Skip to comments.Sotomayor, Kagan: Hobby Lobby Should Drop Insurance, Pay Penalty and Let Employees Use Exchange
Posted on 03/25/2014 12:27:37 PM PDT by Rusty0604
During oral arguments in the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday which focused on whether the contraceptive mandate in the Affordable Care Act violates the free exercise of religion, Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan suggested employers who have moral objections to birth control should not provide health care coverage for their employees
Chief Justice Roberts interjected that this was in opposition to what Hobby Lobby presented in its lawsuit. I thought I thought that part of the religious commitment of the owners was to provide health care for its employees, Roberts said and Clements agreed. Well, if they want to do that, they can just pay a greater salary and let the employees go in on the exchange, Sotomayor said. The court seemed divided along ideological lines
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Traitor Roberts still is a Traitor.
Kagan is an obnoxious hippo. Sotomayor better be excommunicated if she votes with the libs on this. She won’t be of course, but she should be.
Gee....the two Dem appointees are agreeing with “their” Pres...
Whoda thunk it...
There have always been liberals on the Court but Kagan continues to plumb new depths of embarrassment with her obvious premise of government first, last and always. She is beyond artless in her questioning.
She’s as qualified to be on the Court as I am to run the Olympic 100m.
How can you call it “free exercise” is you have to pay through the nose to exercise it?
Chief Justice Roberts the NSA on line one!
Did it ever occur to these nimrods that they could just rule that the employees should just pay for their own contraceptives?
Hmm, i wonder if it would be better in the long run if Hobby Lobby loses. Better in the sense it would drive public outrage, and increase the chance of getting of of Obamacare.
Sotomayor, her family, her staff, and her staff’s family should be mandated to be on Obamacare.
All these things are available to everyone now. If you’re poor, you can go to Planned Parenthood. If you’re not poor, the cost for contraceptives is just not that costly.
I may be mistaken, but I thought Kagen was helping with the ACA before she became SCJ?
By that measure, as long as you have traveled, by foot, for more than 100m in your lifetime, your are supremely more qualified than she. The real question is, what is your race, sex, religion and sexual orientation? Apparently these are important too.
Didn’t our heroic GOP Senators vote to approve both Kagan and Sotomayor?
Roberts is a disgrace. You wonder if that fool has something to hide and the Left has the pictures.
The Supremes are not supposed give opins on policy but rather the validity of the law and the case in hand. I don’t care what they want HL to do. Is it constitutional or not?
If you like your insurance, you can keep it.
So I guess making someone sit in the back of the bus has always been ok?
The exchange stinks. No caring religious person would force that on his employees.
It might help fire up the “drop employer coverage, institute single-payer” crowd.
[ Traitor Roberts still is a Traitor. ]
I still think that Roberts was Blackmailed over this with a standing order that he go against it and they expose whatever hidden skeletons they have found in his closet.
I think they have been running him like a puppet eversince they found dirt on him.
Am I crazy thinking this isn’t a bad idea?
I mean, if you must be under the thumb of this law.
But this begs a question: if this new socialist law basically says everyONE must sign on for insurance (NOT care), why should a whole company be subject to this law? Isn’t it supposed to be that individuals are forced to get it?
So why would a company have to pay extortion fee for “not signing up”? Why would it as a corp have to sign in for insurance?
I’m sure this was not what they were asked, sounds like they want to get back to watching Oprah Couple of unprofessional busybodies.
Telling hobby lobby they are bothered with this silly problem
Obama stooges: To HELL with you and your first amendment.
Wow, they sure are hard up for getting people to join those exchanges. Of course nothing in their argument even remotely relates to the Constitution of the United States of America, but it goes a long way towards addressing the political ends of this White House. The Administration is woefully short of reaching its enrollment targets, so they need Hobby Lobby to help them out a bit on this one.
“If youre poor, you can go to Planned Parenthood. If youre not poor, the cost for contraceptives is just not that costly.”
That isn’t the point for these people.
The perception of “The Christian War against WOMEN!!!” is far more important to these liberal ideologues than who pays for a $4 contraceptive.
And you two idiots should resign from the ‘Court’.
No thanks. Camel's nose and all.
As mentioned in related threads, activist justices don’t want anybody to find out that the Supreme Court had previously clarified that the states have never delegated to Congress, via the Constitution the specific power to regulate, tax and spend for public healthcare purposes.
Count on Roberts to vote agains’t HL
“Well, if they want to do that, they can just pay a greater salary and let the employees go in on the exchange, Sotomayor said. The court seemed divided along ideological lines”
No they will use the savings from not being able to offer the Health Care they wish to, to pay for the fine or tax or penalty whatever the heck they call it.
They already offered insurance that worked for them and their employees but because of Obamacare they will have to pay more for less.
Just because you are a Judge does not mean you are logical.
It’s not anyone’s imagination if they see the left trying to get EVERYONE dependent on government.
Rush mentioned this today - nothing makes a leftist madder than when someone avoids being in the collective.
The court isn't there to decide solutions, only to rule on the legal aspects.
Good luck to any employee who does not want insurance that covers Sandra Slut's abortion, because, there is none under zerOcare.
Well, if they want to do that, they can just pay a greater salary and let the employees go in on the exchange,
Getting rid of Obamacare is no longer enough. We now have a parasite culture that will elect MORE of these Marxists in order to get stuff through new laws. Look at how persistent this disastrous piece of garbage has been even with all that has been revealed about it.
Nothing short of civil war to restart this country and purge it of the parasites will suffice.
Obama put to fat dykes on the Supreme Court.
They will vote without integrity to anything but their deviancy.
Roberts said it was a tax. You cannot religiously exempt yourself from paying taxes, say, because they are used to fight wars.
But there are certain entities that are exempt from taxes, such as churches.
Unfortunately, I think Hobby Lobby loses.
RE: Well, if they want to do that, they can just pay a greater salary and let the employees go in on the exchange, Sotomayor said
That “greater salary” has no tax benefits whatsoever to Hobby Lobby. Which means they LOSE financially.
I have a better idea...how about they don’t go on the exchange and go to Medi-Share...?
Yes. The statements made by Sotomayer prove that she is way stupid. The costs of anything have absolutely nothing to do with why HL is opposing the law.
Reminds me of meetings where I have to ‘guide’ everyone back on track. And it just irritates the heck out of me.
How can you call it “free exercise of religion” when you have to pay a penalty to practice it?
Pay employee greater salary...
Pay uncle sam tax penalty for exercising your religious freedom...
Sounds like another part of the world ...hmmmm?
Strict state enforcement of the 10th amendment would do that,
but, eventually, it comes down to the “civil war” that you referred to.
Because, either the fedgov uses force to impose its will on the states, or it backs off and lets the states govern themselves. And they aren’t going to do that.
(I’ll assert here that we’ve never had a Civil War - one in which two factions are vying for control of the country’s government. The South wanted to secede and be independent.)
Hobby Lobby contends it’s against their religious beliefs to provide birth control. So this idiot on the SC thinks raising the employee’s pay is not the same thing.
I’ll agree with that assessment!
The South didn’t want to take over the North. They just wanted their freedom from ol dictator Abe...
Yup. Condomdepot.com generally has good-quality condoms, at less than $.50 each, especially once you start buying in low bulk. Not difficult. At all.
American Wars for Independence:
1 win, 1 loss