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Sotomayor, Kagan: Hobby Lobby Should Drop Insurance, Pay Penalty and Let Employees Use Exchange
CNS News ^ | 03/25/2014 | Penny Starr

Posted on 03/25/2014 12:27:37 PM PDT by Rusty0604

During oral arguments in the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday which focused on whether the contraceptive mandate in the Affordable Care Act violates the free exercise of religion, Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan suggested employers who have moral objections to birth control should not provide health care coverage for their employees

Chief Justice Roberts interjected that this was in opposition to what Hobby Lobby presented in its lawsuit. “I thought – I thought that part of the religious commitment of the owners was to provide health care for its employees,” Roberts said and Clements agreed. “Well, if they want to do that, they can just pay a greater salary and let the employees go in on the exchange,” Sotomayor said. The court seemed divided along ideological lines

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Louisiana; US: Texas; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: abortion; christiantax; davidvitter; deathpanels; elenakagan; hobbylobby; johncornyn; johnroberts; louisiana; mikelee; obamacare; scotus; soniasotomayor; tedcruz; texas; utah; wiselatina; zerocare
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1 posted on 03/25/2014 12:27:37 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

Traitor Roberts still is a Traitor.


2 posted on 03/25/2014 12:29:17 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Rusty0604

Kagan is an obnoxious hippo. Sotomayor better be excommunicated if she votes with the libs on this. She won’t be of course, but she should be.


3 posted on 03/25/2014 12:29:23 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Rusty0604

Gee....the two Dem appointees are agreeing with “their” Pres...

Whoda thunk it...


4 posted on 03/25/2014 12:29:46 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Rusty0604

There have always been liberals on the Court but Kagan continues to plumb new depths of embarrassment with her obvious premise of government first, last and always. She is beyond artless in her questioning.

She’s as qualified to be on the Court as I am to run the Olympic 100m.


5 posted on 03/25/2014 12:30:05 PM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The End)
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To: Rusty0604
Shouldn't she have let Secretary Sebaceous say these words as part of some amicus curiae testimony?
6 posted on 03/25/2014 12:30:22 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Rusty0604

How can you call it “free exercise” is you have to pay through the nose to exercise it?


7 posted on 03/25/2014 12:30:28 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: Paladin2

Chief Justice Roberts the NSA on line one!


8 posted on 03/25/2014 12:32:09 PM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Rusty0604
Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan suggested employers who have moral objections to birth control should not provide health care coverage for their employees

Did it ever occur to these nimrods that they could just rule that the employees should just pay for their own contraceptives?

9 posted on 03/25/2014 12:32:36 PM PDT by Go Gordon (Barack McGreevey Obama)
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To: Rusty0604
The court seemed divided along ideological lines.
Unexpected!
10 posted on 03/25/2014 12:32:36 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Rusty0604

Hmm, i wonder if it would be better in the long run if Hobby Lobby loses. Better in the sense it would drive public outrage, and increase the chance of getting of of Obamacare.


11 posted on 03/25/2014 12:35:26 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: Rusty0604

Sotomayor, her family, her staff, and her staff’s family should be mandated to be on Obamacare.


12 posted on 03/25/2014 12:35:32 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Go Gordon

All these things are available to everyone now. If you’re poor, you can go to Planned Parenthood. If you’re not poor, the cost for contraceptives is just not that costly.


13 posted on 03/25/2014 12:36:03 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Viennacon

I may be mistaken, but I thought Kagen was helping with the ACA before she became SCJ?


14 posted on 03/25/2014 12:36:17 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: relictele
She’s as qualified to be on the Court as I am to run the Olympic 100m.

By that measure, as long as you have traveled, by foot, for more than 100m in your lifetime, your are supremely more qualified than she. The real question is, what is your race, sex, religion and sexual orientation? Apparently these are important too.

15 posted on 03/25/2014 12:36:42 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: Rusty0604

Didn’t our heroic GOP Senators vote to approve both Kagan and Sotomayor?

Roberts is a disgrace. You wonder if that fool has something to hide and the Left has the pictures.


16 posted on 03/25/2014 12:37:32 PM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: Rusty0604

The Supremes are not supposed give opins on policy but rather the validity of the law and the case in hand. I don’t care what they want HL to do. Is it constitutional or not?


17 posted on 03/25/2014 12:37:48 PM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: Rusty0604

If you like your insurance, you can keep it.


18 posted on 03/25/2014 12:38:23 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Rusty0604

So I guess making someone sit in the back of the bus has always been ok?


19 posted on 03/25/2014 12:38:32 PM PDT by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: Rusty0604

The exchange stinks. No caring religious person would force that on his employees.


20 posted on 03/25/2014 12:38:35 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: MrShoop

It might help fire up the “drop employer coverage, institute single-payer” crowd.


21 posted on 03/25/2014 12:38:48 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Paladin2

[ Traitor Roberts still is a Traitor. ]

I still think that Roberts was Blackmailed over this with a standing order that he go against it and they expose whatever hidden skeletons they have found in his closet.

I think they have been running him like a puppet eversince they found dirt on him.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/18/was-justice-roberts-intimidated-into-voting-for-obamacare-senator-mike-lee-presents-the-evidence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT7cg7nWUo0


22 posted on 03/25/2014 12:39:50 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Rusty0604

Am I crazy thinking this isn’t a bad idea?

I mean, if you must be under the thumb of this law.

But this begs a question: if this new socialist law basically says everyONE must sign on for insurance (NOT care), why should a whole company be subject to this law? Isn’t it supposed to be that individuals are forced to get it?

So why would a company have to pay extortion fee for “not signing up”? Why would it as a corp have to sign in for insurance?


23 posted on 03/25/2014 12:41:31 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: oh8eleven
The court seemed divided along ideological lines
And apparently so are the churches. Why should the Court stand up for religious rights when the churches don't. Mainstream Protestants have allowed homosexuals, promiscuity, pedophilia, and other "former" sins to fester with in it's ranks. The Roman Catholic Church continues to allow politicians who espouse abortion to take communion. Most Americans don't even go to church anymore. We reap what we sow.
24 posted on 03/25/2014 12:42:47 PM PDT by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: Rusty0604

I’m sure this was not what they were asked, sounds like they want to get back to watching Oprah Couple of unprofessional busybodies.

Telling hobby lobby they are bothered with this silly problem


25 posted on 03/25/2014 12:45:03 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Rusty0604

Obama stooges: To HELL with you and your first amendment.


26 posted on 03/25/2014 12:45:09 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Go Gordon
Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan suggested employers who have moral objections to birth control should not provide health care coverage for their employees

Wow, they sure are hard up for getting people to join those exchanges. Of course nothing in their argument even remotely relates to the Constitution of the United States of America, but it goes a long way towards addressing the political ends of this White House. The Administration is woefully short of reaching its enrollment targets, so they need Hobby Lobby to help them out a bit on this one.

27 posted on 03/25/2014 12:45:32 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Sacajaweau

“If you’re poor, you can go to Planned Parenthood. If you’re not poor, the cost for contraceptives is just not that costly.”

That isn’t the point for these people.

The perception of “The Christian War against WOMEN!!!” is far more important to these liberal ideologues than who pays for a $4 contraceptive.


28 posted on 03/25/2014 12:46:23 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Rusty0604

And you two idiots should resign from the ‘Court’.


29 posted on 03/25/2014 12:47:50 PM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: MrShoop
Hmm, i wonder if it would be better in the long run if Hobby Lobby loses. Better in the sense it would drive public outrage, and increase the chance of getting of of Obamacare.

No thanks. Camel's nose and all.

30 posted on 03/25/2014 12:50:31 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Rusty0604; All

As mentioned in related threads, activist justices don’t want anybody to find out that the Supreme Court had previously clarified that the states have never delegated to Congress, via the Constitution the specific power to regulate, tax and spend for public healthcare purposes.


31 posted on 03/25/2014 12:51:10 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Rusty0604

Count on Roberts to vote agains’t HL


32 posted on 03/25/2014 12:51:42 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Rusty0604

““Well, if they want to do that, they can just pay a greater salary and let the employees go in on the exchange,” Sotomayor said. The court seemed divided along ideological lines”

No they will use the savings from not being able to offer the Health Care they wish to, to pay for the fine or tax or penalty whatever the heck they call it.

They already offered insurance that worked for them and their employees but because of Obamacare they will have to pay more for less.
Just because you are a Judge does not mean you are logical.


33 posted on 03/25/2014 12:53:20 PM PDT by funfan
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To: Hoodat

It’s not anyone’s imagination if they see the left trying to get EVERYONE dependent on government.

Rush mentioned this today - nothing makes a leftist madder than when someone avoids being in the collective.


34 posted on 03/25/2014 12:53:44 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Rusty0604
Sotomayor, Kagan: Hobby Lobby Should Drop Insurance, Pay Penalty and Let Employees Use Exchange

The court isn't there to decide solutions, only to rule on the legal aspects.

35 posted on 03/25/2014 12:54:46 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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To: Rusty0604
Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan suggested employers who have moral objections to birth control should not provide health care coverage for their employees

Good luck to any employee who does not want insurance that covers Sandra Slut's abortion, because, there is none under zerOcare.

36 posted on 03/25/2014 12:54:56 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: Rusty0604

“Well, if they want to do that, they can just pay a greater salary and let the employees go in on the exchange,”

WTF?


37 posted on 03/25/2014 12:55:58 PM PDT by Durbin
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To: MrShoop
Hmm, i wonder if it would be better in the long run if Hobby Lobby loses. Better in the sense it would drive public outrage, and increase the chance of getting of of Obamacare.

Getting rid of Obamacare is no longer enough. We now have a parasite culture that will elect MORE of these Marxists in order to get stuff through new laws. Look at how persistent this disastrous piece of garbage has been even with all that has been revealed about it.

Nothing short of civil war to restart this country and purge it of the parasites will suffice.

38 posted on 03/25/2014 12:56:47 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Viennacon

Obama put to fat dykes on the Supreme Court.

They will vote without integrity to anything but their deviancy.


39 posted on 03/25/2014 12:57:02 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: Rusty0604

Roberts said it was a tax. You cannot religiously exempt yourself from paying taxes, say, because they are used to fight wars.

But there are certain entities that are exempt from taxes, such as churches.

Unfortunately, I think Hobby Lobby loses.


40 posted on 03/25/2014 12:57:23 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Rusty0604

RE: “Well, if they want to do that, they can just pay a greater salary and let the employees go in on the exchange,” Sotomayor said

That “greater salary” has no tax benefits whatsoever to Hobby Lobby. Which means they LOSE financially.


41 posted on 03/25/2014 12:58:15 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (question is this)
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To: Rusty0604

I have a better idea...how about they don’t go on the exchange and go to Medi-Share...?

http://mychristiancare.org/


42 posted on 03/25/2014 12:59:27 PM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: mulligan

Yes. The statements made by Sotomayer prove that she is way stupid. The costs of anything have absolutely nothing to do with why HL is opposing the law.
Reminds me of meetings where I have to ‘guide’ everyone back on track. And it just irritates the heck out of me.


43 posted on 03/25/2014 12:59:39 PM PDT by sheana
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To: circlecity

How can you call it “free exercise of religion” when you have to pay a penalty to practice it?


44 posted on 03/25/2014 1:00:48 PM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Pay employee greater salary...

Pay uncle sam tax penalty for exercising your religious freedom...

Sounds like another part of the world ...hmmmm?


45 posted on 03/25/2014 1:02:34 PM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: fwdude

Strict state enforcement of the 10th amendment would do that,
but, eventually, it comes down to the “civil war” that you referred to.

Because, either the fedgov uses force to impose its will on the states, or it backs off and lets the states govern themselves. And they aren’t going to do that.

(I’ll assert here that we’ve never had a Civil War - one in which two factions are vying for control of the country’s government. The South wanted to secede and be independent.)


46 posted on 03/25/2014 1:02:37 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Rusty0604

Hobby Lobby contends it’s against their religious beliefs to provide birth control. So this idiot on the SC thinks raising the employee’s pay is not the same thing.


47 posted on 03/25/2014 1:02:46 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: MrB

I’ll agree with that assessment!

The South didn’t want to take over the North. They just wanted their freedom from ol dictator Abe...


48 posted on 03/25/2014 1:03:43 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Yup. Condomdepot.com generally has good-quality condoms, at less than $.50 each, especially once you start buying in low bulk. Not difficult. At all.


49 posted on 03/25/2014 1:04:29 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: ConservativeMan55

American Wars for Independence:

1 win, 1 loss


50 posted on 03/25/2014 1:04:31 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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