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Mom of transgender child wants ID rules changed
CBC News ^ | March 25, 2014 | Bonnie Allen

Posted on 03/25/2014 3:44:18 PM PDT by Loyalist

The mother of a transgender child wants the Saskatchewan government to remove any record of a person's sex on birth certificates.

Fran Forsberg has filed a complaint to Saskatchewan's Human Rights Commission on behalf of her six-year-old child, Renn, after the province's Vital Statistics Agency refused to change Renn's sex designation from "Male" to "Female" on the youngster's birth records.

Renn was born with male genitalia but has identified as a girl since the age of three. According to the Canadian Pediatric Society, children establish their gender identity between 18 to 30 months. When Forsberg sought to change Renn's birth record, she submitted reports from a physician and psychologist confirming that Renn identifies as a female. The Vital Statistics Agency, however, was not moved.

In Saskatchewan, Forsberg learned a resident can only change the sex designation on a birth certificate after undergoing sex reassignment surgery, a requirement that is considered discriminatory in the province of Ontario.

"We used to have race on our birth certificates — also, what your father did for a living. It's irrelevant," Forsberg told CBC News. "What I would like to see is for gender to be removed completely from birth certificates."

The Forsberg family first realized that Renn, six, didn't feel like a boy inside when she started self-harming about three years ago. Renn would bang her head against the wall unless she was allowed to wear girls' clothing and be called a girl.

Today, her older sister, Krista, 11, likes to help Renn pick her outfits, ranging from black sequin halter dresses to pink frilly gowns. Renn is also allowed to use the girl's bathroom at her elementary school.

"We think people should accept other people for who they are, and not judge them for who they're not," Krista said.

The Forsbergs decided to go public with their campaign, arguing that staying quiet only adds to stigma and discrimination.

"I want people to understand that my kids do not have an issue with their gender or their gender expression," Forsberg said. "It is society's issue."

Changes made in Ontario

Forsberg said that when the gender marker — M or F — on a birth certificate, driver's licence, or passport doesn't match one's physical presentation, it triggers confusion and discrimination.

The Ontario government changed its legislation after the province's Human Rights Tribunal ruled that it's discriminatory to require transgender people to undergo surgery before changing the sex designation on their birth certificates in a decision in 2012.

While the change was celebrated as the first legislation of its kind in Canada, many were not satisfied because it doesn't apply to children under 18 and a person must still present a doctor's note that verifies their gender identity.

The B.C. government is now poised to pass similar legislation regarding its records, after pressure from Harriette Cunningham, 10, who was born a boy but identifies as a girl.

The proposed B.C. legislation falls short of Cunningham's request that gender markers be removed entirely from government-issued ID.

'M' and 'F' add nothing to passports, lawyer says

While birth certificates fall under provincial jurisdiction, they're required for passports issued by the federal government.

Barbara Findlay, a lawyer from Vancouver, has launched a legal challenge to have M and F removed from passports. She reasons that compared to photographs and other biometric security features, a gender marker adds little information.

"If you're going to use a document for identification purposes, and it has photograph on it, a gender marker adds nothing," Findlay said. Since 2011, Australia has allowed citizens to mark an "X" for gender on their passport, rather than "M" or "F." New Zealand followed suit. And in 2013, a new law in Germany allows parents of intersex infants to leave their gender unstated, or "blank," on birth certificates.

Forsberg family is united

At the Forsberg home, Renn's siblings, Tana and Krista, say they've been taught to stand up for themselves and be proud of who they are.

Renn's big brother, Tana, 9, isn't transgender but likes to experiment with girl's clothing. He wears costumes and wigs to church and once entered a drag queen competition. He has also posed as a girl on posters and billboards for the "Pink Revolution" campaign, which is intended to educate people about different gender presentations.

Tana said he has learned to defend himself at school. "Somebody walked up to me and said, 'Are you a girl or a gay boy?' I said, 'Does it really matter?'" he told CBC News.

Their mother said it is important to foster a healthy self-esteem in her children.

According to the Public Health Agency of Canada, an estimated 20 to 30 per cent of transgender youth have attempted suicide.

Forsberg said filing the human rights complaint is part of making systematic change.

"I don't want my kids to think that they have something to hide or that they have something to be ashamed about, because they don't," she said. "And people who are unkind to children like this, they're the ones who should be ashamed and hiding."


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: childabuse; sex; transgender
Renn was born with male genitalia but has identified as a girl since the age of three.

No, he hasn't. His crazy mother has probably observed some silly behaviour and interpreted it this way, but he is still a boy.

Renn's big brother, Tana, 9, isn't transgender but likes to experiment with girl's clothing. He wears costumes and wigs to church and once entered a drag queen competition. He has also posed as a girl on posters and billboards for the "Pink Revolution" campaign, which is intended to educate people about different gender presentations.

This boy is being twisted around by one very sick mother as a political prop, and he and his brother are going to be in for a world of pain and suffering as they get older and suffer the inevitable psychological problems associated with their upbringing.

At the heart of all this nonsense is an incredibly arrogant wilfulness: demanding that if one's wishes do not accord to reality, reality must change.

1 posted on 03/25/2014 3:44:18 PM PDT by Loyalist
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To: Loyalist

This is child abuse. A saner age would have identified it as such.


2 posted on 03/25/2014 3:46:06 PM PDT by livius
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To: Loyalist

has identified as the other sex since the age of THREE!?

I’m sorry, but Child Protective Services needs to pay this family a visit...


3 posted on 03/25/2014 3:46:58 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: Loyalist

And I want to be the Emperor of North America. When is my coronation?


4 posted on 03/25/2014 3:48:13 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: faithhopecharity

[ has identified as the other sex since the age of THREE!?

I’m sorry, but Child Protective Services needs to pay this family a visit... ]

No, CPS is too busy keeping children with real physical health issues imprisoned in the state of Massachusetts


5 posted on 03/25/2014 3:49:46 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: livius

You are exactly right. Child Abuse. These people should not be allowed to have any more kids.


6 posted on 03/25/2014 3:50:37 PM PDT by Tamatoa (Fight for our America, Fight for our Country I fought to defend!!!)
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To: Army Air Corps
From the people who brought us Justin Bieber...

Like a transgendered child
We were born
Born to be wild

7 posted on 03/25/2014 3:51:32 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Loyalist

Not a Canadian situation here ...

On US birth certificates ...

Can one get the parent’s SSN redacted from a child’s b/c ?

They started putting them on and this is just another loose end in the identity theft world.

Even after age 18 can it be done?


8 posted on 03/25/2014 3:51:37 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: Loyalist

Just put checkmarks on the b/c. One for penis and one for pussy. Warning: Do not check both.


9 posted on 03/25/2014 3:52:58 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: Loyalist

The kids in this family will end up drug addled and with massive psychological problems when they hit their teens. What kind of church lets kids dress up like this? The United Church of Pedophilia?


10 posted on 03/25/2014 3:53:22 PM PDT by struggle
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To: Loyalist

11 posted on 03/25/2014 3:54:32 PM PDT by struggle
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To: Loyalist

The mother is pressuring the state to alter historical records to effectively hide her crimes of child abuse.


12 posted on 03/25/2014 3:57:09 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Loyalist

Child abuse. The mother should be jailed


13 posted on 03/25/2014 3:57:31 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Loyalist

Child abuse. The mother should be jailed


14 posted on 03/25/2014 3:57:32 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Loyalist

Until when, or if, the “child” becomes an adult and is surgically changed to whatever the gender du jour, legal documents identifying he or she should reflect the gender they were born with, not what Mom wants it to be. Stupid woman.


15 posted on 03/25/2014 3:59:20 PM PDT by fivecatsandadog
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To: struggle

I give up. What is it?


16 posted on 03/25/2014 4:00:39 PM PDT by fivecatsandadog
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To: Loyalist
This is so sickening. No child should be allowed to "identify" as a different gender than the way they were born.

Three years old! When I was three years old, I wore whatever my mother put on me. I could have worn a dress and wouldn't even know what it meant.

This is criminal and this child is going to have a very rough life.

17 posted on 03/25/2014 4:00:50 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: fivecatsandadog

The mother named the kid Renn. The pic is Ren from “Ren and Stimpy” a 90’s kids show.


18 posted on 03/25/2014 4:02:42 PM PDT by struggle
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To: Loyalist

Why would a Freak who didn’t care enough about raising a child to the most minimal standard of normalcy - care so greatly about a letter on a piece of paper filed away in desk somewhere?


19 posted on 03/25/2014 4:02:49 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: livius

This is child abuse. A saner age would have identified it as such.”

...what you said! X’s 2!


20 posted on 03/25/2014 4:07:12 PM PDT by albie
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To: Loyalist

Until DNA can be changed, on the inside you are what you are born. No matter what is taken off or added to your body.


21 posted on 03/25/2014 4:07:15 PM PDT by zlala (Thank you for the ultimate sacrifice Capt. Aaron R. Blanchard, KIA 4-23-13, Pul-E-Alam, Afghanistan.)
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To: Loyalist
"We think people should accept other people for who they are, and not judge them for who they're not," Krista said.
I am rejecting them for who they.
22 posted on 03/25/2014 4:08:54 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Loyalist

Liberal child raising..this kid is screwed up for LIFE


23 posted on 03/25/2014 4:09:32 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Loyalist

There’s no father mentioned. It sounds like this is a mother determined to force her sons to be girls.


24 posted on 03/25/2014 4:09:40 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Nothing is more serious than our sins, which can destroy us forever." ~Msgr. Pope)
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To: Loyalist
"We think people should accept other people for who they are, and not judge them for who they're not," Krista said.

??? The kid's a boy. Biological reality that can be tested and scientifically verified doesn't count as objective truth, but what falsehood one might be convinced of in his own mind, well now that's reality? Feelings and delusions - all the proof that need present itself.

How long before someone self identifies as a dog, and then it (or its "owner") sues pet groomers for discrimination?

A while back on FR was an article about a weirdo acting as if he/she were a dog, with the roommate as its keeper, but the freaks hadn't yet taken it to the level of lawsuits. When society gets to the point where anything goes, the countdown clock has about run out.

25 posted on 03/25/2014 4:13:02 PM PDT by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Loyalist

When I was three I “identified” as our dog. I grew out of it though. By the time I was six I “identified” as a cowboy.


26 posted on 03/25/2014 4:18:42 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: struggle

Ok. Thanks. I guess my kids were a little older, doing other things back then.


27 posted on 03/25/2014 4:26:10 PM PDT by fivecatsandadog
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To: George from New England

What if the kid is a hermaphrodite?


28 posted on 03/25/2014 4:26:39 PM PDT by NathanR
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To: Loyalist

It is a chromo....... xyx chromosones


29 posted on 03/25/2014 4:29:15 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Loyalist

So if he and she are off the table, does she call her kid an it? Does she call herself an it?


30 posted on 03/25/2014 4:31:43 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Loyalist
"We think people should accept other people for who they are, and not judge them for who they're not," Krista said.

Gee, reality sucks, doesn't it? I think people should accept other people for who AND WHAT they REALLY are, and not for what or who those people imagine themselves to be or wish to be.

31 posted on 03/25/2014 4:32:15 PM PDT by fivecatsandadog
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To: Loyalist

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104426/scramble-its-brains-or-vacuum-it-out


32 posted on 03/25/2014 4:35:12 PM PDT by montag813
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To: faithhopecharity

Tell me about it, this is totally insane. A kid could be playing around with his sister playing with Barbie dolls or the sister dresses him up for fun and mommy decides he needs a sex change? WHAT? What the hell does a kid know about sex at that age? This is beyond child abuse, this is forcing the kid to commit suicide when he grows up. Gee thanks a lot mom.


33 posted on 03/25/2014 4:37:21 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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“His crazy mother has probably observed some silly behaviour and interpreted it this way, but he is still a boy.”

Absolutely! She’s encouraged him and is now pushing an agenda.

My grand baby is 2-1/2 and says she’s gonna marry me. The next day, she’s gonna marry the dog. It’s the adorable innocence of a child and nothing more.


34 posted on 03/25/2014 4:38:24 PM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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“According to the Canadian Pediatric Society, children establish their gender identity between 18 to 30 months.”

Quacks.


35 posted on 03/25/2014 4:40:59 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Loyalist

Renn is mentally ill.


36 posted on 03/25/2014 4:48:33 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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"What I would like to see is for gender to be removed completely from birth certificates."

This is a perfectly sane and excellent idea. Instead of "male" or "female", Birth certificates will now list the chromosome content of the person. Thanks for thinking up this idea!

37 posted on 03/25/2014 4:49:00 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Loyalist

Tyranny of the depraved idiots.


38 posted on 03/25/2014 4:52:22 PM PDT by Gamecock (Atheists: “There is no God and I hate Him.”)
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To: struggle

I miss that Cartoon Ren and Stimpy


39 posted on 03/25/2014 4:52:46 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Loyalist
According to the Canadian Pediatric Society, children establish their gender identity between 18 to 30 months.

What a steaming pantload.

40 posted on 03/25/2014 4:56:34 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Loyalist
"What I would like to see is for gender to be removed completely from birth certificates."


41 posted on 03/25/2014 4:57:32 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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There’s no father mentioned. It sounds like this is a mother determined to force her sons to be girls.

Mother is probably living with another female.

42 posted on 03/25/2014 4:57:58 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Loyalist

The boy should be removed from the care of his mother who obviously has some mental issues to work through.


43 posted on 03/25/2014 4:59:04 PM PDT by TheDon (Californians are losing their right to keep and bear firearms one firearm at a time.)
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To: fivecatsandadog
Until when, or if, the “child” becomes an adult and is surgically changed to whatever the gender du jour, legal documents identifying he or she should reflect the gender they were born with, not what Mom wants it to be.

CSI Miami did a show where they were desperately searching for a perp an eyewitness had identified, but the DNA evidence was of the other sex. Same thing here. DNA doesn't change, no matter what kind of surgery.

44 posted on 03/25/2014 5:00:36 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Albion Wilde

The authors, I’m sure, made a conscious choice not to provide this information.


45 posted on 03/25/2014 5:07:57 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Nothing is more serious than our sins, which can destroy us forever." ~Msgr. Pope)
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To: Loyalist

God help us! Screwing up the mind of a child. The left have completely given themselves over the satan.

Luke 17:2

It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin.


46 posted on 03/25/2014 5:22:46 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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There’s no father mentioned. It sounds like this is a mother determined to force her sons to be girls.

My thoughts exactly. I've read a few stories like this lately. Mothers who wanted girls but got boys, turning the boys into girls. The ultimate in selfishness. And Hitchcock-level twisted.

47 posted on 03/25/2014 5:35:11 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: billorites; All
Geez! WHO LET HELEN THOMAS BREED?


48 posted on 03/25/2014 6:32:28 PM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: struggle

Close, but it is officially called the United Church of Canada. Most likely mama and the boy/girl attend the UCC, when they attend. The UCC used to focus more on the ‘social’ gospel rather than evangelising. Unfortunately, it was taken over from within by socialists in the 1950’s and they now preach the ‘socialist’ gospel (at least corporately), God’s will being a VERY distant second, or third, or fourth.

They chose to allow homosexual preachers in the early ‘80s and were the first to marry homosexuals. They are so far from the Gospel that many preachers have condemned Israel from the pulpit and corporately, they condemn Israel.

Whatever is the latest trend among the ‘fellow travelers’, you can bet the UCC corporate will jump on the bandwagon. That said, there are still some UCCs that preach the Gospel. The ‘test’ seems to be, if the church is ‘making money’, it can preach the Gospel. If it is costing UCC corporate, a ‘socialist’ gospel ‘preacher is sent to the church.


49 posted on 03/25/2014 9:32:46 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian ( I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: Loyalist

Mom, you have a mentally ill or seriously confused child. You probably caused or contributed to the illness or confusion. Get the kid REAL HELP!


50 posted on 03/26/2014 8:23:58 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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