrB
But, really, is that bad? The alternative is to keep the kids of parents who care trapped with the kids of parents who don’t.

Outlaw school buses and force schools back into the neighborhood and those problems will just fade away. With the technology we have today there is absolutely no need for a large school except maybe because sports are big business.

13 posted on 03/24/2014 2:17:29 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for RINOs is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: MrB

Why does free republic keep posting this guys views. He is GOPe all the way. He has view that the Tea Party and conservatives should die, or sit in the back of the bus.

He is comfortable with Karl Rove, Crispy Cream , Rubio, Jeb Bush. He hates the guys we like Cruz, Lee, Jindle and our Lady Liberty Palin.

I don’t have interest in Mr. AS Sowell. Lets have a poll and see if anyone thinks he is relevant to Freepers.


14 posted on 03/24/2014 2:19:52 PM PDT by Zenjitsuman (New Boss Nancy Pelosi)
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To: MrB

Why does free republic keep posting this guys views. He is GOPe all the way. He has view that the Tea Party and conservatives should die, or sit in the back of the bus.

He is comfortable with Karl Rove, Crispy Cream , Rubio, Jeb Bush. He hates the guys we like Cruz, Lee, Jindle and our Lady Liberty Palin.

I don’t have interest in Mr. AS Sowell. Lets have a poll and see if anyone thinks he is relevant to Freepers.


15 posted on 03/24/2014 2:19:52 PM PDT by Zenjitsuman (New Boss Nancy Pelosi)
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To: Zenjitsuman
OK. My vote is yes, he's relevant. As he has been for about four decades. I think a preference for current establishment candidates is a rather small disagreement when balanced against his body of work: Race and Economics, Knowledge and Decisions, Compassion vs Guilt, The Vision of the Anointed, Applied Economics, Black Rednecks and White Liberals, Race and Culture, Dismantling America, Intellectuals and Race - friends can agree to disagree on candidates and strategy, but these are foundational documents of the conservative movement. IMHO, of course.
16 posted on 03/24/2014 2:32:32 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill; Zenjitsuman
OK. My vote is yes, he's relevant

Amen and that's an excellent post. Zman seems to agree with libs, ignore what they don't agree with and censor.

17 posted on 03/24/2014 2:36:45 PM PDT by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: Zenjitsuman

What other right of center writers do you object to?

Are you suggesting Sowell be banned from FR?

Should we also burn all his books?


18 posted on 03/24/2014 2:39:24 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: jazusamo

Here’s the chart going back to 1952

http://www.gallup.com/poll/158588/gender-gap-2012-vote-largest-gallup-history.aspx

It’s interesting. Clinton won both the women and men vote in ‘92 and ‘96, whereas Obama lost the men vote in ‘08 and ‘12.

I guess it proves there are more men who will vote for a liberal than men who will vote for a pansy. HA!


19 posted on 03/24/2014 2:57:20 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: ALPAPilot; doc11355
Statist? Not really. Homeschool or send your children to a private school of your choice.

Don't you think it is odd to be against socialized medicine but for socialized education?

20 posted on 03/24/2014 2:57:52 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: jazusamo

I’m sorry Dr. Sowell, there’s nothing appeals by Pubbies to get blacks to vote for them that will work.


21 posted on 03/24/2014 2:59:53 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: smoothsailing

LOL! That must be it, thanks for the links.


22 posted on 03/24/2014 3:02:55 PM PDT by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: driftless2

I’m sorry Dr. Sowell, there’s nothing appeals by Pubbies to get blacks to vote for them that will work.


How bout speaking to all blacks as if they cared about the nation and their families? Treat them like adults. Offer them “success” instead of dependency.

There are more than a few black voters who would rather become one of the fat cats and live among them, instead of living off them.


23 posted on 03/24/2014 3:07:49 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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To: jazusamo
Sowell's off base again. School choice means that minorities from the inner cities can bring the kids to suburban and high-performing schools in other neighborhoods. They bring their bad habits with them, and are even less accountable because the kids are nowhere near their homes, so the parents aren't there if need be. Those children and parents don't have the neighborhood contacts that build and improve behavior when it's a neighborhood school.

A better message to blacks would be enpowerment. Bring the young ones back to neighborhood schools and take ownership of the problems in the local school.

And PS Mr Sowell: Most loyal conservative voters don't want kids from inner city neighborhoods going to their local schools in the name of school choice.

24 posted on 03/24/2014 3:07:54 PM PDT by grania
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To: doc11355
When, then, would you propose as an alternative to the Leftist-dominated public school system?

There should be no government involvement in education, not even at the county and city level. It should purely be a contracted service between educators and parents.

25 posted on 03/24/2014 3:11:36 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (15 years of FReeping! Congratulations EEE!!)
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To: redgolum

It is rarely EVER the funding. You can jam money down a kid’s throat, it will not improve learning (don’t get me started on discipline).


26 posted on 03/24/2014 3:20:43 PM PDT by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: driftless2

Bingo!!!


27 posted on 03/24/2014 3:23:36 PM PDT by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: LeonardFMason

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3135460/posts


28 posted on 03/24/2014 3:24:59 PM PDT by jimjohn (You don't get the kind of government you want, or the kind you need. You get the kind you deserve.)
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To: Billthedrill

Your list contains 4 racial topics Mr. AS Sowell has going for him.

He is a racial writer who doesn’t like new Conservative intellectuals like Ted Cruz, Levin.

Blacks voted for Hussein Obama because of skin color.

A watered down GOPe which AS is in favor of will never get the African American vote. No matter how bad Obama’s economics has hurt them in unemployment and income inequality. Racial solutions don’t work because the illegals always get the lower paying jobs because they will work for whatever is offered, cutting unskilled Blacks out of opportunity and taking them for granted at election time.


29 posted on 03/24/2014 3:34:00 PM PDT by Zenjitsuman (New Boss Nancy Pelosi)
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To: SunkenCiv
How about attacking the very notion that the Demagogic Party is somehow a better choice — they are the party of slavery, the party of secession, the party of the klan, the party of jim crow, the party of segregation, the party of Cabrini Green...

How about attacking the very notion that the Republican Party is the party of white people? How about attacking the racist Dhimmicrats’ pejoratives directed against Republican politicians who happen to be black?

Very nice Civ...

30 posted on 03/24/2014 3:36:46 PM PDT by GOPJ (NASA: N othing A bout S pace A nymore - - FreperClearCase_guy)
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To: Zenjitsuman

He is very relevant. Relevancy does not require that everyone agree with him all the time. I don’t see him as “in the camp” of the GOPe. Much of what he says is quite contrary to the elite GOP attitude.


31 posted on 03/24/2014 3:42:26 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Zenjitsuman
My list was made from a casual perusal of books of his I've purchased. Sowell is a world class economist of the Friedman/von Mises persuasion: that, and not race, is his forte.

I think it is, or should be, beneath the dignity of a free man to demand that such voices be suppressed, especially out of a momentary disagreement over political tactics. Why on earth bother with a site such as FR if it isn't for vigorous discussion?

32 posted on 03/24/2014 3:46:47 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: redgolum

Some are very selective. Others are lottery. Both generally outperform standard public schools.


33 posted on 03/24/2014 3:54:06 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: ALPAPilot
If the school system's spending $20,000 per year NOT to educate a child - what would be wrong with giving half that money to parents in the form of a voucher?

A voucher they could choose to use at any school that would accept their child. And by choice I don't mean forcing a school to take a child they don't want - that horror has no place in a private system. It hurts the child and sets up a 'pity party mentality' that damages children.

The rough work of integrating pubic schools was just - and worthy - that heavy lifting has been accomplished. That standard should not be applied to private schools (and yeah - that will work for black kids and all kids in the long run.) The difference between seeing yourself as someone who can bully their way into a group - and seeing yourself as someone who has worked for and earned acceptance will be the point where race REALLY doesn't matter.

As far as the old folks down the street? They got a free education and most of them don't mind helping the next generation. Well, as long as the school dollars are being spent to educate rather than indoctrinate PC stupidity.

34 posted on 03/24/2014 4:01:13 PM PDT by GOPJ (NASA: N othing A bout S pace A nymore - - FreperClearCase_guy)
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To: redgolum
Statist? Not really. Homeschool or send your children to a private school of your choice.

Don't you think it is odd to be against socialized medicine but for socialized education?

Voucher programs are designed to DE-SOCIALIZE education i.e. increase the number of schools that are NOT owned by the government.

I am sending my children to private school. My neighbors are still stealing my money because they do not WISH to pay for they own children.

35 posted on 03/24/2014 4:18:33 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: ALPAPilot

How is turning private schools into public a good thing? Once a private school takes money from the State, be it vouchers or other State money,the State will start to make demands. I’ve seen it way to often. If you want to keep your kids out of government schools, don’t turn the private schools into them


36 posted on 03/24/2014 5:03:45 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

You must be a statist. Thank you for having your kids brainwashed by Marxists.


37 posted on 03/24/2014 6:25:44 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: Zenjitsuman
Z:

Thomas Sowell is a great spokesman. If you don't want to read him, or what people post about him on here, ignore theposts.

38 posted on 03/24/2014 6:33:32 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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Charter schools at this point in American politics are kind of a compromise between the completely statist model public schools admired by the teachers union brass and the left-leaning politicians they support, on the one hand, and completely private models of education advocated by right libertarians, on the other.

Charter schools, especially in big cities, seem to have performed significantly better than traditional public schools, and some black parents are very aware that their children might be better off there. So all that Tom Sowell is saying is that Republicans running for office who defend charter schools staunchly against far left 'Rat opposition might likely find some critical black votes swinging toward them, enough to make the difference in close elections. As far as that goes, Sowell makes sense.

39 posted on 03/24/2014 7:06:13 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: redgolum

Public schools that have a critical mass of kids who are not interested in learning will hold back even those students that want to learn and those teachers that want to teach. Everyone is too busy catering to the lowest common denominator to actually educate anyone. Charters and private schools offer the only way out for most kids - so why is school choice a bad thing? School choice is sort of like voter ID - it’s so common sensical that it seems foolish to oppose it.


40 posted on 03/24/2014 7:21:27 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

Again I have experience in this. Once a private school takes State money, it starts to become a State school. If the government schools are so bad, why are you pushing for THE SAME thing to happen in private schools?


41 posted on 03/24/2014 7:56:51 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: ExCTCitizen

My children are going to private schools. I don’t want that to change because someone wants to have the State pay for it. Once you let State money in, the State will dictate how the school runs.


42 posted on 03/24/2014 7:59:54 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: justiceseeker93
I'm all for charter schools or whatever programs can get truly aspiring students out of public schools. But that's the problem. As Robert Weissberg details in his his book "Bad Students, Not Bad Schools," many black parents don't care about their kid's scholastic chances. Neither do many of the students. Weissberg claims that black parents who want to get their kids into charter schools or other non-public schools have a number of programs ready to help them.

The sad fact is most of the inner-city parents don't give a damn. Remember the saying about leading a horse to water. Nobody wants to bring up the IQ gap having an enormous impact on the whole thing. It's almost impossible to teach low IQ children who many times are bored and violent. That's the sad situation.

43 posted on 03/24/2014 8:17:13 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: justiceseeker93

The only person I know who I know has at least one kid in charter school is black; he’s got five kids (that I know of) and making sure they got a good education was a very high priority; he didn’t get that shot when he was that age (and we’re the same age), and grew up in a POS public school system.


44 posted on 03/24/2014 8:38:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: jazusamo

Thank you for this thread, jazusamo.

It brings out certain people...

Jesus Christ: You can’t impeach Him and He ain’t going to resign.




45 posted on 03/24/2014 9:00:29 PM PDT by rdb3 (Get out the putter, this one's on the green.)
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“Blacks voted for Hussein Obama because of skin color.”

I would say that “many” blacks voted for him because of his skin color. Most that voted for him would have voted for whatever Dem candidate there was anyway. The Dems have the black vote sewed up. Sowell’s point is to just pull a portion of that vote by appealing to the blacks that are willing to think for themselves, and in this case he used charter schools as an example of a route.

So he’s GOPe leaning, do we have to throw the baby out with the bath water? Or can we think for ourselves and consider a way, ANY WAY, to appeal to the black community in such a way, as Sowell suggests, to pull some of that vote over to the conservative side?

That he doesn’t like Cruz, Levin, or the Tea Party movement is what we should criticize, not his entire works.


46 posted on 03/25/2014 7:38:04 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
We can appeal to the black community by making it easier to start up small businesses and to be self employed. We can say that they are being replaced in the job market by illegals and other unnecessary foreign labor. We can sympathize with those whose neighborhoods are actually worse off because of hispanics moving in. We can support LOCAL schools with job training opportunities in high school.

You want to pander to them with "school choice" that solves nothing. Real conservatives who defend US citizens (who blacks mostly are) would promise that they were in line for jobs they are qualified for before non-citizens were even considered. They would oppose Spanish being used in work or commerce.

But this pandering with "school choice". All it's serving to do is destroy the good schools that still remain.

Sowell is not on our side. He and all of the other globalist lapdogs should get out of the way of constitutional conservatives.

47 posted on 03/25/2014 9:54:04 AM PDT by grania
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To: Blue Collar Christian
There is no honest way to appeal to black voters. The Republican Party used to be the party of black Americans. That was about one hundred years ago. Then FDR came along initiating the welfare state, and Pubbies started losing black voters in droves. I think Nixon was the last Pubbie to get a substantial share of the black vote with around 30% in 1960. Goldwater only got about 6% four years later. Of course, Goldwater's rejection of the 1964 Civil Rights bill hurt him and Republicans enormously. Ever since then, even though many Pubbies supported the bill and Goldwater changed his mind, the GOP has never been able to capture but a minuscule pct. of the black vote.

The only way they could get more black voters would be to transform themselves into Dem lites...i.e. rejecting all principle and pandering. I refuse to support any pandering pols, Dem or Republican. So I've written off the black voter. The typical black voter does not want to stand on his or her own two feet. The black voter loves Big Government and being a victim. That is my conclusion, and no amount of appealing to reason will win them over. Those are the sad facts.

48 posted on 03/25/2014 10:50:27 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2
There is no honest way to appeal to black voters

Not in the wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am frantic model we have today for politically campaigning to the attention span challenged.

A more sustained public relations effort would work, I believe, if it kept hammering on the theme "Who respects you more?" It would have to keep up in season and out of season. It couldn't be a here-and-gone effort.

49 posted on 03/25/2014 10:58:27 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: redgolum
Once a private school takes State money, it starts to become a State school

Not arguing the point - however the voucher programs that I have read about generally give state money to the student, not the school, so the student and family can choose a school. If this money ends up in the hands of a private Christian school with no strings attached, that's a good thing, right? Agree that strings will lead to corruption, but does it have to be that way?

50 posted on 03/25/2014 7:14:18 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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