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Biofuels do more harm than good, UN warns
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | March 23, 2014 | Robert Mendick

Posted on 03/24/2014 4:57:32 PM PDT by QT3.14

The United Nations will officially warn that growing crops to make “green” biofuel harms the environment and drives up food prices, The Telegraph can disclose.

A leaked draft of a UN report condemns the widespread use of biofuels made from crops as a replacement for petrol and diesel. It says that biofuels, rather than combating the effects of global warming, could make them worse.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: agitprop; corn; ethanol; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; greenenergy; ipcc; opec; un; unitednations
About time!
1 posted on 03/24/2014 4:57:32 PM PDT by QT3.14
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To: QT3.14

Take that, US enviroweenies.


2 posted on 03/24/2014 4:58:37 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: QT3.14

This was obvious from the start.


3 posted on 03/24/2014 5:00:58 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: QT3.14

Wow, I actually agree with the UN on something!


4 posted on 03/24/2014 5:01:18 PM PDT by TBall
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To: QT3.14

Actually, I think this reeks of oil company pr efforts. The UN is a wholly owned subsidiary of the 1% just as the US congress is.


5 posted on 03/24/2014 5:02:53 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: QT3.14
This will prompt serious strife among the greenies. What to do? What to do?
6 posted on 03/24/2014 5:02:57 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: QT3.14

Iowa is the 1st primary state. If a candidate loses badly there, it’s an uphill challenge.

My guess is they will have all the presidential candidates lined up to stand behind their corn subsidies.


7 posted on 03/24/2014 5:03:14 PM PDT by boycott
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To: QT3.14

The best biofuel is made from algae. It not only consumes carbon and nitrous oxides, but then is a pretty easy to process into biodiesel. First squeeze out the oil, then mix it with ethanol in the presence of a lye catalyst. Filter, then add 1% petroleum diesel as a preservative.


8 posted on 03/24/2014 5:03:33 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: QT3.14
This is really maddening. My local farmer says that the corn farmers make out as they play the market, too.

I didn't even buy corn on the cob this year. And I can hardly remember the last time I had a good steak.

9 posted on 03/24/2014 5:13:34 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
And I can hardly remember the last time I had a good steak.

I am becoming a vegetarian . . and not by choice. I cast furtive longing looks at the meat aisle until the prices come into focus and I trudge on.

10 posted on 03/24/2014 5:18:48 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: QT3.14

When are people going to realize that environmentalists do not care about the environment. They care about how being an environmentalist makes them feel and how it can be used to further the socialist agenda.


11 posted on 03/24/2014 5:19:23 PM PDT by rey
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To: QT3.14

OMG! I was just hit by a flying pig!


12 posted on 03/24/2014 5:20:27 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

“The best biofuel is made from algae. It not only consumes carbon and nitrous oxides, but then is a pretty easy to process into biodiesel. First squeeze out the oil, then mix it with ethanol in the presence of a lye catalyst. Filter, then add 1% petroleum diesel as a preservative.”

Agree. And, there is a huge dead zone of the stuff out in the Gulf just south of the Mississippi River estuary. I’ve been wondering for some time why this stuff isn’t being harvested.


13 posted on 03/24/2014 5:26:01 PM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
More BS from the OPEC-dominated United Nations.
...drives up food prices...
No it doesn't, $100 a barrel oil maintains high food prices, along with the price of pretty much everything else. Any nation that can't feed itself has a leftist gov't, or a regime that is corrupt in some other way, and guess what, the sooner these supposedly starving millions starve to death, the sooner their hunger problem will vanish. That would be a hard-hearted thing to say, but it isn't because food costs have nothing to do with starvation. Starvation results from policies of politicians who don't answer to us.
14 posted on 03/24/2014 5:31:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: QT3.14
The most efficient way to use bio fuels is to burn it in a power generating plant.
Any kind of processing it into another kind of fuel will take more energy than it's worth.
Algae, grass, inedible and junk plants and most of all WOOD are excellent renewable resources to boot.
But anything good enough to be economically feasible, the greens will find some reason to be against it anyway.

15 posted on 03/24/2014 5:32:32 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: snoringbear

Not all algae are equal. There are just a few select types whose oil content is around 50% or better.


16 posted on 03/24/2014 5:35:03 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: QT3.14

17 posted on 03/24/2014 5:35:43 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: QT3.14
No! Really? Are you kidding? Burning food is not a good idea for saving the environment? Who would have guessed? Besides everybody with functioning intellect above IQ 45, who else? You mean MENSA didn't have this one whipped years ago.? Huh. Goes to show you that given enough time the obvious becomes, well, obvious. Now will they be able to make the radical leap that India and China combined far outstrips the meager pollution this country may produce.
18 posted on 03/24/2014 5:36:31 PM PDT by cashless (Obama told us he would side with Muslims if the political winds shifted in an ugly direction. Ready?)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I prefer 20% biodiesel in my F250. The mileage went up about 3% when I switched, and I worry a lot less about my fuel pump and injectors knowing how much more lubricity biodiesel has.

And the fuel doesn’t stink up my hands and clothes.


19 posted on 03/24/2014 5:40:12 PM PDT by Go_Raiders (Freedom doesn't give you the right to take from others, no matter how innocent your program sounds.)
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To: QT3.14

Well, duh!


20 posted on 03/24/2014 5:47:02 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: QT3.14

Duh! Takes tax subsidies and government edicts to keep this do gooder hoax jammed down our throats. Vote it out of existence.


21 posted on 03/24/2014 5:49:09 PM PDT by Recompennation (Constitutional protection for all not ju st selectively for Democrats.)
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To: QT3.14

I have been opposed to ethanol from the start. I just don’t like the idea of having the production of fuel compete with the production of bourbon.


22 posted on 03/24/2014 5:51:01 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: QT3.14

Bought and paid for by Oil Industry worldwide
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Nobody has yet to die for a gallon of ethanol...
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23 posted on 03/24/2014 5:55:28 PM PDT by sbark
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To: Sacajaweau
My local farmer says that the corn farmers make out as they play the market, too.

Even though farming has become much more profitable in recent years (2014 may be the turnaround), very few farmers have enough money to play the markets. Most use futures markets as a required tool for marketing their crops.

Using futures as a tool is very different than playing the market, as the contracts are based on actual crop in the bin, or the estimated actual crop to be harvested.

Your farmer friend may be one of the few very wealthy who can afford to lose money in the commodity markets.

24 posted on 03/24/2014 5:56:33 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Over production, one of the top 5 worries for the American Farmer every year.)
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To: boycott

Iowa does not have a presidential primary, only a casual, non-binding preference poll during local party meetings. No candidate gets anything for winning that straw vote.


25 posted on 03/24/2014 6:02:26 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: QT3.14

Of course it’s a bad idea, but the market should decide that, not the UN.


26 posted on 03/24/2014 6:04:49 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: snoringbear

“..I’ve been wondering for some time why this stuff isn’t being harvested.”

The EPA & a half dozen other federal agencies are just waiting for someone to try.


27 posted on 03/24/2014 6:12:48 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: TBall

Yep... I’m having to rethink everything now... LOL


28 posted on 03/24/2014 6:27:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: QT3.14
Well, the UN says it so it has to be true.

Death to bio-fuel promoters!!! Earf destroyers must die.

;^)

29 posted on 03/24/2014 6:32:15 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: QT3.14

No S*_¥ Sherlock
That’s been the aurgument about ethanol bio-crap from the start!
Oh wait, is this satire?!/S


30 posted on 03/24/2014 7:00:34 PM PDT by 9422WMR (: " Tolerance is the virtue of a man who has no convictions".)
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To: jjotto

No candidate gets anything for winning that straw vote.


You’re correct. It’s not a primary. It’s a caucus.

The candidates do get something out of winning the Iowa causus. They win there and their candidacy gains momentum. Iowa and New Hampshire have more say about who our presidential nominees are going to be than any other states. In fact, it is usually long decided before I ever get a chance to cast my vote.


31 posted on 03/24/2014 7:21:57 PM PDT by boycott
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To: QT3.14
Please pull your head out of your a##. Corn for ethanol was the best thing they could come up with as a preset failure. Hemp would give the U.S. on just our marginal farm land all the bio diesel we need. It burns clean and would all be made in America without lose of any food crops. It would be no business of the U.N. and we could tell them to bugger off. And the new diesel engines get better mileage and are cleaner then gas engines. The American people have been screwed by big oil for so long they like it.
32 posted on 03/24/2014 7:34:35 PM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: Twotone

““..I’ve been wondering for some time why this stuff isn’t being harvested.”

“The EPA & a half dozen other federal agencies are just waiting for someone to try.”

Do you mean as “better not or you will be arrested”? Or, as “good, we encourage you to do this”?


33 posted on 03/25/2014 2:51:35 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: QT3.14

We’ve been pointing this out for years here at Free Republic. Glad to see the UN catching up.


34 posted on 03/25/2014 3:08:41 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: snoringbear

“Do you mean as “better not or you will be arrested”? Or, as “good, we encourage you to do this”?”

I mean as “better not or you will be arrested”. I’m sure the enviros have identified some endangered plankton out there.


35 posted on 03/25/2014 7:57:37 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Twotone

“I mean as “better not or you will be arrested”. I’m sure the enviros have identified some endangered plankton out there.”

You’re probably right. Those whack jobs won’t be satisfied till we are all riding bicycles and using outhouses. Wish we would regain both houses with bullet proof majorities and get POTUS too. And dissolve the EPA. But, guess I’m smoking rope, metaphorically speaking, lol !


36 posted on 03/25/2014 8:15:01 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: boycott

So, based on what kind of fake hype the MSM indulges in, Iowa neighborhood meetings should be cancelled? Maybe the Koch brothers and Sheldon Adelson should be prevented from making campaign contributions because there’s plenty of fake hype there too.

Let’s just go to a single-day nationwide primary where no candidate without $20 million before the process starts has a chance to be heard. That’ll show those GOP-Eers!


37 posted on 03/26/2014 4:48:12 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

Exactly. We need to be consistent. It is government intervention that causes the problem. The market kills bad ideas pretty quickly and effectively. If a bad idea can be fixed and improved the market does that as well.


38 posted on 03/26/2014 6:02:46 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: SunkenCiv

Correct. Scarcity is the steady state of nature. Human beings solve that via free market transactions. Shortages are caused by government.


39 posted on 03/26/2014 6:05:08 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: QT3.14

Yes. We know. We brought that up when idiots first started talking about using food for fuel.

Does no one value common sense any more?


40 posted on 03/26/2014 6:18:25 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: jjotto

Let’s just go to a single-day nationwide primary where no candidate without $20 million before the process starts has a chance to be heard. That’ll show those GOP-Eers!


Agree 100%.

I recently saw a list that Adelson was narrowing down on and just about got ill. He’s targeting “electable” establishment guys like Jeb Bush? Jeb? A Bush doesn’t have a chance to be elected again for at least 20 years.


41 posted on 03/26/2014 7:47:30 AM PDT by boycott
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To: 1010RD

The only sustainable economy is one based on surplus — the alternative being rationing, price-fixing, five year plans, and other single party police state tactics.


42 posted on 03/26/2014 9:30:02 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

While I do not wish to argue with such a distinguished gentlemen, the “surplus” error causes great harm to the understanding of economics and the conservative (classical liberal) cause.

The only sustainable economy is one that allows individuals to trade freely according to their preferences. Surpluses are not needed. Trade is not a zero-sum game.

See here: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2008/10/munger_on_middl.html Take a look at the highlights on that page at 8:27 for the story partially and relevant comment: “Insight: by definition the amount of stuff in the camp is fixed. All trading does is rearrange it. By definition, the quantity of material is zero-sum. If anything it gets smaller by a tiny bit by friction. On the surface, trading is a waste of time, moving stuff around. Yet every person traded in hopes of improving their lot.”

Further information is contained in the link below.

http://www.clsbe.lisboa.ucp.pt/docentes/url/jcn/ie2/0POWCamp.pdf

You will very much enjoy the story, its economic insights and, given the history from WW2 it might be worth a separate post and discussion.

You’ll see that it is preferences coupled with free trade that cause economic benefits. Surpluses aren’t required. Liberals use the “surplus” argument to push all their policies. The love zero sum and we should hate it.


43 posted on 03/26/2014 9:56:51 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Thanks for the gracious reply and the links!


44 posted on 03/26/2014 10:09:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: boycott
Iowa is the 1st primary state

Yup. And that's why we have that Ethanol crap ruining our engines.

45 posted on 03/26/2014 10:15:22 AM PDT by McGruff (They say the first casualty of war is truth)
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To: QT3.14

NOTHING is as GREEN as a gallon of GASOLINE!!!


46 posted on 03/26/2014 10:37:02 AM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: hoosierham

Honda is recalling lots of minivans due to a part in the fuel system that has corroded, perhaps? Makes me wonder if ethanol did that damage. We only put REAL gas in our vehicles. Can’t stand that ethanol crap.


47 posted on 04/01/2014 6:46:59 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Finding real 100% gasoline is a chore due to EPA regional mandates.


48 posted on 04/02/2014 8:08:29 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: hoosierham

Yes, in many states it is tough. Try the pure gas website. It isn’t always up to date, but it gives a listing of places that sell real gas in the various states. In some states, people might have to go to an airport or a marina to find real gas. We are fortunate here. Several stations sell it.


49 posted on 04/03/2014 7:51:19 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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