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House Bloomberg bill hearing Tuesday morning (MN)
GOCRA ^ | 3-24-14 | Andrew Rothman

Posted on 03/24/2014 8:48:30 PM PDT by TurboZamboni

The House version of Michael Bloomberg’s unconstitutional gun grab bill, HF3238, will be heard Tuesday morning in Rep. Paymar’s Public Safety committee.

The bill strips accused individuals of fundamental Second Amendment and property rights without due process, and imposes, practically, a gun forfeiture on such accused individuals.

In the Senate, bill author Ron Latz successfully urged his fellow DFLers on the committee to pass the bill, promising that the bill would be fixed after it was passed out of committee. This is, in the words of GOCRA co-founder and attorney David M. Gross, “backwards, upside-down, and inside out“: bills are supposed to be voted upon based on their actual, current form, not vague promises of future amendment.

The hearing starts at 10 a.m. in Room 10 of the State Office Building, next to the capitol. We recommend arriving by 7 to help guarantee a seat in the hearing room.

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TOPICS: Government; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: banglist; democrats; guncontrol; hf3238; michaelbloomberg; minnesota; mn; ronlatz

1 posted on 03/24/2014 8:48:30 PM PDT by TurboZamboni
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The last time the DFL overreached this bad they lost the House, Senate, and Governorship. This is a gun state.

Course the republicans just booted it back to them by being idiots.

2 posted on 03/24/2014 8:53:26 PM PDT by DManA
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You pro gun MN guys & gals better call your MN repr.s and tell them you are against the bill. A hundred or so citizens with NRA hats and camo showing up at the hearing would be good too.

3 posted on 03/24/2014 9:02:40 PM PDT by RicocheT (Where neither their property nor their honor is touched, most men live content, Niccolo Machiavelli)
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To: TurboZamboni

If you like your gun.. ah hell you know the rest.

4 posted on 03/24/2014 9:27:14 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The Gubment Has No Legitimacy. It needs to be Removed!)
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5 posted on 03/24/2014 10:40:04 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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6 posted on 03/24/2014 11:06:53 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: DManA

This bill is overly and intentionally broad.

“Domestic assault” can include 5th degree and could be as simple as a screaming match between roomates.

Nearly anyone can request a restraining order - in fact, many divorce attorneys use this as their initial first move
in starting divorce and custody proceedings.

I’m sure police officers will be exempt. Otherwise every PO’d soon to be ex will use this to get their law enforcement spouse off the job...can’t carry a gun for work if you can’t own one, right?

7 posted on 03/25/2014 2:54:36 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: RicocheT

Since this bill isn’t going away — we don’t have the votes to kill it — we are working with our allies AND the bill’s authors to transform it into something fair and constitutional. We’ve come a long way, and there are still more changes to come.

There’s another hearing Wednesday at 2:15 in Room 10 of the State Office Building, and if you can come to show your support for civil rights, we’d love to see you there.

The long version:

Last Thursday and today, the Minnesota Senate and House heard their separate versions of Billionaire Michael Bloomberg’s “domestic violence” bill, HF2328/SF2639.

As originally sent over from New York City, the Bloomberg bill was a disaster: it violated the due process rights, gun rights, and property rights of accused citizens. Bloomberg’s organization cynically believed that Minnesota civil rights and gun rights supporters would be afraid to touch a bill related to domestic violence. After all, who wants to stand up for wife beaters?

But that’s not what it’s about. Civil rights are for everyone — even those accused of horrendous crimes.

The fact is, state and federal law already deals with this issue. This bill is comes from a need to be seen “doing something.”

But with anti-gun-rights DFLers in key committee positions, and their party controlling the House, Senate, and governor’s office, it was inevitable that some form of the bill would pass. Facing this reality, GOCRA and our allies in the Minnesota legislature had the tough task of removing the infringements in a way that the bill’s proponents would accept.

In New York or California, this may not have been possible. But this is Minnesota, where citizens’ voices are actually heard — and listened to — and where lawmakers on both sides of the issue are willing to talk, to listen, and to find common ground.

Because of your voices, and your willingness to flood the capitol with maroon shirts to support civil rights (and probably because this is an election year), the anti-rights faction can’t simply shove a truly bad bill through. Working with our allies — and our adversaries — we were able to craft language that fully protects civil rights while making the domestic violence prevention advocates feel that they were making a difference.

In the Senate—
After making civil rights supporters wait in the hallway for more than six hours, the Bloomberg bill’s author of record, Sen. Ron Latz, made a few small but beneficial amendments to the bill on Thursday night, that limited the transfer of firearms to alleged abusers where a judge had made aspecific, narrow finding of substantial danger to the household member seeking the order.

As a result of GOCRA attorney David Gross’s testimony, and after discussion with the committee’s legal counsel, Sen. Latz inserted clarifying language that limited the order for transfer to parties who had received due process of law, not just an accusation.

As a result of our discussions, Sen. Latz also testified to the committee that he intended to support House amendments allowing for “third parties,” such as friends or family, to take physical possession of the guns ordered removed from the accused, providing an alternative to the forced confiscation and imposition of “reasonable” fees that would quickly exceed the value of the guns.

While we’re not a big fan of “we had to pass it to see what’s (going to be) in it,” Sen. Latz’s comments on the record were a good sign that there would actually be material improvements to the bill. Because lawmakers rarely make promises like this, on the record, without following through, we expect that Sen. Latz will keep the promises he made to the committee.

In the House—
The puppetmasters at Bloomberg HQ in New York City would have loved to dictate terms to the local yokels in flyover country. But Rep. Dan Schoen, the House bill’s author of record (who is not just a lawmaker, but also a professional law enforcement officer), wanted to ensure that law-abiding citizens were protected, and that due process rights were respected. He understood the concerns that we and our House allies expressed to him about the original bill.

This morning in the House committee hearing, Rep. Schoen introduced an “author’s amendment” that addressed almost all of our concerns. It respected due process rights by limiting the orders of transfer to respondents who had already gotten their day in court, and where the judge found a”credible threat” to the physical safety of the petitioner.

The amendment also gives the respondent the right to transfer the firearms to a “third party,”as Sen. Latz told the Senate committee he wanted in the bill, and limited the orders to respondents who had had their day in court.

What comes next:
There are still a few problems with the bill as passed out of the House Public Safety committee:

The bill lacks protections for the privacy of the “third party” participants
It requires the third party’s affidavit to list the guns transferred by make, model and serial number — effectively registration
(we believe that this data needs to removed, or at least placed in a sealed court record)
The bill needs to provide the respondent and third party with a reasonable period of time to comply with the order, and to provide the notarized affidavit to the court
The House bill will be heard tomorrow in the House Judiciary Committee:

HF 3238
Wednesday, March 26
2:15 pm.

House Judiciary Committee
Room 10, State Office Building

Rep. Schoen told the committee that he will have additional amendments; we are hopeful that they will address our remaining concerns.

If you can come, wear a maroon shirt (especially a GOCRA shirt), and try to arrive by about noon to ensure that you get a seat in the hearing room.

8 posted on 03/25/2014 5:48:43 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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